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Re: David's sling
Reply #75 - May 13^th, 2009 at 4:33pm

I put this one on the other discussion, too (easy score) Wink

From what we know about David in his early (and later) years, he was also an excellent kinnor (usually translated "harp") player. On http://cdbaby.com/cd/mlevy ("King David's lyre, echoes from ancient Israel"), I found this:

In Biblical times, the Kinnor was usually made of cypress wood, or in very precious instruments, of sandalwood (I Kings 10: 12; described as "almug"). According to the ancient writings of the Jewish historian Josephus Flavius, who actually witnessed the Kinnor being played by the Levites in the Temple of Jerusalem, the Kinnor had ten strings, made of sheep gut.

Sheep gut strings fit well into the image of the young shepherd who uses materials from his (father's) livestock for his pastime - playing music and slinging. So, for his sling, wool would be a good candidate (I'm not a specialist, but I think that sheep's sinews are too short to be used as sling cords). I suppose either a woven pouch or, less probable, one out of goatskin. Sheepskin to me seems too soft and too thin to be effectively used for a sling pouch.

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Re: David's sling
Reply #78 - May 31^st, 2009 at 5:27pm

xxkid123 wrote on May 12^th, 2009 at 8:08pm:

in one discovery channel thing on whether David could have killed Goliath or not, the scientists concluded that he probably had used a hemp full pouch sling.

On the other hand, this is about whether David could have killed Goliath or not. Which basically asks the question "can a stone from a sling that hits somebody in the forehead from point blank range kill them?". This doesn't exactly require a lot of research.

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Fundibularius Interfector Viris Spurii Offline Sultan of Sling Posts: 1385 Inter Mosam ac Rhenum Gender:	Re: daivid and goliath sling Reply #79 - May 31^st, 2009 at 5:57pm Right. Though a few of the historical documentaries I've seen in three countries are quite ok, a lot of them spread a whole bunch of unproven theories, half-truths, pure nonsense, fancy computer animations and bla-bla from "experts" just to fill their 45 minutes or so. And usually they end up with: Well, we don't know...
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Re: David's sling
Reply #80 - Oct 26^th, 2009 at 1:35pm

winkleried wrote on Sep 1^st, 2007 at 12:41am:

One possibility,
I have leaned towards somesort of plant fiber.
I base this off of that wool is an economic commodity you want to sell as much of it as possible.
There is Plenty of time in a shepards day to harvest the plant seperate the fibers and braid it into a sling.

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hahahaha there isn't a terrible amount of time for anything much other than keeping your sheep out of the trouble that is in the area. Ever tended afew hundred sheep in an open pasture with lions and bears around? Wool is a comidity however so is a life animal and it doesn't take a very measuresble amount to make a sling. Due to Torah regulations he would not mix fibers of plants and animals. It would be either or.

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Re: David's sling
Reply #81 - Oct 26^th, 2009 at 1:42pm

Fundibularius wrote on May 13^th, 2009 at 4:33pm:

I put this one on the other discussion, too (easy score) Wink

From what we know about David in his early (and later) years, he was also an excellent kinnor (usually translated "harp") player.

In Biblical times, the Kinnor was usually made of cypress wood, or in very precious instruments, of sandalwood (I Kings 10: 12; described as "almug"). According to the ancient writings of the Jewish historian Josephus Flavius, who actually witnessed the Kinnor being played by the Levites in the Temple of Jerusalem, the Kinnor had ten strings, made of sheep gut.

this is true the Yosef ha levy (flavius Josephus) knew of the kinnor, however it is also a traditional belief that David designed his own type of lyre. This is traditionaly what is believed he played for Shaul. Just my .02

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Re: David's sling
Reply #82 - Nov 26^th, 2009 at 3:59pm

No not sheep, But I have done it with Cattle in my youth. But we are talking apples and oranges here. Thanks for point that out

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winkleried wrote on Sep 1^st, 2007 at 12:41am:

One possibility,
I have leaned towards somesort of plant fiber.
I base this off of that wool is an economic commodity you want to sell as much of it as possible.
There is Plenty of time in a shepards day to harvest the plant seperate the fibers and braid it into a sling.

Marc Adkins

hahahaha there isn't a terrible amount of time for anything much other than keeping your sheep out of the trouble that is in the area. Ever tended afew hundred sheep in an open pasture with lions and bears around? Wool is a comidity however so is a life animal and it doesn't take a very measuresble amount to make a sling. Due to Torah regulations he would not mix fibers of plants and animals. It would be either or.

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Fundibularius Interfector Viris Spurii Offline Sultan of Sling Posts: 1385 Inter Mosam ac Rhenum Gender:	Re: daivid and goliath sling Reply #83 - Dec 5^th, 2009 at 12:12pm This may have been mentioned before: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQ4HV7JHagg&feature=related Now we know what it was really like...
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Re: daivid and goliath sling
Reply #84 - Mar 26^th, 2012 at 11:37am

People who assume that because David was a sheepherder, or played a harp, that these drove his choice of materials. I doubt this very much. What is clear are the following: as a herder, he'd have covered a lot of ground, and had a lot of free time on his hands. Also, he was from a community and had access to all the materials anyone there had. To think a herder would use an inferior material for one of his most important tools is quite a stretch. But to think he'd have to money to get something from traders from afar (like maybe silk or chamois sinew) would also be a stretch. While we can't tell, I'd prefer to see what traditional herders are using now or in recent memory. We know the Andean ones used wool, but are they more decorative than functional? Better to look at peoples inhabiting areas where there are predators that can take this type of livestock. Sorry that I'm not one who's done that sort of travel or research.
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Morphy Slinging.org Moderator Offline Checkmate Posts: 8102	Re: daivid and goliath sling Reply #85 - Mar 26^th, 2012 at 6:20pm I can assure you wool slings are both very functional and deadly. That's not to say David used one, but at least we can set that particular question aside for now.
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David Morningstar Slinging.org Moderator Offline Slinging Rocks! Posts: 3430 UK	Re: daivid and goliath sling Reply #86 - Mar 27^th, 2012 at 2:39am My Bolivian and Tibetan herders slings are both made of wool (Alpaca and Yak) and are excellent slings. Homer refers to slings of well-twisted wool in the Illiad.
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jlasud Interfector Viris Spurii Offline Programming stones Posts: 2358 Transilvania Gender:	Re: daivid and goliath sling Reply #87 - Mar 27^th, 2012 at 2:41am Come on,did Goliath ask: hey did you just implant this stone in my forehead with a sling made of wool or gutted paracord? IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER
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