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Sep 4th, 2009 at 2:20pm
 
During a recent trip abroad, I stopped at Roman Vindolanda on Hadrian's Wall, near Chesterholm, England. They have there a very fine small museum of artefacts recovered from the site. Among them, in a case of leather goods I spotted what must be a sling pouch. Though I have heard of the Vindolanda sling I have never, as I can recall, actually seen it. The item was unlabeled and described only as being among "various patches of leather, etc..." or somesuch.

Please forgive the poor image quality. Photography was expressly forbidden so this was taken surreptitiously from the hip. I did not see any more information on the item in any of the museum catalouges either, so I'm interested to hear more about it, and if it is indeed the sling pouch in question.
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Reply #1 - Sep 4th, 2009 at 3:08pm
 

Win!  Cool

I wonder how it attached? Is that a couple of small holes for sewing through at the upper left hand end?
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Reply #2 - Sep 4th, 2009 at 4:44pm
 
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Photography was expressly forbidden so this was taken surreptitiously from the hip

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Nice pic.
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Reply #3 - Sep 4th, 2009 at 6:23pm
 
Good post, mailemann!
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Reply #4 - Sep 4th, 2009 at 6:34pm
 
Sweet we actually have a photo of one of the slings from there. If ya look at the photos thread yu will see a replica of another model from there.

I would have posted this over on the Project Goliath Subforum though.

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Reply #5 - Sep 5th, 2009 at 1:12am
 
Please forgive me but at first glance I thought it looked like a sling, but it seems like the holes are rather close together don't they?
It looks to me to be something that a lady might wear in her hair, with a skeewer through the holes to hold it in her hair. I could be wrong. but my wife has something like it that she wears.
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Reply #6 - Sep 5th, 2009 at 10:03am
 
Liberty dog wrote on Sep 5th, 2009 at 1:12am:
Please forgive me but at first glance I thought it looked like a sling, but it seems like the holes are rather close together don't they?
It looks to me to be something that a lady might wear in her hair, with a skeewer through the holes to hold it in her hair. I could be wrong. but my wife has something like it that she wears.


This notion struck me as well when I saw it, but the holes are angled improperly for it to be used this way - at least the way such a thing is used today. The way the leather is formed and the holes placed, it seems to me that it is ideally arranged for a lark's head knot to join thong on either end (with the loop running over the visible outside portion seen here). This would be fast, simple, strong, and not interfere with the embossed design.

But again, I've not yet heard confirmation that this is even undoubtedly a sling pouch, and can only conjecture as to how it might have been used if it were one. I can positively identify the item to the upper right as an archer's finger tab, so it makes sense that related (missile weapon) artefacts would be grouped together.
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Reply #7 - May 5th, 2013 at 8:15am
 
Here is my reconstruction; oriented the same as the photo of the original above.
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Reply #8 - May 5th, 2013 at 8:18am
 
And here is a pic of the interior of the pouch that will hopefully show clearly how the cords are attached.
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Reply #9 - May 5th, 2013 at 8:57am
 
Hope you dont mind, I resized it a bit, interesting reconstruction, wanted to get a better look Wink
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Reply #10 - May 5th, 2013 at 8:58am
 
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Reply #11 - May 5th, 2013 at 9:07am
 
Astonishing-- fixation method to avoid stretch, and leather tooling.
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Reply #12 - May 5th, 2013 at 9:21am
 
MM, that's a great picture and SMP, that is an awesome reconstruction.  How does it throw?
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Reply #13 - May 5th, 2013 at 10:24am
 
No problem, Long Arm Smiley; if my tablet allowed it I would have done it myself.
I never saw a *photo* of the original ( thank you mailman ), but I did see a good line drawing of it - the same illustration is on another thread somewhere. The drawing clearly showed stitch holes at either end of the pouch, but the larger holes for the cords were farther into the body of the pouch than seemed to make sense. But the drawing ( and photo of the artifact ) provided a clue - the leather is pinched on either side, from the pouch ends to the cord holes, as if it was formed around the cords. So this is the method I came up with that answered the problem. I opted for cords made from a standard three strand flat braid in waxed hemp rather than leather because, after all the pouch is preserved, but no leather thongs - if both parts were leather, both should have been preserved within the same deposition. Not necessarily, but likely.
   The only other puzzle now that I see the photo is that the tooling appears to be only incised lines in the artifact photo, but in the line drawing the tooled design is clearly shown as *double* lines throughout, indicating that the tooled design is raised above the surface. So, I followed the illustration, and I can tell you that incising and tooling lines that are only about 1/32 inch ( 1 mm ) apart is difficult and nerve wracking.
      How does it throw? Well, it propels missles down range - I truely am not qualified to give a good assessment, being an indifferent slinger at best. More inclined towards ancient Celtic/Irish weapons - javelins and darts myself.
      I am planning on going to the Sling meeting in southcentral Pennsylvania later this month and I will be certain to bring this sling along.
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Reply #14 - May 5th, 2013 at 12:18pm
 
WOA! nice,nice Maillemann! there were some lead glans that have pretty much the same symbol as the pouch ornament cast on them.
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