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Jul 13th, 2011 at 11:37pm
 
  Hey, well it's been a while since I found the fully grooved axe and maul, nearly a year since I found a point!  Here's what I found while slinging on the beaches today!
  A nicely flaked core and a rough spearpoint/knife possibly of the same material, hard to tell as there is scum on the point.  As with most of what I have found at this site including the axe and the maul the point is pretty roughly shaped and like some of the other points I found there has a lot of step fracturing.  I was starting to give up hope but I found these and the hunt is on!  I nearly walked past the point as with the brown scum on it it looks exactly like a type of shale that's all around there, I looked at it, thought oh well I'll check to be sure and as soon as I touched it I felt and saw the flake scars and BOINGO!
  Now I got some more goodies to add to the collection!
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All my points and humpbacked hidescrapers exlcuding todays found on the same site
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Reply #1 - Jul 14th, 2011 at 8:12am
 
That's a nice collection!
I'd like to post pictures of mine, but my camera is broken  Sad
Don't tell the Italian police, but I've hundreds of pieces, going from the Paleolithic to the 2nd World War... flints are the most fascinating, for me, but even Roman stuff (a decorative tile still conserve its colors and patterns!) and Late Middle Age pottery are  Wink
One of my favourite pieces is a femur with a hole on it; it was used to unbend arrows.
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Reply #2 - Jul 16th, 2011 at 10:33am
 
  Wow, that is pretty darn cool.  Around here you can collect all you want as long as they are surface finds.  They just don't want you to go digging up a village if you happen to find one and messing up the whole thing so they can't date it and study it properly.  But if you are walking a beach or a road etc. and you see an artifact it's all yours.
  Any chance of getting pics of some of this stuff?
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Reply #3 - Jul 17th, 2011 at 2:52am
 
Impressive stone age finds there! That place must have been quite populated to have so many tool laying around.
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Reply #4 - Jul 17th, 2011 at 9:35am
 
Funny, some of them look more like Moustérian or even Acheulean artefacts to me (Neanderthal or H. erectus). If they were found in N-America, this is either impossible or the beginning of a brand new theory about the human migration into America.

But then again, I'm far from being an expert in N-American tool typology. They might just represent a style that I have not seen yet in New World artefacts.
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Reply #5 - Jul 17th, 2011 at 6:18pm
 
Fundibularius wrote on Jul 17th, 2011 at 9:35am:
Funny, some of them look more like Moustérian or even Acheulean artefacts to me (Neanderthal or H. erectus). If they were found in N-America, this is either impossible or the beginning of a brand new theory about the human migration into America.

But then again, I'm far from being an expert in N-American tool typology. They might just represent a style that I have not seen yet in New World artefacts.

Since they were exposed to the elements I think they've just been worn down and chipped between when they were knapped and when the were found.
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Reply #6 - Jul 17th, 2011 at 6:29pm
 
That's awesome...it's amazing to hold something in your hand that was made by a hunter possibly hundreds or thousands of years ago.
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Reply #7 - Jul 17th, 2011 at 7:24pm
 
  Some have been polished by wave action but some are almost or as sharp as when they were made.  The most recent one there has hardly any wear, it's not quite sharp but it's not far off.
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Reply #8 - Jul 18th, 2011 at 3:05pm
 
Hallo people!
I've made some low quality pictures of the most important pieces of my stone age collection.
I deeply apologize for the bad quality, but my mobile couldn't do better.
I've some cores that seems to be quite ancient, about 60-70'000 years bp, but the most beautiful piece is the obsidian blade core found in Cessapalombo, the tiny black pyramid that you can see in one of the pics.
If you're interested, I could tell you the story of each single piece, how I got it, where I found it, what does it tells us about Italian history.
I've got some more flint tools too, but they're linked with other foundings (pottery, metal tools, etc...), because I subdivide my foundings by areas (for example, when I go to the Monte Conero, 10kms South of my town, I look for flint only, and I group it; I've found flint blades even 700 meters from my house, but I was not looking only for these kinds of objects, so I put them toghether with other foundings).
In Italy, you're allowed to take only coins and amphorae, because there're tons of this stuff. Any other founding has to be declared - but I'm ok for flint, because I knap it and can claim these to be my creations.

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Reply #9 - Jul 24th, 2011 at 12:52am
 
 Thanks for posting those pictures!  You have some really cool stuff there man.  What are those artifacts 5 pictures down?  They look kind of like adzes but are a bit blocky?
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Reply #10 - Jul 24th, 2011 at 11:09am
 
Luke, I don't know much about the points and the time frames they were used up where you live, if your finds were further south, I would say that they are early archaic back to transitional paleolithic.  The tools you have found look like they span about 1500 to 2000 years.  Your lancelot point shows hammer stone work and not baton work and no pressure flaking, those are signs of paleo work.  Your pecked and ground ax with the full groove is early archaic down here, it may be paleo or transitional where you are.  Some of your points look to have pressure flaking which would make them later.  Some of what you are calling hump backed scrapers look more like bifaced preforms.  They were hammered into preforms at the quarry site and then carried back to the village site to be made into tools as needed.  They were used for digging, chopping, cutting and scrapping as preforms and later knapped into different tools as needed. 

It looks like you have found a multi cultural site, people would live there for a time and then move away.  Once the land replenished itself or the people changed thier foraging styles and habits, the site would be re occupied.  An example, paleo hunters after caribou, then archaic fishermen, then archaic hunters after whitetail deer and seals, over a period of several thousand years, each would be there for 50-100 years with a large gap of 200-300 years between each group.  That is a silly, wild a**guess, it will take excavation of the site to tell.  Bill
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Reply #11 - Jul 24th, 2011 at 5:45pm
 
 It's a beach, and the artifacts are scattered over the whole thing.  I doubt you could even exacavate it as the finds are so far apart and everything is always being jumbled up by the tides that dating would likely not work.
   Which one are you referring to as the lancelot point? The new one I found alone in the first picture?  I don't know my point types...
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Reply #12 - Jul 24th, 2011 at 10:47pm
 
Yes, the very first picture.  Depending on sea levels, they would look for building sites above the high tide lines and that alone will help date the site.  What kind of dwelling, where and how many, midden heaps or trash piles, graveyards, workshop areas, all of these will be there somewhere and they will help explain the site or sites.

If that is a paleo site, it may be under water, the glaciers locked up a lot of water, when  they melted the sea levels rose.  Is there any high ground next to potable water close?  If there is, that is probably the village site.  Bill
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Reply #13 - Jul 26th, 2011 at 8:32am
 
LukeWebb wrote on Jul 24th, 2011 at 12:52am:
 Thanks for posting those pictures!  You have some really cool stuff there man.  What are those artifacts 5 pictures down?  They look kind of like adzes but are a bit blocky?


Thank you!
These objects are three stone axes, of which only one is, in my opinion, perfect.
The bigger one is very blocky and grainy. The other is flat, but broken in two.
And the third is beautiful, very accurate in its making.
If you're interested in more pictures, I'll ask some friends to lend me a camera  Smiley
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Reply #14 - Jul 26th, 2011 at 9:47am
 
  That would be cool if you could but don't go to too much trouble.  I really love seeing these kinds of things.
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