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Oct 24th, 2008 at 3:08pm
 
Got a cool idea a while back and I've been toying with a few possibilities.

I want to make a spear.

I have a Mosin Nagant M44 folding bayonet for the head and I am considering aluminum tubing for the shaft.  I have a piece that is 3/4 OD 1/8" wall and would have to sleeve the inside to fit the bayonet shank (.460 OD), but have a piece of thin-wall brass tube that might do.  I'm planning on using JB Weld to fit the point and filling the shaft with expanding foam for added rigidity and possibly counterweighting the butt end for balance if needed.

I have a blade-type SKS bayonet hanging around somewhere that I was going to turn into a throwing knife or the basis for a cool trench knife but may use that for a spearhead instead.
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Reply #1 - Oct 24th, 2008 at 3:28pm
 
sounds like it could work, i say go for it and let us know how it worked.  post pics if you can!  Wink

by the way, be very careful. 

oh and a counterweight is good, but don't make it as heavy as the head or else the spear will feel a little funny.  if i were to counterweight a spear i think i would start with 1/2 weight of the spear head and play with it from there.
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Reply #2 - Oct 24th, 2008 at 4:16pm
 
What are you planning to use for a shaft? That's every bit as important as the spearhead itself
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Reply #3 - Oct 24th, 2008 at 6:00pm
 
Thrusting spear or throwing spear/javelin?  Makes a huge difference in what length to make it relative to your own height, what you want to shaft it with and how you want it to balance...
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Reply #4 - Oct 24th, 2008 at 10:38pm
 
I want to use thick-wall aluminum tubing for a shaft, and thrusting would probably be the most applicable description, although "toad stabber" is what a friend called the bayonet, and I immediately thought "frog gig".
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Reply #5 - Oct 29th, 2008 at 5:30pm
 
i was just thinking...the issue with metal tubing is that with any imperfection in the walls (dents, thin spots, etc) and a hard thrust, there can be failure.  for an exaggeration of this principle stand on an empty coke can careully, then touch the side with a pencil point and watch how quickly it collapses.

wood will probably work best in most applications unless weight is a real concern, and then there are still lightweight strong woods.  you can get good sized wood dowel at most home improvement stores or local hardware stores, take a look around you might find what you want.

also look into bamboo at the same places, or at gardening stores.  it is also strong and light.
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Reply #6 - Oct 29th, 2008 at 6:15pm
 
I was considering bamboo, but I couldn't find a piece that didn't have any cracks.  The piece of aluminum tubing I already have is drawn-over-mandrel structural-grade seamless tubing, 1/8" thick wall 3/4" OD-1/2" ID and is really strong stuff.  In addition I was going to fill the shaft with rigid two-part expanding foam for added strength.  Competition (Olympic) javelins have been made from aluminum for years, as well.

In all honesty, I don't trust hardware store dowels for these kinds of applications.  They are made from a wood called ramin, from SE Asia.  It is a hard wood, but tends to be brittle, and when ramin dowels break, they always seem to break into a very sharp point.  I friend of mine made a replacement ramrod for a black powder gun and ended up with a piece of dowel piercing his hand.  I didn't want to be the guy to say "I told you so", but I did advise him to invest in a length of straight-grain hickory ramrod stock from the Log Cabin Shop, or just buy a synthetic rod (my personal choice).  I would rather deal with a bent shaft that a broken dowel through my hand.
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Reply #7 - Oct 30th, 2008 at 6:39am
 
I would seriously recommend wood. Ash is traditional, and can be obtained through suppliers. It has great longitudinal strength and is very flexible. Both important features for thrusting or throwing. Thy to find the straightest grain possible. Any angling in the grain creates weakness.
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Reply #8 - Dec 21st, 2008 at 1:01am
 
if you haven't already made the spear i would look up waxwood staffs used for martial arts, it might be an exageration but every time i see it it says its unbreakable. im sure it would do good
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Reply #9 - Dec 21st, 2008 at 5:35am
 
Lots of spear construction detail here: http://www.throwzini.com/spears.html
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Reply #10 - Dec 22nd, 2008 at 2:54am
 
slingbadger wrote on Oct 30th, 2008 at 6:39am:
I would seriously recommend wood. Ash is traditional, and can be obtained through suppliers. It has great longitudinal strength and is very flexible. Both important features for thrusting or throwing. Thy to find the straightest grain possible. Any angling in the grain creates weakness.


I wholeheartedly agree. You can't use metal for a spear shaft, that goes completely against the grain (no pun intended). There is a reason that ash was traditionally used, its the best thing for the job. I know there are modern materials that will perform well but in my opinion using anything other than wood takes the heart (again no pun intended) out of the weapon.
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Reply #11 - Mar 13th, 2009 at 8:30pm
 
the other issue of using metal is its lack of elastic properties. Once its bent, truing it is a beast. Ash and Oak are great, and there are places where you can get proper bamboo, but the trick is keeping the ends from fraying. Using a cap on the base will do the trick for the most part, plus its easy to add weight to balance it as a counter weight.
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Reply #12 - Mar 18th, 2009 at 9:36pm
 
Hardwood broom handles are about 5 feet long, and can be found in most hardware stores. Closet rods are usually made from maple, and work well. They come plenty long too. Make sure they are hardwood and not pine, though.

Museum Replicas sells 1 1/4" poles for spears and lances. I actually bought a 2-foot spearhead from them, but I think I'll just go to the lumber store for the wood.

For light throwing spears, I have three ash broom handles, and some garden trowels I bought from a dollar store that was closing. I have some grinding to do to shape the trowel blades into a shape I like, but at .50 a trowel, I can handle that. I like the idea of the bayonet blade though. A hunt through the local thrift stores might get you some good steel fof both throwing and hewing spears.

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Reply #13 - Mar 18th, 2009 at 9:41pm
 
Hardwood broom handles are about 5 feet long, and can be found in most hardware stores. Closet rods are usually made from maple, and work well. They come plenty long too. Make sure they are hardwood and not pine, though.

Museum Replicas sells 1 1/4" poles for spears and lances. I actually bought a 2-foot spearhead from them, but I think I'll just go to the lumber store for the wood.

For light throwing spears, I have three ash broom handles, and some garden trowels I bought from a dollar store that was closing. I have some grinding to do to shape the trowel blades into a shape I like, but at .50 a trowel, I can handle that. I like the idea of the bayonet blade though. A hunt through the local thrift stores might get you some good steel fof both throwing and hewing spears.

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Reply #14 - Mar 19th, 2009 at 9:59am
 
another option is find a young pine or spruce that has died recently and dried while still standing.  Cut it to shape and you have a shaft.  Its light, straight, and has good integrity cause it is whole rather than a section of a tree.

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