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Reply #15 - Nov 8th, 2007 at 8:15pm
 
OH That one was just plain BAAAAAHD ( OK where is the fuzzy sheep emotican when you need it?)

But, he does have a point there are other famous slinging cultures out there.

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DesertPilot wrote on Nov 6th, 2007 at 12:46am:
slingbadger wrote on Nov 5th, 2007 at 10:49am:
The Greeks had Thessalayan  and Lorican mercenary slingers.

Don't forget the island of Rhodes.  Rhodes was famous for its slingers.  I believe they're even mentioned by Xenophon.  And surely that must be where the phrase, "Hit the Rhodes, Jack!" came from...

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Reply #16 - Nov 9th, 2007 at 10:38pm
 
thanks for the Kipling quote, very nice

i'm a great fan of Kipling, but that poem shows up one of his rare, irritating faults; he always assumes that soldiers can't say the letter H
i would recommend george orwell's essay on Kipling, if you haven't already read it.

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Reply #17 - Feb 28th, 2009 at 8:57pm
 
C. Brelaz, Pierre Ducrey, «Une grappe de balles de fronde en plomb à Erétrie. La technique de fabrication des projectiles et l’usage de la fronde en Grèce ancienne», Antike Kunst 46 (2003), p. 99-115.

-- have a few pages on the low status of slingers in Greek society
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Re: The status of slingers in traditional societie
Reply #18 - Mar 1st, 2009 at 3:46am
 
Thearos wrote on Feb 28th, 2009 at 8:57pm:
C. Brelaz, Pierre Ducrey, «Une grappe de balles de fronde en plomb à Erétrie. La technique de fabrication des projectiles et l’usage de la fronde en Grèce ancienne», Antike Kunst 46 (2003), p. 99-115.

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That look like an interesting article, how could I get hold of an English copy?
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Reply #19 - Mar 1st, 2009 at 4:34am
 
The piece is published in French (there might be an English abstract). I  seem to remember their point is that the sling, the arrow, are low status weapons-- cheap, and fight from afar: cowardly, in contrast to close up fighting, which is aristocratic or civic. On this, see e.g. F. Lissarrague, L'Autre Guerrier (1989 ?). Slings and projectile weapons are tactically very useful, but ill regarded (Thuc. 4. can't remember the chapter, shows a Spartan prisoner after Sphakteria callling the arrow "spindle", a term of Spartan contempt); a fragment of Archilochos talks of the Lords of Euboia spurning missile weapons, in favour of manly, "groaning" close ing fighting with swords (projected into a near past rather than descriptive of Arhcilochos' own ti
me, but the more indicative of ideology(. Hence the rarity of images of slingers--and generally of light armed (though there are some peltasts on C5th vases, clearly as "other" warriors-- but there are pictures of "hoplites in ambush")
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Re: The status of slingers in traditional societie
Reply #20 - Mar 2nd, 2009 at 7:21am
 
David Morningstar wrote on Mar 1st, 2009 at 3:46am:
Thearos wrote on Feb 28th, 2009 at 8:57pm:
C. Brelaz, Pierre Ducrey, «Une grappe de balles de fronde en plomb à Erétrie. La technique de fabrication des projectiles et l’usage de la fronde en Grèce ancienne», Antike Kunst 46 (2003), p. 99-115.

-- have a few pages on the low status of slingers in Greek society


That look like an interesting article, how could I get hold of an English copy?


Ditto.

Failing that, is there a reasonable way of laying hands on a French version?
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Reply #21 - Mar 2nd, 2009 at 5:51pm
 
The journal, Antike Kunst, is a Swiss archaeology journal, and should be in research libraries.
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