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Aug 6th, 2011 at 5:23am
 

I have just started chucking my 12" Cold Steel 'True Flight' throwing knife. Vastly easier than the crummy cheap little things I tried as a kid. From the handle, one full turn at three paces and it slams into the target point first. Great fun Smiley
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Reply #1 - Aug 6th, 2011 at 11:41am
 
Most everyone who throws knives learns that the bigger the better....   I have a pair of 14" "blazing arrow" knockoffs (sold by the estimable "Bud K.") which are quite good.  Just slabs of stainless steel but that's all you need.

There are people who can throw small blades with precision, but I suspect they are rare.  I knew a fellow in the army who had actually worked in a carny with a pro knife thrower.  He was pretty amazing.   We were buying those cheap Pakistani-made "Ghurka" knives in Germany and he could not only throw those oddly-bent blades but also the little accessory knives that came with them.
Those things were only about three inches long.  He sharpened them up and could pin a playing card to the wall if you let it slide.....
One of those physically-small guys with lightning reflexes.
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Reply #2 - Aug 12th, 2011 at 10:27am
 
I throw hawks and knives as well.  Other than rocks, they're probably my favorite things to throw.  I actually won a couple of competitions in a Frontiersmen organization with which I'm involved.  We go the whole nine yards with buckskin, muzzleloaders, hawks, knives, pelts, etc.  It's a lot of fun to leave modern amenities behind and just be in the wild outdoors like the days of long ago.

I usually throw my hawk at six paces, and my knife at five.  These distances allow for a full rotation of each respectively without the need to flick the wrist.  I prefer not to whip it and force the rotation, but rather release it.  The throws are still very powerful because you're using the strength of your entire arm and not just your wrist. 

I would be extremely careful throwing at three paces.  I once saw a guy (at a Frontiersmen camp) throw a knife from 5-6 paces, and the knife ricocheted off the wood target and cut his arm to pieces.  He had to get a lot of stitches, and if he hadn't put his hand up, it would have been his face...and that was from 5-6 paces.  Anyway, that was the only time I saw it happen like that, but it was enough to get me to make sure I stand back.

I've also had stones bounce back after I hit my target.  Several times I've hit one of my targets during my demonstration at the Passion Play and the rock hit the tree perfectly and came back almost to me.  This particular target is 30-35 feet away from me, and one time I hit it so perfectly that I was almost able to catch the stone.  It hit just a couple of feet short of my hand!
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Reply #3 - Aug 12th, 2011 at 11:10am
 
I'm involved wiyh Buckskinning as well, David. So I know what you mean about knife and hawk throwing. Lots of fun.

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Reply #4 - Aug 28th, 2011 at 1:26pm
 
I read an article by Warren "Hawk" Boughton (I think) in one of the "Buckskinning" series a long time ago about how to throw a tomahawk and a knife. According to him, they should measure the distance from your elbow to the knuckle at the base of your middle finger, and weigh 1 ounce for every inch. I've tried his method, and it worked like a charm.

As a matter of fact, I bought my first 'hawk when I lived in Indiana. Walked outside the stoor, paced off the distance to the target stump (about 30 feet), and threw like he said to. Stuck dead center the first time, and I was hooked. I'm now working on a throwing knife to match my 'hawk.

I've learned there's no point to making a fancy throwing knife. It's going to get banged up a lot. And ALWAYS buy extra 'hawk handles!

I now go to the Portneuf Rendevous every year and throw tomahawks, knives, and atlatls.
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Reply #5 - Aug 29th, 2011 at 10:53am
 
Bikewer wrote on Aug 6th, 2011 at 11:41am:
Most everyone who throws knives learns that the bigger the better....   I have a pair of 14" "blazing arrow" knockoffs (sold by the estimable "Bud K.") which are quite good.  Just slabs of stainless steel but that's all you need.


I throw as well, I use cheap things I bought at a flea market, but they work. A friend of mine in the SCA made some throwing knives, and ya its just like you describe, three slabs of stainless ground down to semi sharp. They fly like a dream though and when they stick in a target they stick solid.
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Reply #6 - Aug 29th, 2011 at 11:24pm
 
I've always wanted to find one of those frontiersman gatherings. they always seemed like they'd be a lot of fun. i kinda gave up on wanting to throw knives myself though. never really was very good at it. but that's where slinging comes in.  Grin
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Reply #7 - Aug 30th, 2011 at 1:56pm
 
B-ri_1864 wrote on Aug 29th, 2011 at 11:24pm:
I've always wanted to find one of those frontiersman gatherings. they always seemed like they'd be a lot of fun. i kinda gave up on wanting to throw knives myself though. never really was very good at it. but that's where slinging comes in.  Grin


Knife throwing takes a lot of practice to get good at it. I had a thrown weapons expert work with me for 20 minutes trying to get me to successfully throw from the hilt before giving up and telling me just throw from the blade, and since I did that I have gotten half decent.
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Reply #8 - Aug 31st, 2011 at 6:49pm
 
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tell me please you grip at what space of knife for perfect target penetration, i mean to say at middle part of knife or at bottom.


Absolute Rule is this: It depends.

Hold the lighter end of the knife. If it's heavier in the blade, hold the handle. If it's heavier in the handle, hold the blade. Most of your larger throwing knives will be heavier in the blade.

Hope that helps.
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Reply #9 - Jan 28th, 2012 at 9:58am
 
Kjev wrote on Aug 31st, 2011 at 6:49pm:
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tell me please you grip at what space of knife for perfect target penetration, i mean to say at middle part of knife or at bottom.


Absolute Rule is this: It depends.

Hold the lighter end of the knife. If it's heavier in the blade, hold the handle. If it's heavier in the handle, hold the blade. Most of your larger throwing knives will be heavier in the blade.

Hope that helps.


Well said, Kjev. And true!

I've been throwing since about 1960. Screwdrivers to bayonets, they all work well. Machetes take a little more care to learn so that they don't butterfly in flight.

How you hold the knife for penetration is up to how far you stand from the target.
Lets assume you have a Peckerstan Bowie with a 10" blade:
5 feet = 1/2 rotation (180*): hold by blade.
10 feet = 1 full rotation (360* or 361* in leap years): Hold by tang end.
all other distances will be divisible into those two methods.

If you learn only to throw by the handle you will not be able to stick it at the tip distances. Duh!

I will assume that you should be told to not use a sharp edged knife so you don't slice the crap out of your hand, but when you grip the blade, allow the edge to lay against your palm so that the tip is against that crease below your pinkie finger. Then, when you release it, let it slide out. DO NOT TRY TO IMPART ROTATION. Let natural rotation take place. You natural throwing motion is all you need for the blade to rotate.

For a really good video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzbrIhwGLQM
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Reply #10 - Jan 28th, 2012 at 10:51am
 
With a blade-thrown knife, it's possible to adjust the grip on the knife to accommodate distance.     (to a degree)

Let's say you're standing 12 feet from the target, and gripping the knife about halfway down the blade.  It isn't "quite" sticking, it's not rotating quite enough.  If you shift your grip about 1/4" down (towards the tip), it will turn over a little quicker. 
Likewise, if it's over-rotating, you can slide your grip "up" towards the handle and slow it down a bit.

These adjustments are quite small; I too had one of those original "pro-throw" knives that the CS product is based on (back in the 70s!).  As I recall, about 1/4" of movement on the blade equated to about 1 foot of distance from the target.

Naturally, there's a point of vanishing returns.  You get to the point where there's no more blade...
Then, you go back down to the tip and start over, this time with your knife doing two turns instead of one.

Back when I was younger, I was able to make some successful throws at about 50 feet this way, painfully figuring out how the knife was hitting (hard to see at that distance!)
However, knives thrown at long distance have really bad aerodynamics, and tend to "windplane" rather badly.  That is, they start rotating in the other direction.
Maybe one of those CS "Torpedo" things would be more stable, if you were strong enough to throw one so far.
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Reply #11 - Feb 11th, 2012 at 4:09pm
 
I have a question.  I've only tried knife throwing a few times and know little about it.  I've seen several people on youtube use the "no spin" method like this:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji1nBmcKuoo
To an observer like myself this method seems to be the most logical because you don't have to worry about how many paces from your target you are.  Obviously there's a flaw in this reasoning or everyone would be using this no spin method.  So what's wrong with it?  Why wouldn't you use this method?
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Reply #12 - Feb 11th, 2012 at 4:51pm
 
I believe I have a video that will answer your question. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ190cRi0vU&feature=related
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Reply #13 - Feb 12th, 2012 at 6:45am
 
Rat Man wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 4:09pm:
I have a question.  I've only tried knife throwing a few times and know little about it.  I've seen several people on youtube use the "no spin" method like this:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji1nBmcKuoo
To an observer like myself this method seems to be the most logical because you don't have to worry about how many paces from your target you are.  Obviously there's a flaw in this reasoning or everyone would be using this no spin method.  So what's wrong with it?  Why wouldn't you use this method?
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Why wouldn't you use the non-spin?
For myself, I find that the natural action of the arm imparts a natural rotation to the knife.
A non-rotating blade is subject to catching air if it is not presented exactly right. A blade that catches the air will flutter ("butterfly") and go off target and probably strike flat-on. Tip-to-grip axis is the easiest way for a knife to rotate and fluttering will cause it.
However, I also find that, for me, a end-over-end rotation with the blade edge on to the direction of flight will help the blade to stay stabil in flight and therefore accurate to your aim.


Some blades are made for non-rotational flight, like a dart, most are not but are flat and require edge-on rotation to fly right.

MY Un-humble opinion based on more years of experiance than most of you have lived yet.
I have scars in my hand from a knife throwing routine My buddy and I put on during the French & Indian War.
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Reply #14 - Feb 12th, 2012 at 12:07pm
 
I have been throwing knives since I was a kid, probably started almost 40 years ago, and is still lousy at it, so here goes;  Throwing knives can be done for fun, sport, self defence and assassination, I suppose.  For fun whatewer is fun is right.  I like both ways myself, but have got a liking for the no-spin these last years.
 For sport whatever is appropriate is right .  
For self defense (let`s for simplicity say you are in a situation where throwing the knife is the right choice Wink) you either are in a situation where the enemy is already close, then a no-spin throw would be fine.  
Or he is at some distance, and you can manouvre yourself relative to him so you got him in a distance suitable for 1/2, 1, 1 1/2, 2, 2 1/2 or whatever spin, then a spin throw is fine.  
Guess nobody here  is assassins but I guess sneaking into, and throwing from, an multi-spin distance would do just fine.
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