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tips for pouch weaving ?
Aug 2nd, 2011 at 8:34pm
 
hello fellow slingers !
figured i could learn better if i didnt remain a lurker so here i am

i can make a damn good braided sling with a split pouch but , want to try different pouch variations
for now ive been focusing on weaving  but im having a pretty difficult time with it its either way to tight and misshapen
or way to loose to tighten up while keeping shape  ,

ill continue to practice but is their any tips or tricks you guys can share with me ?

ohh and im working with parachord this time around if that makes a difference at all
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Re: tips for pouch weaving ?
Reply #1 - Aug 2nd, 2011 at 9:09pm
 
if your weaving with paracord, like in a PJ sling then try it gutted, i find it easier to learn that way. pull the warps (non moving strands in the weave) taught, and try to pull them out ward when your weaving, like your trying to make the weave wider. this will make it tighter. then every inch or so of weave shove the woven part down to make it tighter.  thsi works for all types of weaves without looms.
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Reply #2 - Aug 2nd, 2011 at 9:15pm
 
Hey Jutebox, and welcome to the clan.  Always good to have another slinger around here. ...

I am not the most experienced person at weaving but I have made what I would consider a decent pouch. Not too tight, not too loose and symmetrical. Nothing fancy by any means. I just wrap one cord around each thigh and then sit Indian style and it stretches out the pouch area very tight and just weave. Really a lot of it is just practicing and learning from mistakes. Make sure you don't tighten the weft thread so tight as to make the pouch no longer symmetrical and just keep the edges straight either by eyeballing it or by checking it with a ruler.

I realize none of that is probably very helpful but I think a lot of it is just practicing over and over. As you probably know by now we have some seriously talented sling makers on this site. Hopefully one of them can offer you more help than I did.

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Reply #3 - Aug 2nd, 2011 at 11:14pm
 
thankyous for the welcomes and helpful replies !

well i just completed a new sling , the pouch turned out decent enough for me to give it to a friend  Smiley

the tip about keeping the warps tight was helpfull ,i think that was my main problem along with packing the weft
also i think the homemade loom was messing me up  this one i just did in my bare hands

hopefully i can borrow a camera to post pics up and share

does any one know if the number of warps should affect the width of my pouch ?
meaning i only had three warps to work with and i had trouble widening the pouch when they where to far apart from eachother

maybe ill have to try a 4 stand braid and just see how that works
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Reply #4 - Aug 3rd, 2011 at 2:32am
 
Although having more warps will make the pouch wider, it's generally better to have thicker warps, ex. Two 1/16 inch warps rather than 3 ultra thin ones. With time you'll figure out how to make the weave thicker with the same warps, but i find that thicker warps also make a more solid pouch.


BTW I wouldn't try to weave more than 6 warps without a loom. The more warps, the more difficulty.
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Re: tips for pouch weaving ?
Reply #5 - Aug 3rd, 2011 at 8:30am
 
Make a simple loom, much easier to weave when nothing moves around.  Have a look at the King Tut sling tutorial for an idea of how to make one.
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Reply #6 - Aug 3rd, 2011 at 9:25am
 
I love weaving pouches but find it difficult to get everything tight. PJ uses a special tool, like a spike, to pack the rows. I keep the warps splayed by jamming something between the two outer ones-- a ball, a cup, or lately, a plastic cup with a scalloped edge-- these divisions keep the warps divided.

Ideally, you should start with few warps (if you have 12 strands, 3 warps of 4 strands), then increase (4 warps, 6 warps), then decrease again. But it takes a lot of patience.

Good luck !

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Reply #7 - Aug 3rd, 2011 at 3:15pm
 
I weave a lot of pouches.  Though I generally don't make them any wider than seven warps I've done them up to nine.  A loom might help, but I find them unnecessary.  I've never used one.  Your very best tool for making a good, proper woven  pouch is practice in my opinion.
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Re: tips for pouch weaving ?
Reply #8 - Aug 3rd, 2011 at 3:58pm
 
Rat Man wrote on Aug 3rd, 2011 at 3:15pm:
I weave a lot of pouches.  Though I generally don't make them any wider than seven warps I've done them up to nine.  A loom might help, but I find them unnecessary.  I've never used one.  Your very best tool for making a good, proper woven  pouch is practice in my opinion.  


My widest is 8 warps and I've never seen the need for a loom either. The only thing I've ever considered it for is weaving pouches with dozens of warp threads to create a mosaic on the pouch but after seeing what Whipartist can create with his knotting (I think it's knotting) technique I see no reason to even do that.
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Re: tips for pouch weaving ?
Reply #9 - Aug 3rd, 2011 at 8:52pm
 
I have found that although a loom is not necessary for many pouches, it can make the process a little easier, and sometimes significantly faster. When weaving pouches with the warps more or less parallel to the sling cords, all I use for a loom is a rectangular wooden frame, and I simply tie the warps onto it, and make sure they are fairly tight, as that helps to have a better weft-faced weaving job. Sometimes, if the warps of the pouch are also used to make the sling cords, and I am using a braiding table, I only tie the warps on one side of the frame, and I use the weighted braiding table bobbins to keep tension on the warp by letting the warps strands hang over the opposite side of the frame. For pouches like Tut and other Egyptian style pouches where the warp is roughly perpendicular to the cords, which I like to call cross-warped pouches, I have taken to using small peg looms, because they are quick to warp, and it is pretty easy to make the warp tight.

For a small number of warps, one method of pushing the weaving together that I have found very useful is to use my hands like heddles on a loom. Say, for example, that I am weaving with 4 warps numbered 1-4 left to right. Then I would lift warps 1 and 3 to form a shed, and pass the weft underneath them, pulling it snug, but not making it too tight. Next I switch and lift up warps 2 and 4 which will tend to force the weft down against the rest of the weaving, and I help that process by putting my other hand into the new shed and pushing the weft back with it. Since my hand is now already in the shed, I then grab the weft and pull it through, and repeat the process. I've found that this has significantly sped up my weaving time, and it has helped to keep my weaving looking more even.

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