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Dec 30th, 2009 at 1:22pm
 
...of David slinging. They may have been posted before. They were new to me, though.

This one is from Akdamar, Turkey. A 10th-century Armenian relief. The slinging style looks "Byzantine" to me.
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Reply #1 - Dec 30th, 2009 at 1:25pm
 
And a 12th-century-work of art from Vézélay cathedral, France.
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Reply #2 - Dec 30th, 2009 at 2:29pm
 
Armenian church ?
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Reply #4 - Dec 30th, 2009 at 4:45pm
 
I think I saw it in the movie Ararat, by Atom Egoyan
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Reply #5 - Dec 31st, 2009 at 11:07am
 
There was an Etruscan Tomb found in the 18th cent. One of the tombs has elaborate bas reliefs on it, so is called the tomb of the bas reliefs. Hanging from one of the pillars is a bas relief of a sling. It looks Balearic, but there is an additional cord running up the middle of the cradle area. It's dated to the 4th cent, BC
www.mysteriousetruscans.com/caerbas.html
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Reply #6 - Dec 31st, 2009 at 2:51pm
 
Ingenious. How do we know it's a sling ? (rather than a tool). Just asking-- sling looks likely enough.
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Reply #7 - Dec 31st, 2009 at 5:53pm
 
All of the objects carved on that pillar are supposed to be weapons. Plus, what kind of tool could it be?
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Reply #8 - Dec 31st, 2009 at 6:38pm
 
The pillar with the "sling", if I'm not mistaken, shows not weapons, but agricultural tools, I think. So so kind of strap or muzzle ?
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Reply #9 - Dec 31st, 2009 at 6:55pm
 
Thearos wrote on Dec 31st, 2009 at 6:38pm:
The pillar with the "sling", if I'm not mistaken, shows not weapons, but agricultural tools, I think. So so kind of strap or muzzle ?

...Or a sling, used in Pastoralism.
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Reply #10 - Jan 1st, 2010 at 7:01am
 
Very good points, Thearos and Masiakasaurus. I had automatically associated a sword and a war axe, but the "weapons" could as well be for agricultural purposes. It would be nice to have pictures of all sides of the pillar.

It's difficult to get a really good look at the hanging "tool" or "weapon". If it is a sling, one of the cords is considerably longer than the other one. This might be due to the fact that the retention cord has to be wrapped around the wrist or the hand as there is no toggle or loop.

It seems to me, however, that behind the 3-split-section there is something like another 3-split-section (vaguely shaped). It would then rather look like an agricultural (equestrian?) item, as Thearos proposed. And it would complement the "belt" and the "rope" on the same side of the pillar.
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Reply #11 - Jan 20th, 2010 at 7:38am
 
It looks like a sling, but it is a bit odd that one side is way longer. Also that sword looks more like some sort of agricultural tool too.
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Reply #12 - Jan 22nd, 2010 at 8:11am
 
Long flexible looking thing on the far left is a thresher for grain. Like a pair of stupidly proportioned nunchuku.

Blade puts me in mind of typically deep bellied work blades like machete, cane knives, seax and kukri. Many ancient short swords had more or less the same design though. I notice no real guard though, and if that's a sling equal pride of place is given to a simple coil of rope and a water jug for watering in seeds.

Could be a sling. Many trades and pasttimes rely on knotted, braided, looped bits of cord. Aussie bush bridles are made almost entirely off 4 strand braids and good will. I'd need to know more about how the average Etruscan farmer got his fresh cut grain back to the homestead at the end of a day before discounting it as being a loop-intended length of baling twine though.
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Reply #13 - Mar 16th, 2010 at 8:38pm
 
Sorry for the late reply, but I've got a sling that looks just like this.  It's supposed to be a reproduction of an Etruscan sling.  Its got a three strand pouch as well, and looks suspciously like the one in the relief.

http://paleoplanet69529.yuku.com/topic/23430/t/300-BC-Etruscan-Sling-Reproductio...
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Reply #14 - Mar 18th, 2010 at 7:45am
 
there's a whole thread about the pillar carvings.

looks like a sling to me - but could also be a headband used to aid carrying big stuff on your back.
Or a headband that doubles as a sling.

Given that these are all 'virtual' grave goods - it would make sense to have a sling.
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