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modified Maquahuitl
Mar 4th, 2010 at 9:40pm
 
if you watched the video in my last post aztec weaponry VS spanish weaponry notice the damage that Maquahuitl took to the spanish sword i was thinking of improving the Maquahuitl by replacing the multiple obsidian blades with steel ones that i will forge myself. i know its taking from the weapons originality for all you traditionalists out there im one myself but i also have a thing for whatever i make has to be useable and effective. like look at the damage that Maquahuitl did to that huge piece of meat in the video think what it could do with razor-sharp steel blades. well let me know what you think and i will try to make one and post the results with (if i can get a camera) some pictures
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Reply #1 - Mar 4th, 2010 at 11:49pm
 
Not to burst your bubble, but the reason maquahuitli are so effective is the obsidian. Obsidian can be sharpened to 3 nm uniform thickness. That is almost as sharp as a single molecule of obsidian. Even the smoothest steel blade is rough under a microscope and cannot be sharpened nearly as finely. Obsidian scalpel are used in eye surgery to make the most precise cuts.
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Reply #2 - Mar 5th, 2010 at 12:47am
 
yes that may be true Masiakasaurus i am very aware of obsidians exreme sharpness, i even read an account of a spanish conquistador who saw a horse beheaded in battle by a Maquahuitl, but i am also aware of its extreme brittleness and if you watched the video which i posted you would have seen that the Maquahuitl's edge was destroyed by the sword, like it almost knocked out the whole row of obsidian blades and i am willing to sacrifice the Maquahuitl's razor sharp edge for a more sturdy edge that would last longer in a battle. hopefully within a few weeks i will start this new project, my friend said i could borrow his camera so i will post pictures of the finished product and see how you like it
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Reply #3 - Mar 5th, 2010 at 1:16am
 
the 1st one i made had metal blades..it was kinda crude but o well  Grin
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Reply #4 - Mar 5th, 2010 at 7:26am
 
I guess you could always glue single edge razor blades into the handle, that'd be pretty sharp but it'd still not hold up very well to steel on steel.
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Reply #5 - Mar 5th, 2010 at 6:31pm
 
well if you have a few million dollars then maybe you could get people to either

A: make synthetic/man made obsidian that has a tiny amount of microscopic fibers in it to give it some extra durability

B remelt it or just get new rock and melt it to magma. since to make obsidian you need to let it dry over a long period, you get a small window of chance to inject in something like tar or glue to give it better impact resistance
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Reply #6 - Mar 6th, 2010 at 8:17pm
 
The "Spanish" sword used in the video was clearly designed to thrust, and macahuitls are designed for hacking and slashing. I highly doubt that the two would be smacked together as demonstrated in the video. Even when you overlook that, Any edge would be decimated when it makes direct contact with another blade's edge. That's a lot of force that you are applying to such a thin and unfortified area, after all. So instead of blocking or parrying an incoming attack with the macahuitl itself, it's a lot more efficient to deflect with the shield and follow up with the sword to attack.

What I'm saying is, that saying steel is better than obsidian isn't exactly right. When you consider that the two sword styles, designs, and materials the two make use of both have their strengths and weaknesses.


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In my opinion, since the macahuitl isn't optimally designed to smack anything other than bare flesh, the benefits of obsidian's sharpness is a better choice than steel's resiliency. (Not that I'm saying that you shouldn't play around with different materials and designs, mind you.)
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Reply #7 - Mar 7th, 2010 at 3:43am
 
Steel blades will probably loosen up rapidly in a wooden handle. Use a machete.
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Reply #8 - Mar 7th, 2010 at 5:53pm
 
If you intend to cut with the edge of a blade then you will certainly not be parrying edge on. At least in the forms of european swordsmanship and Japanese Koryu I know of all blocking and parrying is done with the flat of the blade. In that case a dense heavy wood (or hard plastic) would need to be swapped for the period acurate wood, but not metal for obsidian. Steel will work, but I just don't see any advantage.
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Pikåru wrote on Nov 19th, 2013 at 6:59pm:
Massi - WTF? It's called a sling. You use it to throw rocks farther and faster than you could otherwise. That's all. 
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Reply #9 - Mar 10th, 2010 at 5:36pm
 
There probably is no real advantage to using steel over obsidian. But then again the whole project is just for fun. I make slings out of natual materials when I know there is a clear advantage using paracord. I just like the way some natural materials look and feel. I use my paracord PJs for maximum performance and hemp/jute just for fun. I say go ahead and try out the steel it sounds like a fun project.
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Reply #10 - Mar 11th, 2010 at 12:49pm
 
got the plans drawn for it today Grin soon i will go to the junk yard to see if i can find some suitable steel for forging the blades
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Reply #11 - Mar 11th, 2010 at 12:53pm
 
sorry about the huge picture i dont know how to resise pictures Sad but at least you can get a good close-up Smiley
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Reply #12 - Mar 11th, 2010 at 5:09pm
 
you know how to forge? or your parents even let you forge? lucky man.

i'd think maybe you could have a small tooth coming out of it to stick into the wood.
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Reply #13 - Mar 11th, 2010 at 5:57pm
 
heres a resized pic.
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Reply #14 - Mar 11th, 2010 at 6:27pm
 
thank you Cheesy and how did ya do that im more of a traditional person then a technology person i find computers rather frusterating
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