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Reply #60 - Feb 11th, 2011 at 2:25pm
 
scoteeball wrote on Feb 11th, 2011 at 1:21pm:
Unless the stone that was found was embedded in it's pitch mark there was some forward bounce and roll but never the less, one hell of a throw!

As I understand it, part of the reason we know lead will bury itself in the ground is that Larry's shots did the same, and he was using stones much less dense than lead.
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Reply #61 - Feb 12th, 2011 at 3:00pm
 
Also take into consideration that the Balearic home is an island. Slinging at sea level is not the best place to try slinging for distance.

When I was slinging rocks at the sea, I was surprised to see that my shots fell short of my usual distance. I quickly realized that the thick atmosphere was slowing my rocks.
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Reply #62 - Feb 12th, 2011 at 3:17pm
 
A few of the leaden glandes i threw on the runway were covered with the thin layer of breakable orange paint. So i was able to find the impact points of some of them. Around the points there were small crumbs of the paint. I found no glande further than 5 m from its impact point. The lead is soft and it amortizes the impact pretty well. Despite of it the angle of the impact is relatively big, much bigger than the angle of the toss though. I think it is one of easier ways, of course if you have an access to a piece of a runway.
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Reply #63 - Feb 12th, 2011 at 3:31pm
 
Rockman wrote on Feb 12th, 2011 at 3:00pm:
Also take into consideration that the Balearic home is an island. Slinging at sea level is not the best place to try slinging for distance.

When I was slinging rocks at the sea, I was surprised to see that my shots fell short of my usual distance. I quickly realized that the thick atmosphere was slowing my rocks.


Leaden projectiles due its density aren't as much sensible to air density or wind as stones. I have done the attempts 72 m over the sea level and there was frost. Of course if one have a perfect consistent technique it could be significant.
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Reply #64 - Feb 14th, 2011 at 6:58am
 
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As I understand it, part of the reason we know lead will bury itself in the ground is that Larry's shots did the same, and he was using stones much less dense than lead


mainly it's down to spin. Glandes fly well in part because of the spin effect self orienting the glande.
So effectively a glande shaped projectile will actively drill it's way into the ground.

From a personal point of view I've had larry sling lead glandes at me and even one that landed about 8 feet in front of me - I could never find.
It wasn't quite as suicidal as it sounds lol
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Reply #65 - Feb 14th, 2011 at 11:23am
 
I disagree with the drill part, unless the gland is rotating at speeds approaching electric drill speeds, plain old momentumn is what is going to make it dig into the ground.  And for a small projectile, it doesn't have to go all that deep to make finding it almost impossible.  Bill
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Reply #66 - Feb 14th, 2011 at 12:40pm
 
disgaree away -  you're quite wrong Smiley
It's the high speed of spin that makes glande shaped missiles so effective.

You would not get significant penetration of glande into humans if it were not for the high rate of spin, and as the romans had specific instruments for removing leag sling bullets from people - we know penetration with lead glandes was common.

The spin rates you get with a glande and a good throw are probably easily as high as an electric drill. Not as much as a bullet fired with a rifled barrel firearm, but certainly it is s very significant effect.
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Reply #67 - Feb 14th, 2011 at 8:43pm
 
The rpm maintains an on axis flight and hopefully a point first hit. No meaningful drilling takes place because of the low rotation rate per unit of distance, which can be as low as 3 turns in each lineal meter. The penetration is solely determined by impact force, nature of projectile and target.

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Reply #68 - Feb 14th, 2011 at 10:06pm
 
For what it's worth regarding penetration, I've had ballasted tennis balls (8 oz) come down from fairly high throws and dig their way into soft turf to the full depth of the ball, spinning but with the axis of spin at 90 degrees to the direction of fall (backspin). A lead glande hitting point on should have no trouble penetrating flesh.
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Reply #69 - Feb 14th, 2011 at 11:29pm
 
Curious Aardvark wrote on Feb 14th, 2011 at 12:40pm:
disgaree away -  you're quite wrong Smiley
It's the high speed of spin that makes glande shaped missiles so effective.

You would not get significant penetration of glande into humans if it were not for the high rate of spin, and as the romans had specific instruments for removing leag sling bullets from people - we know penetration with lead glandes was common.

The spin rates you get with a glande and a good throw are probably easily as high as an electric drill. Not as much as a bullet fired with a rifled barrel firearm, but certainly it is s very significant effect.


Sorry, Old Chap, I've heard you make that claim before. Whilst I cannot prove it to be untrue I suspect you'd have a devil of a time proving it is.

Sure the gland is spinning rapidly, but it's also moving forward very rapidly so the ratio of spin to travel is really quite low. Even when drilling soft materials a drill advances only millimetres for every revolution, and then under power. A sling projectile has only a very small percentage of its kinetic enery due to rotation, nearly all is due to forward motion.

The spin is essential in keeping the gland flying point forward, exactly the same as a rifle bullet. This materially aids in accuracy, but I doubt it adds much to the striking force.
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Reply #70 - Feb 14th, 2011 at 11:29pm
 
Does anybody have any idea how fast a gland is spinning or is everybody just guessing?  Spinning usually decreases penetration, that is why modern tanks have smooth bore barrels and shoot fin stabized projectiles.  The fins are angeled so they do rotate, just enough to keep them stable in flight.  The velocity and weight of the projectile causes it to penetrate.  Bill
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Reply #71 - Feb 15th, 2011 at 12:31am
 
The majority of the spin on a projectile is induced as it comes out of the pouch on release. There is also some due to the actual rotation of the sling but this is comparatively small. The pouch does not let go instantly but opens from one side allowing the projectile to roll out. So, the rate of spin varies considerably dependent on the centrifugal force, the diameter of the projectile, the degree of grip between the projectile and pouch, etc. I know from observation that when I sling tennis balls they rotate comparatively slowly; I estimate no mor than ten revs per sec or 600 RPM. However judging from the sound of small whirring stones, similar to the sound of transformers, I estimate their rotational speed to be up around 3000 RPM.
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Reply #72 - Feb 15th, 2011 at 2:18am
 
Lead glandes never had drill tips,how could they drill? Shocked even if you made them like that,it would cost you quite a bit of it's aerodynamics,and even decrease penetration in my opinion.A projectiles spinning is helping only it's stability.And after traveling 400m they probably would lose most of it's spinning,so at impact a few spins per meter won't matter much.Not to mention when a lead gland would hit flesh,the spinning would be much sooner stopped than the forward motion.Overall I say spinning is good for stability in flight,and doesn't matter at penetration,when were talking slings,and lead.
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Reply #73 - Feb 15th, 2011 at 2:29am
 
Morphy wrote on Feb 2nd, 2011 at 1:59pm:
I think it was C_A that mentioned watching Larry Bray sling golf balls passed the max distance at a golf range. It's not hard to believe watching the video he posted awhile back.

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It's good to know that I'm not necessarily doing something wrong because I don't get a whip-crack on my release. My slings make a sound a lot like Larry's did in that video.

I'd love to be able to sling a golf ball farther than good golfers can drive them. It's been a while since I got out with a bag of balls on a long open field. Have to do that again soon. I've done some slow-and-easy practice (as I've posted about here) and I do feel a need to get out and cut loose, soon.
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Reply #74 - Mar 2nd, 2026 at 12:38am
 
Its interesting to read Yurek's thoughts on how to generate maximum power. I have the same conclusions.
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