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Dec 2nd, 2010 at 1:15am
 
It seems to me that it you put a hollow area on both ends of a lead glans that it should expand upon impact like a modern hollowpoint round.  So my question is, do you think that a hollowpoint slingstone would even work and what kind of applications could it have?
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Reply #1 - Dec 2nd, 2010 at 3:38am
 
I think hollowpoint glans wouldn't work like HP bullets because they travel much slower, to expand like a HP bullet traveling at 300m\s.As for a hollowpoint slingstones...well it might "expand" to pieces in a hard impact.
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Reply #2 - Dec 2nd, 2010 at 8:11am
 
Cool Idea but even as powerful as a sling is I don't think it is fast enough to expand lead.
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Reply #3 - Dec 2nd, 2010 at 11:51am
 
I dont know much about my bullets, but I thought one of the key points of glandes where that they were a smaller point. This gave them greater pressure per surface area and helped them penetrate into the body like an arrow instead of blunt impact. I think to make a more blunt object (like a stone) pentrate the skin would take alot more power, more than we can typically throw, and so blunt doesnt sound like it would work as well.
Ofcourse you could always design a glande that is blunt so as to deliver a blunt impact (incase you are aiming at armoured targets) but still want the increased flying capabilities of the glandes.

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Reply #4 - Dec 2nd, 2010 at 1:30pm
 
It might be more effictive if you took a lead fishing sinker with the hole lengthwise and hammered a nail through it.  Then grind off the head and sharpen it.  I think it should project about 1/8" (3mm) from each end.  You now have the weight of lead and the steel point.  It should give much better penetration.  It could be used for hunting.  This presupposes that A.  You can throw a spiral and B.  You hit what you aim at.  Bill
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Reply #5 - Dec 2nd, 2010 at 2:31pm
 
Hollowpoint bullets work because they mushroom or fragment with impact making a hug channel, but a glans just doesn't have to necessary velocity. It would collapse and deflect itself preventing much penetration. Now if you want to get into wadcutters and jacketed ammo... this can get pretty awesome.
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Reply #6 - Dec 2nd, 2010 at 7:11pm
 
nah, the glans is traveling to slow. also, the bullet is traveling so fast that the minor dent in the middle of the bullet wouldn't do much. on a slower larger sling stone/glande it would probably make the everhated whine of an irregularly shaped rock
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Reply #7 - Dec 2nd, 2010 at 9:39pm
 
Bullets have problems with over penetration so HP's make sense, glandes under penetrate so I would go with something like Bill mentioned or maybe all steel, needle pointed glandes.

I've often thought a glande with mechanical broad heads on each side would kill just about anything out there and have great aerodynamics but that is getting a bit complicated for such a simple weapon...
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Reply #8 - Dec 2nd, 2010 at 10:56pm
 
Morphy wrote on Dec 2nd, 2010 at 9:39pm:
I've often thought a glande with mechanical broad heads on each side would kill just about anything out there and have great aerodynamics but that is getting a bit complicated for such a simple weapon...

It works, apparently. Check out this hunting ammo.
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Reply #9 - Dec 2nd, 2010 at 11:23pm
 
Impressive. A 3 oz. glande going 45m/s would have 63 ft/lbs. With the penetration of razor sharp broad heads that would be enough to drop pretty much any animal on earth.
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Reply #10 - Dec 3rd, 2010 at 12:25am
 
Everyone,

It seems that I've already offended a member into deleting all his posts. However let me reiterate that posts on making deadlier sling projectiles are not advisable. Such projectiles would have no legitimate sporting use.

It's already a pity that slinging.org is listed as a "weapons site". Let's not give slings an undeserved bad name by undue emphasis on such projectiles. It sends totally the wrong message.

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Reply #11 - Dec 3rd, 2010 at 1:59am
 
Morphy wrote on Dec 2nd, 2010 at 9:39pm:
Bullets have problems with over penetration so HP's make sense, glandes under penetrate so I would go with something like Bill mentioned or maybe all steel, needle pointed glandes.

I've often thought a glande with mechanical broad heads on each side would kill just about anything out there and have great aerodynamics but that is getting a bit complicated for such a simple weapon...


I agree on both counts. The reason for hollow point firearm ammunition is to make as sure as possible that all of the bullet's kinetic energy is imparted to the target. Any momentum the bullet possesses after it goes through its target is wasted energy that could have been used to do trauma to tissue (the goal, when you're shooting a living thing, after all).

Since I'm not aware of sling ammunition having any tendency to go through-and-through the target, I don't suppose that there's any need to design sling ammo that expands. That would be a superfluous characteristic, and indeed would stand the greatest chance of actually harming the projectile's ballistics.
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Reply #12 - Dec 3rd, 2010 at 3:29am
 
Ah, well. Tongue I didn't think about the lack of velocity.  Thanks for the replies.

Aussie, I understand what you are saying, so no offense taken.  Thanks for trying to keep slinging on the up and up.  I'll try to keep my posts more sportsmanlike in the future.  All the same, there is merit in exploring new avenues of innovation...
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Reply #13 - Dec 3rd, 2010 at 7:43am
 
Thunder Chief wrote on Dec 3rd, 2010 at 3:29am:
Ah, well. Tongue I didn't think about the lack of velocity.  Thanks for the replies.

Aussie, I understand what you are saying, so no offense taken.  Thanks for trying to keep slinging on the up and up.  I'll try to keep my posts more sportsmanlike in the future.  All the same, there is merit in exploring new avenues of innovation...


It's not unsportsmanlike, I realize there is such a thing as theoretical interest. The problem is that things get wildly exagerrated, even supposedly serious shows make nonsensical claims like, "3 kilonewtons, enough force to crush a concrete block", and soon the banning brigade gets out because, "we simpy can't allow young kids to be out with weapons that are as deadly as a .45cal." Absolute rubbish! A sling is a sling, not a firearm. It may have been an effective weapon in times past but now it's just an interest, no more dangerous than golf or baseball.

Even more than that, undue emphasis on the sling's deadliness attracts the wrong kind of people. Sort of like people who take up martial arts supposedly for sporting interest but in reality just hoping that someone will pick a fight so they can "punch his his lights out". I know for most it's only a juvenile fantasy and won't really amount to anything serious but still not good. That sort of glamourization of violence is all through our culture. Not something we should be encouraging.
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Reply #14 - Dec 3rd, 2010 at 8:42am
 
I agree Aussi.
Certainly one can also deal with it.
However, must this be here?
Why do we work here not everybody on a sporty DISPOSITION? And maybe sometime we meet everybody on an international Tunier.
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