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Re: Hunting
Reply #105 - Jul 22nd, 2011 at 11:48pm
 
I agree with xxkid123 and Bill that it's mostly an accuracy problem.

Hunter talk, if you're squeamish don't read:
I don't doubt that a sling stone will break bones, even deer bones. What I doubt is that most people can catch a white tail deer after breaking one of its bones, or even puncturing a lung, without a pretty substantial blood trail to follow (which sling bullets don't do as well as broadhead arrows or bullets do). Deer bolt, fast. Even when they shouldn't still be standing and are about to die, deer can move faster than the average person IMHO. You'd probably have to hit the deer squarely in the eye, the gut away from the ribs (which would ruin a fair bit of meat if the intestines burst), or in the jugular in its neck (iffy) to kill the deer fast enough to have a chance at catching it and I think those shots are too difficult to expect to pull off. Odds are more likely that you sling at and hit the deer in the ribs and puncture a lung, it runs a hundred meters or so (in dense forest), it dies, and you spend the night searching for a deer carcass that may or may not ever be found. Same thing that happens when you shoot at deer with a .22, and definitely not worth the effort if you have any other choices available. I'd definitely focus on trying to find some other animal, like squirrel, turkey, or maybe even javelina (if I'm really desperate or have a death wish) which aren't as resilient as deer. And in the case of javelina, they don't spook as easily as deer do. You may have to learn to sling at something charging at you, but that just makes it more interesting. Tongue
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Massi - WTF? It's called a sling. You use it to throw rocks farther and faster than you could otherwise. That's all. 
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Reply #106 - Jul 23rd, 2011 at 12:03am
 
Morphy wrote on Jul 20th, 2011 at 3:28pm:
I once slung a stone at a squirrel in a tree. I missed the squirrel but the stone went through the tree's trunk and killed a deer on the other side of the field. By the time I got there it was half way through butchering it for me and it insisted on packing it out for me.

I bought it a couple beers later that night and we have stayed in touch ever since. True story... All because I used the Apache style. Don't dis the Apache style Masi. It's here to stay.  Smiley


One day when we're all in the happy hunting ground and we're out there practicing our Apache style, Grandfather's going to turn up and ask, "where did you guys learn such a weird way to sling? Have a tough time killing a rabbit with that!"
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Reply #107 - Jul 23rd, 2011 at 12:23am
 
LOL Right on Aussie... That Figure-7, the hanging figure-8 is my best estimation of what was actually being used by Grandfather. I base that on the fact that I've never seen anyone even come close to the type of power that Grandfather apparently had, and also because the Comanches were neighbors to the Apaches. And the figure-8 is the Comanche style of slinging. It just makes sense to me.

And lastly because I have tried every friggin length of sling from 8 inches to 50 inches and everything in between and I've practiced until my arm was literally so sore I could no longer even lift it above my head. And still, nothing. Not from me, not from any of the videos I've seen of it. Nothing.

I really want it to be true. Really. But I'm terribly skeptical at this point.
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Reply #108 - Jul 23rd, 2011 at 9:50am
 
Maki I think that slinging for large game "back in the day" would have been done with a group of several men say 2 - 5 and that if they all sling at the legs and take out at least 2 it should only take a few seconds to finish the deer off. Is it the most humane thing, no but back then you had to do what was neccesary in order for you and your family to survive.
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Reply #109 - Jul 23rd, 2011 at 10:44am
 
im not sure a head shot is the  only way to take large game with the sling.   it would be the most humane method....but when hunting with your tribe ...or pack or whatever......a solid leg break to slow it down and wear it out could be all thats needed.
no its not the nicest way to hunt.....but maiming, then tracking down prey has been used since we started using weapons to get the advantage over faster, and stronger aminals.
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Reply #110 - Jul 24th, 2011 at 12:31pm
 
Liberty dog wrote on Jul 23rd, 2011 at 10:44am:
im not sure a head shot is the  only way to take large game with the sling.   it would be the most humane method....but when hunting with your tribe ...or pack or whatever......a solid leg break to slow it down and wear it out could be all thats needed.
no its not the nicest way to hunt.....but maiming, then tracking down prey has been used since we started using weapons to get the advantage over faster, and stronger aminals.


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Reply #111 - Aug 21st, 2011 at 10:53am
 
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Reply #112 - Aug 21st, 2011 at 12:55pm
 
The guy from that link says he dropped a 60 pound young boar that was charging him. Says the shot broke his collar bone, he went down squealing and flopping around and was dispatched by a friend wielding a bowie knife. He says after contacting the ranger that he was told the kill was a legal one, I'm assuming because it was charging them and they took it back to camp and butchered it.

It's sometimes tough to know if anything you read is true or not but interesting all the same.
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Reply #113 - Aug 21st, 2011 at 1:30pm
 
I have heard this story the same way in many place so I assume it is mostly true. Hogs are often hunted with just a knife anyway however I would think that it is concievable but as I think the author states ill adviced. But It would probably work pretty well on small game if it works on a hog.  Smiley
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Reply #114 - Aug 21st, 2011 at 2:19pm
 
I'm not going to call anyone a liar, but hitting a small boar that was charging full speed at you would be one heck of a great shot.  It's a bit hard to swallow. I have no doubt that a sling stone could bring down a 60 lb animal, but a shot like the one described?  I dunno.
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Re: Hunting
Reply #115 - Aug 21st, 2011 at 8:17pm
 
Rat Man wrote on Aug 21st, 2011 at 2:19pm:
I'm not going to call anyone a liar, but hitting a small boar that was charging full speed at you would be one heck of a great shot.  It's a bit hard to swallow. I have no doubt that a sling stone could bring down a 60 lb animal, but a shot like the one described?  I dunno.


Vivid imagination. Trouble is with all this survivalist stuff is that someone is going his life someday by wasting his time and strength trying to make a "survival" sling instead of getting himself rescued.
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Reply #116 - Aug 21st, 2011 at 8:26pm
 
Better to spend your time making a shelter, starting a fire and finding drinking water.
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Reply #117 - Aug 22nd, 2011 at 7:47pm
 
As far as hunting hogs with just a knife...don't forget the pack of dogs that bayed the hog and the bulldog that has him by the nose holding him steady while our hero rushes in and stabs the hog. 

A 60 pound hog, killed with a sling while charging?  Why didn't he just wait and then kick him?  The little pig wouldn't have gotten back up very quickly after that either.  They aren't that tough when they are that size.  We used to keep hogs when I was younger, when I would go feed, they would swarm me.  One slammed into me and I kicked him.  Broke a front leg and some ribs, we ate that one early. 

FWIW, this winter, I plan to try small game hunting with a pouch of slightly larger than a golf ball clay glandes and a sling about 2/3rds of a meter long.
I figure that I will miss a lot and learn a lot.  I don't really think the squirrels and rabbits are going to be in any great danger, on the other hand, they aren't completely safe, either.  Bill
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Reply #118 - Aug 22nd, 2011 at 7:59pm
 
Morphy wrote on Aug 21st, 2011 at 12:55pm:
The guy from that link says he dropped a 60 pound young boar that was charging him. Says the shot broke his collar bone, he went down squealing and flopping around and was dispatched by a friend wielding a bowie knife. He says after contacting the ranger that he was told the kill was a legal one, I'm assuming because it was charging them and they took it back to camp and butchered it.

It's sometimes tough to know if anything you read is true or not but interesting all the same.


I can help you out of this dream; This lying bugger doesn´t know much about animal anatomy. Swines (just like horses cats and dogs) don´t have collar bones Grin
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Reply #119 - Aug 22nd, 2011 at 8:12pm
 
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Morphy wrote on Aug 21st, 2011 at 12:55pm:
The guy from that link says he dropped a 60 pound young boar that was charging him. Says the shot broke his collar bone, he went down squealing and flopping around and was dispatched by a friend wielding a bowie knife. He says after contacting the ranger that he was told the kill was a legal one, I'm assuming because it was charging them and they took it back to camp and butchered it.

It's sometimes tough to know if anything you read is true or not but interesting all the same.


I can help you out of this dream; This lying bugger doesn´t know much about animal anatomy. Swines (just like horses cats and dogs) don´t have collar bones Grin

Depends on where he lives. Around the southern united states wild peccaries are also called javelinas or hogs colloquially. Javelinas have very small clavicles, though I imagine that the author is talking about the shoulder blade. They're long and thing in javelinas, and look like human collar bones.
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Pikåru wrote on Nov 19th, 2013 at 6:59pm:
Massi - WTF? It's called a sling. You use it to throw rocks farther and faster than you could otherwise. That's all. 
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