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Dec 7th, 2009 at 6:36pm
 
how exactly would you garotte someone? like, the knot or string use method (standard nose, snare, slipknot). and lastly, would some thin but strong duct tape cord or hemp work? maybe fishing line like stuff except weaker? is their a good amount of break weight to have? and i won't garrote someone...and least not too bad Cheesy
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Re: Garottes
Reply #1 - Dec 7th, 2009 at 7:02pm
 
i gotta say, this is one seriously suspicious post, almost as much as my exsplosives post way back!
i have no idea, but i remebmer that bein a move in world of warcraft, but it used a sword or dager, so i have no clue.
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Reply #2 - Dec 7th, 2009 at 8:24pm
 
Garrote, like shank, is both a noun and a verb. A garrote is a long thin wire usually made of copper small enough in diameter to cut under pressure yet thick enough to not snap. To garrote is to loop a wire or string around someone's neck from behind and pull upward violently. An alternative definition is a chair with a tourniquet like device used to slowly apply pressure on one's neck as a means of torture. THERE IS NO WAY TO SAFELY FAKE GARROTE SOMEONE. DO NOT TRY! Garrotes were used for assassination because if done right you would both choke and bleed from your jugular.
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Reply #3 - Dec 7th, 2009 at 10:07pm
 
Masiaka is essentially correct; the garrote is entirely an assassination weapon.   In fact, the term "assassin" was applied to a group of warriors who, according to legend, used a strangling cord extensively.
In modern use, a length of strong wire (often music wire or "piano" wire) is fastened between two short handles.     The device kills primarily by cutting...  Very nasty.
The idea of course not only to eliminate the enemy but to take his weapon.

More versatile is the Japanese manriki consisting of two small weights connected by a chain.  The thing can strike blows, block or parry an opponent's blows, entangle or trap, and of course strangle.
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Reply #4 - Dec 7th, 2009 at 10:56pm
 
xxkid123 wrote on Dec 7th, 2009 at 6:36pm:
how exactly would you garotte someone? like, the knot or string use method (standard nose, snare, slipknot). and lastly, would some thin but strong duct tape cord or hemp work? maybe fishing line like stuff except weaker? is their a good amount of break weight to have? and i won't garrote someone...and least not too bad Cheesy


is this just a question for information? or are you looking for a solution to a problem?.....lol
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Reply #5 - Dec 8th, 2009 at 2:36am
 

The garotte is seriously scary stuff: http://www.donrearic.com/thegarrotte.html
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Reply #6 - Dec 8th, 2009 at 3:54am
 
Bikewer wrote on Dec 7th, 2009 at 10:07pm:
Masiaka is essentially correct; the garrote is entirely an assassination weapon.   In fact, the term "assassin" was applied to a group of warriors who, according to legend, used a strangling cord extensively.

   I believe your thinking about the thugee (sp???) cult in India who use ritualized murder with a cord as a form of religious devotion to Kali. Assassin I thinks is a word that originates from the middle east.  I remember reading Freya Stark's travel log "The Valleys of the Assassins", a great book written in 1934, where she travels around the Syria area looking for a mythical hideout of the Assassins.
 
Either way a garrote is an excellent way to kill someone if such things can be said, as typically with a good pull you can very nearly sever someone's head.  Its probably not one of the best ideas to play around with it as a little too much pressure could end in a very serious injury.

In other new's "Garote" is a style of stick used in the Filipino Martial Arts,  It is traditionally made out of hardwood "Bahi or kamagong" and has an elliptical profile.  This gives is an edge like quality which concentrated the force of a blow.  The edge combined with the weight of the stick virtually guarantees broken bones.  These were the sticks escrimadors would use in death match fights in the Philippines up until the end of WW2.

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Reply #7 - Dec 8th, 2009 at 4:18am
 
If you suspect someone is behind you, sneaking, attempting to garrote you, simply stroke your chin (it may help to feign detached thoughtfulness) with one hand, taking care not to remove it or create any gap. You may be standing, walking or sitting still. Keep on with this action, as the would-be attacker will likely become impatient and have no choice other than to give up and leave, having had no suitable vulnerable target present itself for the entire duration of the plot.
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Reply #8 - Dec 8th, 2009 at 7:58am
 
If you have seen the show Dexter, in the first season he often ambushes people with a garrote-type attack used only for deprivation of air instead of asphyxiation and bleeding. Most simply, it is a thin length of metal wire attached to 2 handles used by crossing your arms so it loops, drop it over their head, and then pull your ams back and apart as far as possible.

Also, the origin of the word assassin is shrouded in a lot of myth and belief. One of the most common origins i have heard is it related to a sect of paid killers who would put themselves under the effects of hashish before making the hit on their target. They became known as the sect or cult of the hashasins, which then easily morphed into assassins to describe all hired contract killers.
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Reply #9 - Dec 8th, 2009 at 11:03am
 
Hehe- I read the Wiki on the history of the term...It's complex and mostly shrouded in folklore.  Evidently there's little evidence of drug-stoked killers; more like what we call "asymmetrical warfare" today.
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Reply #10 - Dec 8th, 2009 at 12:31pm
 
If we're going for method I'd use the crossed hands method. Gives you a serious amount of pull.
And I don't think you can beat the good old piano wire and wooden toggles model.

It's quick and if they manage to get their fingers in the way - should slice through.

Theoretically - of course Wink

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If you suspect someone is behind you, sneaking, attempting to garrote you, simply stroke your chin (it may help to feign detached thoughtfulness) with one hand, taking care not to remove it or create any gap. You may be standing, walking or sitting still. Keep on with this action, as the would-be attacker will likely become impatient and have no choice other than to give up and leave, having had no suitable vulnerable target present itself for the entire duration of the plot.

Unless it's me and I'll do it anyway and slice through anything blocking the way.
Also I might tickle you first, thus causing you to move your hand.

Mind you at the end of the day I'd probably simply bludgeon you with a big club. It's more my style Smiley
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Reply #11 - Dec 8th, 2009 at 1:25pm
 
Axe handle vs skull, skull loses every time.  Shocked

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Also brings visions of Inglorious Basterds the "Bear Jew" teeing off on a German officers head with a baseball bat.
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Reply #12 - Dec 8th, 2009 at 1:46pm
 
Masiakasaurus wrote on Dec 7th, 2009 at 8:24pm:
An alternative definition is a chair with a tourniquet like device used to slowly apply pressure on one's neck as a means of torture. THERE IS NO WAY TO SAFELY FAKE GARROTE SOMEONE. DO NOT TRY! Garrotes were used for assassination because if done right you would both choke and bleed from your jugular.


That's how the Spaniards executed Atahualpa, the last Inca. They sat him on a chair with the rope arround his neck, then strangled him with torsion. In fact , he was set to be burned alive, but at the last moment, he converted to Christian faith and sentenced to Garrote instead.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garrote
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Reply #13 - Dec 8th, 2009 at 2:41pm
 
Two names came to my mind when I read the subject: Atahualpa and Luca Brasi. Wink
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Reply #14 - Dec 8th, 2009 at 2:54pm
 
Lucca Brasi sleeps with the fishes.

The good ol' stab in the hand followed by a piano wire through the neck. Classic!
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