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Nov 21^st, 2009 at 5:19pm

With some sports, like slinging, golf, bowling, etc., tiny little things can make big differences. Where is your elbow when you release? In the past mine could be flopping around anywhere. About two weeks ago I started collapsing it in toward my heart on the release. This is only for overhanded styles. At first it felt lazy/wrong. It only took a couple of shots before I noticed a dramatic improvement in accuracy and a bit more power. I suppose the accuracy comes from the fact that power is coming easier and my elbow is in the exact same place (as far to the left as possible) every time I release, removing one variable.
Is this standard? Does anyone else do this? If not, give it a try. It might help. I'm off to youtube now to see if DM, pj, and a few others do it.

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Rat Man Slinging.org Administrator Offline Slinging Rocks! Posts: 13682 New Jersey, USA Gender:	Re: A Little Thing Reply #1 - Nov 21^st, 2009 at 5:45pm I just checked out pj, c_a, slingbadger, and DM on youtube and apparently they don't do it, or at least not in the vids that I watched. I'm curious if there's a reason why not, if they have even thought about where their elbow is, if they do it for particular shots, if anyone has tried it besides me, etc.............
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Aussie Past Moderator Offline Joined Nov. 1, 2006 Luke 14:14 Posts: 3265 Melbourne, Australia Gender:	Re: A Little Thing Reply #2 - Nov 23^rd, 2009 at 6:36am Afraid I can't visualise what you mean by collapsing it towards your heart, however anything that gives consistency of form has to be good. Have a look at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAfMtLgGNDg ; and please comment. I find this style gives me the best accuracy.
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Reply #3 - Nov 23^rd, 2009 at 7:50am

Your side armed style is sort of what I'm working toward. Right now, unless I'm using the Apache style, I twirl a bit, which I know is a beginner's thing and wastes time and energy along with telegraphing your location if hunting. Your style looks comfortable and economical. What I'm talking about is bringing your wind up and arm in a bit tighter to your body so that your elbow is over your chest when you release. I really should get my wife or someone to shoot a video of me slinging so I can see if my elbow is actually as close in as it feels. When I release this way it seems easier and there's an obvious increase in my accuracy. Kali is howling to go out and I must obey. Thanks for answering my thread.

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Reply #4 - Nov 24^th, 2009 at 2:56pm

I pull my elbow in to my side right befor i let fly this to is only for over head shots but i go from over head to a side arm relese pull my elbow in to my side then up to my heart as i relese using my hand to get a faster spin on the last half of that rotation using this i get better accuracy and more power using this i can crack a tennis ball open allmost every time when shot at a wall from 50ft so u are not the only one to do this or the only one to sit and think about it all day i do it to Grin

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Hanbaal Junior Member Offline Just another medieval cyberpunk Posts: 80 Australia mate Gender:	Re: A Little Thing Reply #5 - Nov 25^th, 2009 at 8:59am Im pretty sure i do that too. I reckon your right about the power and accuracy. Say, i release with my arm still slightly bent. Does anyone else do that?
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Reply #6 - Nov 25^th, 2009 at 3:21pm

Hanbaal wrote on Nov 25^th, 2009 at 8:59am:

Im pretty sure i do that too. I reckon your right about the power and accuracy.

Say, i release with my arm still slightly bent. Does anyone else do that?

Yes, it seems like I get a bit more power if I don't unbend completely plus, I'm not a medical professional, but I'm pretty sure it's easier on your joints.

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Reply #7 - Nov 26^th, 2009 at 12:49am

Rat Man wrote on Nov 21^st, 2009 at 5:19pm:

With some sports, like slinging, golf, bowling, etc., tiny little things can make big differences. Where is your elbow when you release? In the past mine could be flopping around anywhere. About two weeks ago I started collapsing it in toward my heart on the release. This is only for overhanded styles. At first it felt lazy/wrong. It only took a couple of shots before I noticed a dramatic improvement in accuracy and a bit more power. I suppose the accuracy comes from the fact that power is coming easier and my elbow is in the exact same place (as far to the left as possible) every time I release, removing one variable.
Is this standard? Does anyone else do this? If not, give it a try. It might help. I'm off to youtube now to see if DM, pj, and a few others do it.

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There was a time when I was really proficient with overarm, hammering my stones with a whip-crack. If I remember correctly, I actually did something quite similar. It made the sling take a really tight curve, getting those g-forces up for the stone.

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Aussie Past Moderator Offline Joined Nov. 1, 2006 Luke 14:14 Posts: 3265 Melbourne, Australia Gender:	Re: A Little Thing Reply #8 - Nov 26^th, 2009 at 3:43am Just posted another video taken about a year ago. In this Fig.8 I notice that the final position of the right elbow is fairly well over the central chest. Sorry, the initial backswing has been cut a bit and the picture quality is a little down as it was an overcast day. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJut8_nK6GQ
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Re: A Little Thing
Reply #9 - Nov 26^th, 2009 at 6:23am

Rat Man wrote on Nov 25^th, 2009 at 3:21pm:

Hanbaal wrote on Nov 25^th, 2009 at 8:59am:

Im pretty sure i do that too. I reckon your right about the power and accuracy.

Say, i release with my arm still slightly bent. Does anyone else do that?

Yes, it seems like I get a bit more power if I don't unbend completely plus, I'm not a medical professional, but I'm pretty sure it's easier on your joints.

Yeah, you really dont want to be snapping your arm out. Hmm, i dont think theres anything where you should do that!

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ilovepancakes Interfector Viris Spurii Offline Virginia Slings- "You've slung a long way, baby! Posts: 1237 Virginia Gender:	Re: A Little Thing Reply #10 - Nov 26^th, 2009 at 8:19pm I think I have been pulling my elbow in for accuracy. I will report back on it.
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timann Interfector Viris Spurii Offline Slinging Rocks! Posts: 2504 Norway Gender:	Re: A Little Thing Reply #11 - Nov 27^th, 2009 at 4:17pm I have also delved into this, but find it best to not worry too much about specific body parts. I find it best to focus on making the whole body move as smooth and economical as possible, and then hopefully elbows and all other body parts will be where they should be at the right time, without any flopping about. timann
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Curious Aardvark Forum Moderation Offline Taller than the average Dwarf Posts: 13965 Midlands England Gender:	Re: A Little Thing Reply #12 - Nov 28^th, 2009 at 10:39am MY elbow is generally in the right place Having had it hammered into me - sometimes quite painfully for the last 10 years - 'keep your elbow in ! ' by my tai chi teacher, I'm guessing it's where it ought to be.
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Reply #13 - Nov 28^th, 2009 at 11:53am

It's interesting that you should mention that, c_a. Probably martial arts training is what gave me the idea to try it. I took Taekwondo prior to my army days and once in the service I took a hodgepodge of styles. In any case martial arts could very well be where the notion, at least for me, came from.
My daughter is about to start Tai Chi. It sounds very interesting from her description.

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Fundibularius Interfector Viris Spurii Offline Sultan of Sling Posts: 1385 Inter Mosam ac Rhenum Gender:	Re: A Little Thing Reply #14 - Nov 28^th, 2009 at 12:05pm I agree with timann. Concentrating on single body parts would confuse me more than it would help. I try to get an acceptable "holistic" action. Personal taste, surely.
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