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Reply #15 - Dec 8th, 2009 at 3:18pm
 
A potter friend set me up with a big 'ole clay brick and a sealed plastic bag (forget what the company name is) loaded with all the tools and implements a neophyte potter needs to get started. Included in the bag is a (you guessed it) garrote. A nice one with wooden handles! It's used to slice clay from the brick.  Wink

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Reply #16 - Dec 8th, 2009 at 3:32pm
 
A stick with a rope tied from end to end with a little slack is also a classic garrote,  place around the neck and twist the stick...bloodless death should happen almost instantly.
Another classic is a piece of paracord with a mini mag lite tied  in one end and a solid writing pen in the other.
This things has no cutting effect, but still....dangerous and not toys.
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Reply #17 - Dec 8th, 2009 at 3:52pm
 
Liberty dog wrote on Dec 7th, 2009 at 10:56pm:
xxkid123 wrote on Dec 7th, 2009 at 6:36pm:
how exactly would you garotte someone? like, the knot or string use method (standard nose, snare, slipknot). and lastly, would some thin but strong duct tape cord or hemp work? maybe fishing line like stuff except weaker? is their a good amount of break weight to have? and i won't garrote someone...and least not too bad Cheesy


is this just a question for information? or are you looking for a solution to a problem?.....lol


Actually in doomwhite by Brian jaques they used a garrote like thing, then in Saga (anther good book) an assassin uses it. i got curious after that...
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Reply #18 - Dec 8th, 2009 at 4:57pm
 
walter wrote on Dec 8th, 2009 at 3:18pm:
A potter friend set me up with a big 'ole clay brick and a sealed plastic bag (forget what the company name is) loaded with all the tools and implements a neophyte potter needs to get started. Included in the bag is a (you guessed it) garrote. A nice one with wooden handles! It's used to slice clay from the brick.  Wink

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THos are garrote? i see 5 of those im my art class! great to know i can kill with em now aint it  Roll Eyes
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Reply #19 - Dec 9th, 2009 at 5:25am
 
Again: Sometimes I'm getting worried on this forum.
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Reply #20 - Dec 9th, 2009 at 11:36am
 
Fundibularius wrote on Dec 9th, 2009 at 5:25am:
Again: Sometimes I'm getting worried on this forum.

I know. I tried to play up the dangerous "don't do this" part to no avail.
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Massi - WTF? It's called a sling. You use it to throw rocks farther and faster than you could otherwise. That's all. 
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Reply #21 - Dec 9th, 2009 at 3:36pm
 
i never said i was going to use one...at least not much more then with some string and the chair i'm sitting on to see the chances of getting a piece of cord over some moving object...
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Reply #22 - Dec 9th, 2009 at 6:14pm
 
I would do it like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMQR8RVe4KM but don't see the point when you can put the victim in a full rear naked choke and have the same effect minus the blood if using a piano wire or wood saw. I think it's an out dated old world weapon
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Reply #23 - Dec 9th, 2009 at 7:04pm
 
JerrySlinger wrote on Dec 9th, 2009 at 6:14pm:
I would do it like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMQR8RVe4KM but don't see the point when you can put the victim in a full rear naked choke and have the same effect minus the blood if using a piano wire or wood saw. I think it's an out dated old world weapon

It's harder to get the leverage needed to break a garrote than it is to get out of a joint lock (or choke hold) of any kind. Also, the blood is a good thing. Bleeding lowers blood pressure, weakens the muscles, makes it harder to escape, and takes only seconds to kill as opposed to 2 minutes for choking. Also, if someone is suspicious and tries to block the garrote they end up with a slashed wrist and a useless hand. Having a cut throat also keeps victims from screaming if they do manage to escape giving the attacker a second chance. Garrotes are also easily concealed and can be used as tools if needed.
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Pikåru wrote on Nov 19th, 2013 at 6:59pm:
Massi - WTF? It's called a sling. You use it to throw rocks farther and faster than you could otherwise. That's all. 
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Reply #24 - Dec 9th, 2009 at 11:12pm
 
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If you suspect someone is behind you, sneaking, attempting to garrote you, simply stroke your chin (it may help to feign detached thoughtfulness) with one hand, taking care not to remove it or create any gap. You may be standing, walking or sitting still. Keep on with this action, as the would-be attacker will likely become impatient and have no choice other than to give up and leave, having had no suitable vulnerable target present itself for the entire duration of the plot.


Curious Aardvark wrote on Dec 8th, 2009 at 12:31pm:
Unless it's me and I'll do it anyway and slice through anything blocking the way.


It would hurt, but I don't think it would go all the way through.  While the hand was injured, it would act as a barrier to the neck/throat, so that horrific screaming (automatic and guaranteed) would be heard for quite a ways, which would remove much of the advantage of using a garrote. Also, that wouldn't be the end of it
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Curious Aardvark wrote on Dec 8th, 2009 at 12:31pm:
Also I might tickle you first, thus causing you to move your hand.

This is much better, but I am afraid you may lose hold on one of the grips.  Even if you don't, I will curl up reflexively as is normal, elbows going in which leaves two hands near the face-- you'll have to act fast (tricky timing/angle/small space/quick movement), and you may still end up getting a hand in there.  If you DO get the hand inside the loop, more likely than staying on the hand (if facing towards the face) due to curvature of hand, it may slide and land upwards (getting me  on the teeth) or down (on the wrist).  Still not ideal, but very original and possible if you're well rehearsed (which I fully assume you are Smiley )
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Curious Aardvark wrote on Dec 8th, 2009 at 12:31pm:
Mind you at the end of the day I'd probably simply bludgeon you with a big club. It's more my style Smiley


I much prefer this way, as the comfort level is profoundly higher.  Effective, sweet.  Also, I've heard from others that this is just your thing

So, when's the next meet up Cheesy ?
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Reply #25 - Dec 10th, 2009 at 4:10am
 
Masiakasaurus wrote on Dec 9th, 2009 at 7:04pm:
JerrySlinger wrote on Dec 9th, 2009 at 6:14pm:
I would do it like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMQR8RVe4KM but don't see the point when you can put the victim in a full rear naked choke and have the same effect minus the blood if using a piano wire or wood saw. I think it's an out dated old world weapon

It's harder to get the leverage needed to break a garrote than it is to get out of a joint lock (or choke hold) of any kind. Also, the blood is a good thing. Bleeding lowers blood pressure, weakens the muscles, makes it harder to escape, and takes only seconds to kill as opposed to 2 minutes for choking. Also, if someone is suspicious and tries to block the garrote they end up with a slashed wrist and a useless hand. Having a cut throat also keeps victims from screaming if they do manage to escape giving the attacker a second chance. Garrotes are also easily concealed and can be used as tools if needed.

Sounds like a bloody mess to me, choking a a person to death while they squirm and spirt blood from their throat and being covered in potentally dangerous blood. Why not just use a knife, shovel or tomahawk if we are going there? When was the last time you have seen troops being taught to use a garrot for sentry removal? I am just saying it would be my last choice.
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Reply #26 - Dec 10th, 2009 at 11:58am
 
As I recall, the primary use of the weapon during WWII was by "irregular" forces (partisans, resistance fighters, etc.) primarily as a means of getting better weapons.  Take out a sentry-gain a Mauser or Schmiesser.

The very same idea as the "Liberator" pistol; the cheap, stamped-steel single-shot .45 pistol that was made in large numbers for distribution to resistance fighters and such during the war.
(Evidently, a rather large number of these went missing, and were never accounted for!)
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Reply #27 - Dec 10th, 2009 at 1:28pm
 
The Soviets used to teach their irregular infantry, and I think Spetznaz too, to use wire-saws as garrotes. They also taught them to hold their knives backwards to make it easier to slash a throat from behind. I have no idea about the Russian Army or the former Eastern Bloc countries. The British SAS are issued wire saws also so it wouldn't be a huge leap to think that they are trained to use them as more than tools.
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Pikåru wrote on Nov 19th, 2013 at 6:59pm:
Massi - WTF? It's called a sling. You use it to throw rocks farther and faster than you could otherwise. That's all. 
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Reply #28 - Dec 10th, 2009 at 1:50pm
 
Among the nastier pieces of equipment in my wife´s repertoire; a fetotome, basically a saw wire with steel handles on each end. Last spring I used that to shorthen the horns of a fully grown icelandic ram...
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Reply #29 - Dec 10th, 2009 at 3:54pm
 
It could also be cord, with a loop ending in a slipknot. The more the victim struggles, the tighter it gets.
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