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Re: bow vs atlatl - whats deadlier?
Reply #30 - May 13th, 2010 at 12:33pm
 
the atlatl is MUCH faster to reload and shoot. see above.
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Reply #31 - May 13th, 2010 at 12:33pm
 
A few months ago I took a class on building and using atlatl from the school www.Practical Primitive.com.  It was an all day class on the Atlatl.  I was amazed at this weapon.  The simplicity in making it was only rivaled by its power.  We each made our own atlatl and then used "practice" darts.  Basically 4-5 foot pieces of bamboo with no tip and duct tape fletching.  You would not believe the distant we were launching these darts, at least as far as an arrow with a bow.  Keep in mind these were not practice darts.  A well designed and made dart would have went farther.  Throughout our practice one of us hit a wooden fence post (about 4"x4") the blunt dart knocked a chunk of wook from the post.  This was from a distance of about 25-30 yards.  There is definitely some power behind the atlatl.  My accuracy was terrible but this was my first time with an atlatl by the end of the day I could hit the foam deer targe from about 20 yards.  I am more comfortable with the bow because I have used one a lot more, but I definitely do not short change the atlatl.  Think of the bow as an arrow launcher and the atlatl a spear launcher.  I will try and get a picture up of the atlatl I made.
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Re: bow vs atlatl - whats deadlier?
Reply #32 - May 13th, 2010 at 4:14pm
 
It's too late for me now to find a photo, but it shows a wild pig with two darts in it's side - the second dart was launched by the same hunter quick enough that they have almost identical entry angle -> the pig didn't have the time to either move much, or even tip over.

If you think you can dodge that, I'd like to see it. Tongue
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Reply #33 - May 13th, 2010 at 4:48pm
 
Here's some pics of the atlatl I made.  I still need to get the wood stained.

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Reply #34 - May 13th, 2010 at 9:40pm
 
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he might stab you with his third (that is not a lot of ammo) 6 foot long dart...
There is a word for your plan; "superhero syndrom" Wink

Or clobber him over the head with the atlatl itself  Wink
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Reply #35 - May 13th, 2010 at 11:02pm
 
That's a very interesting atlatl you got there Sharpdogs! Never seen one quite like that  before.

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Reply #36 - May 13th, 2010 at 11:31pm
 
Nice atlatl. That's red oak right? Mine's not that nice it's made
Out of pvc pipe.
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Reply #37 - May 14th, 2010 at 11:27am
 
very nice, sharpdogs! why don't you post that in the 'let's see your atlatl' thread.
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Reply #38 - May 14th, 2010 at 11:13pm
 
Paleoarts wrote on May 14th, 2010 at 11:27am:
very nice, sharpdogs! why don't you post that in the 'let's see your atlatl' thread.


As soon as I get a few coats of stain on it I will.  Your work is amazing, it is part of the reason why I took the class in the first place.  My neighbor just gave me some scrap wood which is perfect for making some more atlatls.
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Reply #39 - May 15th, 2010 at 12:10pm
 
theres another point, atlatls can be made extremely fast and still very deadly. as far as i know, it takes a while to make a good bow beacuse of seasoning the wood, and i dobt a bundle bow will beat an atlatl
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Re: bow vs atlatl - whats deadlier?
Reply #40 - May 15th, 2010 at 3:41pm
 

I reckon the bow is the best, and history bears this out. Two greatest advantages of the bow are:

Ease of use - the atlatl has a steep learning curve to achieve accuracy and its easy to screw up your shot under pressure e.g. 'buck fever' or war.

Speed to target - the bow can reach about twice as far in the time it takes for an animal to react and start moving. This makes hunting much easier because you will get many more shooting opportunities.
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Reply #41 - Oct 26th, 2010 at 11:14am
 
my cousin did make light metal arrows with holes along the length (the holes were shaped in a paricular way) but the effect when fired into a dead cow was horrific the holes were filled with flesh and it acted like a cheese grater. For use against a person with light or no armour it would be devistating the head of the arrow was shaped so as to be hard to remove and as it was hollow quite a bit of blood pumped out of the end. Now the point to all that was being metal albeit some light metal it traveled a drasticly shorter distance than a normal arrow, if a similar atlatl dart was made then the increased power behind it would probably make this a viable design. But the dart may need to be shortened.
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Reply #42 - Oct 26th, 2010 at 3:55pm
 
Since both projectiles are easily capable of killing a person, penetration doesn't seem to be an issue unless they are wearing armor. But since this is just a question of these two weapons I'm assuming no armor is in play.  Speed of the projectile, versatility and ease of aiming in a combat situation would come more into play. With that in mind I would choose the bow.

If I had to choose which one to actually be hit by I would choose the bow, as the severe oscillation on an atlatl dart would make a pretty terrifying wound no matter where you were hit. An arrow from a heavy bow on the other hand would have a good chance of simply passing through and if no major arteries or organs were hit you should heal up fairly well.
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Reply #43 - Oct 27th, 2010 at 3:03pm
 
I thought once about the oscillation of the atlatl dart that it has so much amplitude that I can imagine that it's point at massive penetration would cut in zigzag.Would this be possible?
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Reply #44 - Oct 27th, 2010 at 4:31pm
 
jlasud wrote on Oct 27th, 2010 at 3:03pm:
I thought once about the oscillation of the atlatl dart that it has so much amplitude that I can imagine that it's point at massive penetration would cut in zigzag.Would this be possible?


Wonder if Paleo will take a shot at that one? The only thing I wonder about is how fast the oscillation is relative to it's speed. It may be that the tip would pass through the body before much oscillation occurred although I think even a little would create a fairly devastating wound. If it didn't pass through I'm guessing it would do more damage then an arrow at least if not much more. All conjecture of course, I know practically nothing about atlatl...  Grin
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