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Reply #15 - Sep 10th, 2011 at 1:10am
 
I agree with lack of tension. Many people try to put power into their shot by spreading up the windup. In reality all this does is to screw up your tension and windup. Put your back into it and sway your hips with it. You'll feel the difference, feel more power, and maintain better control for the increase in power.
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Reply #16 - Sep 10th, 2011 at 4:05am
 

Try a temporary weave across your pouch strands and see if that cures it. Spin gently using only the wrist holding it as far back as you can, then drive straight forward as the sling crosses in front of you.

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Reply #17 - Sep 10th, 2011 at 12:03pm
 
Bill Skinner wrote on Sep 9th, 2011 at 7:54pm:
You may be trying to get too much force into the throw, that is what is causing the different speeds in the rotation.  Look at some of Jaegoors' videos, he looks like he is slinging in slow motion, notice the rocks shattering when they hit the target.  He is very smooth, with no wasted motion or energy.  When you start the heliocopter, the tendancy is to jerk the throw forward, that causes the pause CA was talking about.  Slow your rotation down and just try to lob the shot, power and accuracy will come.  Bill

This is very good advice.  Also it's important to do as David says and spin using just your wrist, not your arm.
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Reply #18 - Sep 11th, 2011 at 5:17am
 
Rat Man wrote on Sep 10th, 2011 at 12:03pm:
Bill Skinner wrote on Sep 9th, 2011 at 7:54pm:
You may be trying to get too much force into the throw, that is what is causing the different speeds in the rotation.  Look at some of Jaegoors' videos, he looks like he is slinging in slow motion, notice the rocks shattering when they hit the target.  He is very smooth, with no wasted motion or energy.  When you start the heliocopter, the tendancy is to jerk the throw forward, that causes the pause CA was talking about.  Slow your rotation down and just try to lob the shot, power and accuracy will come.  Bill

This is very good advice.  Also it's important to do as David says and spin using just your wrist, not your arm.


I'm going to have to respectfully disagree there.  In my experience, the arm is crucial for helicopter, without it you get no power, but if you rotate too much with the arm, or it's not smooth and consistent, the throw will fall apart.  Also, you have to get the number of rotations correct.  People differ on how many is right, so you have to figure it out for yourself.  I use two.  One rotation always makes my throws sloppy and weak and if I do more than two, I feel like I'm wasting energy.
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Reply #19 - Sep 11th, 2011 at 7:03am
 
Multiple rotations don't necessarily build up energy (though Yurek clearly does that), but they allow you to get a feel for the stone's weight and how it handles-- very important for accuracy (is this is "whoomph" stone or a "whiiissh" stone, if you see what I mean).
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Reply #20 - Sep 12th, 2011 at 5:08am
 
Thearos wrote on Sep 11th, 2011 at 7:03am:
Multiple rotations don't necessarily build up energy (though Yurek clearly does that), but they allow you to get a feel for the stone's weight and how it handles-- very important for accuracy (is this is "whoomph" stone or a "whiiissh" stone, if you see what I mean).


Multiple rotations definitely do not build up energy unless there is an increase in the pouch/stone speed. It's not like winding up some big clockwork device; slings are not energy storage devices the way bows and even slingshots are. For any given projectile the only variable is speed. The faster you get it going the more energy it has.
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Reply #21 - Sep 12th, 2011 at 5:45am
 
Yes, Yurek (and also Beduin shepherds) spin faster and faster, until a burst of speed leading to release-- very recognizable, yet difficult to imitate.
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Reply #22 - Sep 12th, 2011 at 6:36am
 
Thearos wrote on Sep 12th, 2011 at 5:45am:
Yes, Yurek (and also Beduin shepherds) spin faster and faster, until a burst of speed leading to release-- very recognizable, yet difficult to imitate.


I remember seeing a YT video of some Bedouin boys slinging a couple of years or so ago. Have you seen this or other vids? Perhaps you have seensuch slingers in person during your trips to the Middle East?
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Reply #23 - Sep 12th, 2011 at 6:40am
 
We're talking about the same vid-- which is now been taken down. I travelled a bit around Turkey, but never had the chance of seeing a shepherd sling (though I did meet a few shepherds-- pretty hardbitten types !)
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Reply #24 - Sep 12th, 2011 at 6:42am
 
A quicker one rotate does not give any more power.

At least not with a Classic Overhand.

However, the rotor determines then shot corner of the stone.

And by rotating the shot becomes softer.
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Reply #25 - Sep 12th, 2011 at 6:56am
 
Jaegoor wrote on Sep 12th, 2011 at 6:42am:
A quicker one rotate does not give any more power.

At least not with a Classic Overhand.

However, the rotor determines then shot corner of the stone.

And by rotating the shot becomes softer.


In all multiple rotation styles the initial rotations give only a small percentage of the ultimate release velocity, the majority comes from the final forward thrust. However some people seem to be under the impression that many initial rotations somehow store extra energy. There's one video on YouTube where the slinger does 17 overhead rotations before discharging his sling - totally pointless.
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Reply #26 - Sep 12th, 2011 at 8:17am
 
Yep, I was recently teaching my nephew and brother in law how to sling.  They both wound it up like mad, believing that the more you wound it the harder and better the shot.  They actually did resemble helicopters.  I expected them to leave the ground at any time. 
    Slinging is a lot like bowling.  The power comes from proper form; using your entire body correctly, right down to your toes.  Arm strength has little to do with it.   Just as with bowling, using too much arm can cost you some power and a lot of accuracy.
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Reply #27 - Sep 12th, 2011 at 10:14am
 
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The rotor moves then stone into movement.
Thereby he is lighter to shoot.

Like a heavy cupboard. If one tries to push this one needs at the beginning of a lot of strength. If he moves, however, one needs only very little strength around in to move further.
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Reply #28 - Sep 12th, 2011 at 11:52am
 
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Reply #29 - Sep 12th, 2011 at 11:56am
 
     Thunder Chief, I find that rotating with my arm instead of my wrist causes me to be more apt to loose the projectile prematurely.  This is true with helicopter also.  This of course doesn't mean that one of us is right and the other wrong, only that we're different, which is how it goes with slinging. 
     As far as the number of rotations, I'm quite comfortable using Byzantine, which is just one rotation, or sometimes I'll rotate eight or nine times, not to build up power, but just to sort of get a feel for things and check things out. I'm feeling the weight of the stone in the pouch, aiming, going through the entire motion of the shot in my head, etc..  only the last rotation has any steam on it.  Apache, with no rotations, is always an option also. 
     It's necessary for me to shift between the different styles and variations of the different styles because I sling on the fly, with the Huskies in tow.  I'm always coming across different obstacles that force me to alter my shot to sling around, over, or under  them.  I believe that this is good for my overall slinging.
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