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Reply #90 - Aug 23rd, 2010 at 6:50pm
 
soo if u had domesticated cows, and then u just release them into the wild, they'll get back to their original wild selves?
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Reply #91 - Aug 23rd, 2010 at 7:01pm
 
Not an exact copy of the original organism, but probably something in between. The wild ancestors of cows are extinct now.

Cows would adapt to their enviroment and their bodies would eventually suit their needs. Or so the theory goes.
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Re: Did Neanderthals use missile weapons?
Reply #92 - Aug 23rd, 2010 at 7:01pm
 
Jabames wrote on Aug 23rd, 2010 at 6:50pm:
soo if u had domesticated cows, and then u just release them into the wild, they'll get back to their original wild selves?


Obviously not at once. But over several/many generations they tend to look more and more like the wild animals they were originally bred from.

Variation due to environment can even be detected in humans. During WW1 Australia was settled almost exclusively from British and Irish stock yet Australian soldiers were noted to be generallyl several inches taller than their native English allies. The change came about in only 4 or so generations.
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Reply #93 - Aug 23rd, 2010 at 7:07pm
 
Mutation does happen on a regular basis. You have two headed snakes, frogs with an extra leg, humans born with some genetic abnormality. Such mutations usually spell doom for the individual.

But the theory goes that every once in a while (let's say every million years or so for arguments sake), one of those mutation actually benefits the organism. Webbed feet would be a death sentence for a birdl that needs to walk a lot like a roadrunner. But if webbed fett occur in a water bound bird, suddenly it is a bless.
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Reply #94 - Aug 23rd, 2010 at 8:18pm
 
 A perfect example of the "wild cow" you are talking about are packs of wild dogs.  There are many packs of wild dogs that roam around and hunt and are actually more dangerous than wolves.  Just dogs that have gone back to nature for one reason or another, and/or bred with wolves.  Feral cats are also an example.
 An interesting example of adaptation to environment is frogs that change their sex due to a lack of the opposite sex.  There are frogs that will actually become fully functional females or males if facing a shortage.  Kind of an extreme example but there ya' go!
  Another interesting one is polar bears that have moved inland from lack of territory and game that are found with brown fur, (I think it was brown, not black,) as they are not in the snow anymore.  Kind of like a soldier changing his camo.
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Reply #95 - Aug 24th, 2010 at 9:01am
 
Jabames wrote on Aug 23rd, 2010 at 6:50pm:
soo if u had domesticated cows, and then u just release them into the wild, they'll get back to their original wild selves?


Kinda, this is also to answer many of the other question it is stupid to not believe in micro-evolution which happens all the time (domestic apples , new dogs ,better tasting apples, better looking dogs) these have all been observed however , This is not macro-evolution which says that nothing exploded ,became everything ,and the apple will evolove into a cat and a cat will evolve into a dog, and so on. Which takes a substanial amout of faith to believe.
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Reply #96 - Aug 24th, 2010 at 11:27am
 
Jabames wrote on Aug 23rd, 2010 at 6:50pm:
soo if u had domesticated cows, and then u just release them into the wild, they'll get back to their original wild selves?

First, the cows would have to be able to survive in their new environment.  This is not necessarily a given.  Many, if not most of the traits that originally made it possible for such beasts to survive in the wild have been bred out of them.  In that at least some of the genes of their wild ancestors remain in them, if they are capable of surviving and the wild environment into which you're releasing them is similar to that of their wild ancestors, then it's reasonable to assume that they'll eventually resemble the original animal.  That's the theory.  To some it's perfectly logical, to others, hogwash.
  A Nazi scientist, Lutz Heck, did experiments in back breeding of extinct wild cattle.  The results are still very controversial:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heck_cattle
  He also experimented with back breeding a relatively recently extinct European horse, the Tarpan:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heck_horse
   DNA had yet to be discovered in Heck's time, of course, so he used physical characteristics of the extinct animals as his guide.
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Reply #97 - Aug 24th, 2010 at 12:05pm
 
Aussie wrote on Aug 23rd, 2010 at 7:01pm:
Jabames wrote on Aug 23rd, 2010 at 6:50pm:
soo if u had domesticated cows, and then u just release them into the wild, they'll get back to their original wild selves?


Obviously not at once. But over several/many generations they tend to look more and more like the wild animals they were originally bred from.

Variation due to environment can even be detected in humans. During WW1 Australia was settled almost exclusively from British and Irish stock yet Australian soldiers were noted to be generallyl several inches taller than their native English allies. The change came about in only 4 or so generations.


Doubt that genetics had much to do with that. More likely sunlight and better diet. No potato famine in Oz. And the change was noted at the time of WWI, but probably took place sooner. You see a similar situation in Japan, where succeeding generations are taller, due to better nutrition. Great grandpa may be five-foot-three and the high schooler may be pushing 6 feet.

About cows, the Spanish cattle that got loose in the Southwest (northwest Mexico at that time) became the Texas longhorns, not some Ur-bovines.

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Reply #98 - Aug 24th, 2010 at 1:09pm
 
LukeWebb wrote on Aug 21st, 2010 at 9:26pm:
I CAN PROVE EVOLUTION!! (I think... Roll Eyes )  So god created Adam and then he Created Eve from Adams rib, right?  O.K. well in that case what racial background was Adam?  With a name like Adam he was likely light skinned.  O.K. SO!  Where did all the different races of men come from?  Either the Adam and Eve story is wrong, (not saying it is, I dont know, nobody does,) OR the children of Adam and Eve evolved, mutated, adapted whatever into the different racial types we see today due to environment, food groups, breeding etc.  If this is not the case where the heck did all the different races of men come from?  What I mean here is, even if you are a creationist, you still gotta be an evolutionist! Wink


Um luke 1. there are several creationist theory various skin tone for one adam none of them involve evolution, adam had jewish type skin, I know one family with seven kids who are predominantly hawiian, Fillipino ,and samoan (sp?), and they are like a crayon box varying from very white to very dark . Also Noahs sons split up into various parts of the world (they likely had different skin tones )  and later they adapted to their enviroment . Micro-evolution is not difficult to prove at all for instance if you worked hard enough you could easily create a new breed of dog however , macro-evoluton is quite different ,macro-evolution would be working hard for a long time to make a banana into a dog  Wink. If you have any other questions about creationism feel free to send me a pm.
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Reply #99 - Aug 24th, 2010 at 1:27pm
 
There is now a thread in the Other Topics section called Your views where we can pick up this conversation up again there and also to keep the General Disscusion focused in slinging .  Cool
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Reply #100 - Aug 24th, 2010 at 2:02pm
 
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Reply #101 - Aug 24th, 2010 at 2:07pm
 
Yep, that's what we should do.
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Reply #102 - Aug 27th, 2010 at 9:11pm
 
Wow, real live creationists.
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Reply #103 - Aug 30th, 2010 at 1:41am
 
103 dalmations right here, along with nazis.
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Reply #104 - Aug 30th, 2010 at 10:28am
 
Please understand that I don't necessarily agree that Heck brought back any extinct species.  It's just interesting that he was able to make look alikes by selective breeding.  I don't agree with or support Heck or any Nazis.
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