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Martin l-100 longbow    
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Dec 26th, 2010 at 1:27pm
 
So I am looking into getting a traditional bow and have narrowed it down to 2 the Samsick Sage no-tools take down recurve and the Martin l-100 longbow there are different advantges and disadvantages to each, the long bow is more quiet but is also less portable and more expensive, the recurve is harder to string (without a stringer) but more portable and less expensive. Both bows are 62in overall and I was planning on getting them in 50lbd.

Second qustion I wanted a draw weight that is a good compromise for both deer and small game (birds, squirrels, rabits, etc.) is 50 lbds too much for small game?
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Reply #1 - Dec 26th, 2010 at 3:11pm
 

Go for the Martin! If you can take it apart, its not a bow.

50 lbs is a lot if you havent shot before. Borrow, or buy second hand and sell on, a 30lb or less beginner fiberglass bow so you can work on your technique and then step up to the bigger bow once you can shoot straight.

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Reply #2 - Dec 26th, 2010 at 3:41pm
 
David Morningstar wrote on Dec 26th, 2010 at 3:11pm:
Go for the Martin! If you can take it apart, its not a bow.

50 lbs is a lot if you havent shot before. Borrow, or buy second hand and sell on, a 30lb or less beginner fiberglass bow so you can work on your technique and then step up to the bigger bow once you can shoot straight.



Agreed. One of the most common mistakes for new bow hunters is to start with a bow that is too heavy. If you start over bowed you will ingrain bad habits into your shooting that are extremely difficult to change. You could also hurt yourself. Whether adult or teen you would be better off starting with a 30# bow if you are relatively new to archery. And then work your way up to 50# or more.
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Reply #3 - Dec 26th, 2010 at 4:42pm
 
I agree.
I begun with a school bow of 25-30 lbs, and am now able to open a 65lbs longbow.
I think a 35-40 lbs short bow is good for hunting, expecially if composite, because it closes faster and give more speed to the arrow.
Use blunt arrowheads for the small game, and tall feathers when you have to hunt birds.  Wink
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Reply #4 - Dec 26th, 2010 at 9:10pm
 
i would say a recurve to start, but i'm with David about the take-down. us traditionalist snobs don't go in for those fancy gadgets  Tongue recurves are more stable and shorter and seem to lend themselves better towards hunting than longbows do.

poundage depends a lot on your size and strength. my ironwood self bow pulls about 55# at full draw and is good for large or small game, but then i'm 5' 10'', 235lbs, and have been shooting since i was a child. for a beginning adult male archer i would say anything in the 30-45# range would be suitable.

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Reply #5 - Dec 26th, 2010 at 9:54pm
 
50 pounds in enough more or less,  ive killed ptarmigan with a 55 pound martin stick longbow,  its 62 inch long i think,  it twas my 1st bow and its my favorite.  I have heavier bows but this ones a charm,  not too heavy not too light,  my heaviest is 70pound compound,  its tough but too heavy for carrying.  I have a 60 pound bear montana longbow it feels easier to full back because of its reflex/deflex shape or vise versa.  I definitely recommend the Martin Stick Longbow,  mine is an older version,  the newer one is better with i think its the L-100 its longer and has better nocks on it soo you can have fast-flight sting.  50 pounds is good enough for the biggest north american game as well as the smallest,  here in Alaska the minimum for big game is 50 pounds
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Reply #6 - Dec 26th, 2010 at 10:06pm
 
I like longbows over recurves, specifically flatbows.  I am another who says start light, 25-30 is great to learn on.  40-45 pounds will handle all whitetails, most blackbear, most hogs and about 2/3s of the mule deer you will come across.  50 will handle everything in North America except the largest bears, moose and musk ox.  The biggest things about bow hunting are shot placement and razor sharp points. 

For hunting small game, a blunt or bludgon style point is preferred.  You can use old broadheads, that gets real expensive, real quick, you tend to shoot lots at small game and lose lots of arrows.  Do not use an unmodified target or field point, it kills by infection a week after you shoot something. 

FWIW, I love to squirrel hunt with a bow.  I have used up to 82 pounds, my normal hunting bows are 50-60, my flatbow is mid 40's, if I hit the squirrel in the head, the blunt kills it.  If I hit it in the body, it stuns it, if I want squirrel for supper, I run up, grab it and finish it off, it is much easier to hit a squirrel if I am not fighting the bow.  When shooting up at a very steep angle, you will probably have to move your anchor point to the corner of your jaw.  And last, what goes up usually comes down, and after an arrow has hit 6 or 12 branches and deflected all over the place, I have had to duck my own arrow.  Bill
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Reply #7 - Dec 26th, 2010 at 11:05pm
 
I used to have 40 arrows more or less now I have 32,  I lost some while chasing a white ptarmigan,  4 of em and only found a few,  never got it dang i was using my compound i shoulda use my longbows or a bb gun or a slingshot(the rubber kind)
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Reply #8 - Dec 27th, 2010 at 9:00am
 
I have been shoting bows for about the past 4 years, I started with a 10lbd youth bow with a 20in draw (very dificult because I have about a 26in draw) and everyday I would pull back the heavy bow in the garage a couple times a day............. and now a days I can pull back a 45lbd wheel bow as many time as I need to
(The most I have ever used it was around 40 shots and I left because dinner would be ready soon, but I usually shoot about a dozen almost every day if I can Wink). I have also shot a 55lbd long bow at a local archery store several times with no problem so being able to pull back a bow is no problem.

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Thank you so much for all the answers, also what is the suggested head I use for bowhunting squirrels. I recently made a really cool head from a field tip and a wingnut cold welded just behind it (points down) to limit penetration and to offer more blunt force trama, would these work?  
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Reply #9 - Dec 27th, 2010 at 10:45am
 
2nd qustion, will duct tape fletching work on traditonal bows? I am looking into making my own arrows and fletching turned out to be the most expensive part.
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Reply #10 - Dec 27th, 2010 at 11:22am
 
I put the wingnuts point forward and sharpen them with a file.  Squirrels are a lot tougher than you would believe until you shoot some.

Make friends with the duck hunters in the area, in about two months make friends with all the turkey hunters.  If you have Canada geese in the area, they molt in May-June, pick up every feather.  Check out what is called the "Southeastern Woodland Fletch".  It uses two small feathers tied on the arrow shaft.  Wooden dowels sharpened with a pencil sharpener with a metal nut or two screwed down with just the sharp tip exposed work great.  They are called "nutters", a wing nut works well, also. 

I haven't tried duct tape fletching on an arrow, I suspect you would have to put a spirial on it to make it work well.  You can use an elevated rest and plastic vanes.  Bill
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Reply #11 - Dec 27th, 2010 at 2:23pm
 
I have used duct tape for atlatl darts and they work fine Wink,  dont know abput regular archery arrows Huh,  I have shot arrows from an atlatl before it was cool
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Reply #12 - Dec 27th, 2010 at 3:03pm
 
I know what you mean Bill I have shot squirrels in the head with my 22. and still had to go and finish them off. Will the wingnuts still work point back (kind of like a blunt broadhead) or do I havve to file the off and reverse them? Also will 145gr blunts work on squirrels with a 40-50lbd bow (assuming I hit them in the head)?
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Reply #13 - Dec 27th, 2010 at 3:34pm
 
All the duct tape fletching I've tried did not work well but I didn't spend a huge amount of time working with it either. When used for fletching duct tape is very rigid so it does not flatten as it goes across the bow. A raised rest might help with that. Even with that problem figured out I don't know how well it would stabilize in flight.  Maybe if you left the fletching  low and put a fairly severe helical fletch on it, it might work good. Guess the only way to find out is to try it.

I chose martin since they have a good name to back up their product. You might also look on e-bay for used bows. You probably know this but a used FG bow will shoot every bit as fast as the day it was made even if it is 40 years old. So long as there are no structural defects it will essentially last you forever or until you trade it for a different one.  Smiley
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Reply #14 - Dec 27th, 2010 at 4:59pm
 
Morphy I have replaced fletching on some of my older arrows with camo duct tape fletching and you are correct that it does effect accuracy and it expanded my group about 2-3in it is also best done in a long and narrow fasion, because if they are to wide they tend to "deflect" off the rest. However they still work relatively well for the short amount of time put in them.

Check out this video where an arrow (with DT fletching) is made and used for hunting (however keep in mind as much as I enjoy watching Dual Survival that there aren't any turkeys in this area  of North America and was probably brought in by the crew to show how it could be done if you actually found game)

Arrow making starts at about 8:20  http://www.youtube.com/user/DualSurvival2#p/u/10/12obUZt5Pzs

Actual hunt  http://www.youtube.com/user/DualSurvival2#p/u/11/0D9jtzQ9gtc
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