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Slings at the Battle of Falkirk
Dec 1^st, 2009 at 4:56pm

1298, and it's the battle of Falkirk. William Wallace on one side, Edward Longshanks on the other. Wallace has erected schiltrons, so the cavalry is ineffective
Solution? Archers and slingers!
"Stoutly the Scots stood, shoulder to shoulder;and though the infantry came up, and showers of cloth yard shafts were shot point blank into the ranks of Wallace, while with a storm of stones, the Welsh and Irish ( they fought on the side of the English) slingers plied their missles securely from behind, they could not penetrate that wall of spears. "
From Robert Gunn, for the Clan Wallace Society

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David Morningstar Slinging.org Moderator Offline Slinging Rocks! Posts: 3429 UK	Re: Slings at the Battle of Falkirk Reply #1 - Dec 1^st, 2009 at 5:38pm Well, I didnt know that! Well found, Mr Badger.
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Fundibularius Interfector Viris Spurii Offline Sultan of Sling Posts: 1385 Inter Mosam ac Rhenum Gender:	Re: Slings at the Battle of Falkirk Reply #2 - Dec 1^st, 2009 at 5:41pm The movie lied!!!
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slingbadger Interfector Viris Spurii Offline Don't Badger a Badger Posts: 3228 Akron NY Gender:	Re: Slings at the Battle of Falkirk Reply #3 - Dec 1^st, 2009 at 8:28pm Fundibularius wrote on Dec 1^st, 2009 at 5:41pm: The movie lied!!! And you expect reality in Hollywood?
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Fundibularius Interfector Viris Spurii Offline Sultan of Sling Posts: 1385 Inter Mosam ac Rhenum Gender:	Re: Slings at the Battle of Falkirk Reply #4 - Dec 2^nd, 2009 at 5:53am slingbadger wrote on Dec 1^st, 2009 at 8:28pm: Fundibularius wrote on Dec 1^st, 2009 at 5:41pm: The movie lied!!! And you expect reality in Hollywood? Ah, come on. Next thing you're gonna tell me is that Bambi never really existed.
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slingbadger Interfector Viris Spurii Offline Don't Badger a Badger Posts: 3228 Akron NY Gender:	Re: Slings at the Battle of Falkirk Reply #5 - Dec 2^nd, 2009 at 7:51am Actually, Walt Disney shot him and had his head mounted on the wall, right next to the 7 dwarfs.
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Re: Slings at the Battle of Falkirk
Reply #6 - Dec 2^nd, 2009 at 8:40am

Very sad. But it might explain why none of them answered to my letters.

Back to topic: Jaegoor told me that the Parzival, a German epic from the early 13th century, also mentions Welsh (!!!) slingers as famed for their skills. I was quite surprised. Maybe Ill try to make a translation of the passage.

Nowadays the sling seems forgotten here. Actually, afaik there is only one native slinger left in Wales, our co-member adsi.

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Jaegoor Interfector Viris Spurii Offline Slinging Rocks! Posts: 2832 Gender:	Re: Slings at the Battle of Falkirk Reply #7 - Dec 4^th, 2009 at 5:51am this is right. it will also fling from frauen reported which
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winkleried Interfector Viris Spurii Offline Posts: 1535 Norman Oklahoma Gender:	Re: Slings at the Battle of Falkirk Reply #8 - Dec 4^th, 2009 at 9:34pm Ya forgot after feeding his carcass to Goofy and Pluto...... Marc Adkins slingbadger wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2009 at 7:51am: Actually, Walt Disney shot him and had his head mounted on the wall, right next to the 7 dwarfs.
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Re: Slings at the Battle of Falkirk
Reply #9 - Dec 4^th, 2009 at 9:36pm

Thanks for finding that Badger. I will have to include it in my Ground School class. Going to be 2 hours this year if we can ever get a bleeping site......

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slingbadger wrote on Dec 1^st, 2009 at 4:56pm:

1298, and it's the battle of Falkirk. William Wallace on one side, Edward Longshanks on the other. Wallace has erected schiltrons, so the cavalry is ineffective
Solution? Archers and slingers!
"Stoutly the Scots stood, shoulder to shoulder;and though the infantry came up, and showers of cloth yard shafts were shot point blank into the ranks of Wallace, while with a storm of stones, the Welsh and Irish ( they fought on the side of the English) slingers plied their missles securely from behind, they could not penetrate that wall of spears. "
From Robert Gunn, for the Clan Wallace Society

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Fundibularius Interfector Viris Spurii Offline Sultan of Sling Posts: 1385 Inter Mosam ac Rhenum Gender:	Re: Slings at the Battle of Falkirk Reply #11 - Dec 9^th, 2009 at 5:24am Off the top of my head and looking around: Welsh slingers because they were poor and the only thing abundant here was/is sheeps' wool? And rain, of course...
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Re: Slings at the Battle of Falkirk
Reply #12 - Dec 9^th, 2009 at 6:23am

Fundibularius wrote on Dec 9^th, 2009 at 5:24am:

Off the top of my head and looking around: Welsh slingers because they were poor and the only thing abundant here was/is sheeps' wool? And rain, of course...

The Archaeological Journal of 1869 mentions "... that the people of Anglesey to this day are most skilful in throwing stones." In the context the author apparently means with a sling.

- not much more that this short mention (look for this via Google Books)

- Fundibularius, you need to go to the real Wales, not the almost English bit Wink

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Re: Slings at the Battle of Falkirk
Reply #13 - Dec 9^th, 2009 at 10:57am

wanderer wrote on Dec 9^th, 2009 at 6:23am:

The Archaeological Journal of 1869 mentions "... that the people of Anglesey to this day are most skilful in throwing stones." In the context the author apparently means with a sling.

- Fundibularius, you need to go to the real Wales, not the almost English bit Wink

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Thanks for the hint with Anglesey, wanderer. Hope I'll get there one day. 1869 is rather recent.

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Re: Slings at the Battle of Falkirk
Reply #14 - Dec 10^th, 2009 at 11:44pm

Actually the Portsmouth (?) area was famous for it's slingers up to the 19th Century.....

The UK slingers can help me out here. I'm out in the field don't have any of my sources handy ( Read i don't have my personal Laptop).

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Thearos wrote on Dec 8^th, 2009 at 7:44pm:

I suppose Welsh, and Irish, slingers, in this battle (C14th, no ?) go back in direct line to celtic slinging traditions, that disappeared in other parts of the British isles with the Roman conquest and the end of hillfort cultures ?

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