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Re: Pictures of Slings and Slinging
Reply #3780 - Jul 7th, 2013 at 7:41pm
 
Teg, Raffia IMO is best worked wet. Most of my dry-made raffia slings look bad. Even with fine fibers. What I do now is keep a pan of hot water nearby, and soak each bundle of fibers in it before I weave them, and periodically dunk the sling too. BTW I do it on the deck, not inside.

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Reply #3781 - Jul 7th, 2013 at 9:36pm
 
SSlinger. If you look at Teg's photos it looks like he's got all the bugs worked out for weaving raffia.

I'd like to see some of your work SSlinger.
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Reply #3782 - Jul 8th, 2013 at 8:27am
 
The answer to the question "is something better than another thing" is usually: It depends.
It depends on:
- the technique you work with (I will never try to sew or knot with dry raffia, but I will braid with it)
- How you work (High or low tension, how dense or loose ...)
- When you work
- The effects you want to achieve (density, stability, flexiblity, how fine, resistance against wear and sharp stones, ...)
- The quality of your fibers (size, length, preparation of the fibers, ...)

You can soak your raffia and then dry it again. The structure of the fibers will change. And both fibers ("soaked" and crude one) are "dry".

When I work with raffia I produce a lot of waste. This is because I run the fibers so many times through my fingers that all irregularities are removed and only the strongest fibers remain. For me, this is easier to do when the fibers are dry. Then why should I make the effort to work them wet? I also have so many fibers that I really don't mind if some break.

In the attachment you see a photo of several fingerrings, made with "single strand" techniques. They are all worked wet as it would be simply impossible to make them with dry fibers. The fibers would constantly break while working. And as I only have one fiber it would be more than a nuisance.

You see, it really depends on what you want to do with the fibers. You never work without a plan and as you want to achieve a certain "effect", this effect will determine the material, the technique and the way you work with it. And there isn't a best answer to this questions but usually many very different approaches. My "raffia rule": Single fibers and loose -> wet, dense and many fibers -> dry. It usually works quite well.

Please show me some of your works ("wet" and "dry" ones), so that I can see, why you think that it is best to work raffia wet.
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Reply #3783 - Jul 8th, 2013 at 5:40pm
 
I shall upload pics tonight. I don't comb the fibers, just split them into 3' pieces about the thickness of thick thread. When I try to dry-weave them, they generally end up fluffy.
My favorite slings are dense, durable, stiff, and fairly flexible at the same time. Wet working the stuff tends to give those. I have never tried soaking then drying it. I didn't know that did any good! I will have to try it!
Thanks!
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Reply #3784 - Jul 9th, 2013 at 8:08am
 
Licorice sling! Who says you can't play with your food!

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Reply #3785 - Jul 12th, 2013 at 2:49pm
 
Some friends, knowing my addiction, gave me a roll of sisal cordage as bithday present in November.  I prefer to use sisal outdoors, in the summer, and today I made my first sling from my gift.  It is rather Balearic I think, 5-strand braid, 27", and with bits of an old leather jacket sewn on with waxed flax (sold in Norway as knifemaker`s thread, used for the leather sheaths).  The release knot is a  Double Mathew Walker.  First I braided a short tail  after the knot, but testing the sling confirmed what I already knew; that a tail means a solid decrease in accuracy.  So the tail was spyderco-ed away well before the photo-session.
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Reply #3786 - Jul 12th, 2013 at 3:00pm
 
The sisal cordage seemed to be of good quality.  Years ago I unraveled some cheap sisal an braided a horrible sling from the short stiff fibers I was  able to salvage from it.  This material seemed better, and while this sling  was  made  from 5 simple  strands, maybe I`ll separate some of it into fibers and make a  sling from it.  I`ll take another look at Aurelio`s tutorial while I consider it Smiley
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Reply #3787 - Jul 13th, 2013 at 9:22am
 
Can you please explain how a tail affects your accuracy? I can't see the pictures on the forum yet btw:(
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Reply #3788 - Jul 13th, 2013 at 11:07am
 
Tomas wrote on Jul 13th, 2013 at 9:22am:
Can you please explain how a tail affects your accuracy? I can't see the pictures on the forum yet btw:(

Darn, I can see the pictures just fine.  Well, through trial-and-error several of us manic sling braiders(walter and myself, I seem to rememer there where others too) realized, sometime ago, that accuracy was better without a tail behind the trigger knot.  I`m mot sure if this is a result of the tail distorting the grip, or wind resistance, or something else.  But the fact still remain.  Even in a simple single strand paracord sling the difference is noticeable.  The knot should be in the end of the release cord.  Of course all slingers should try out both ways and report their results.  Maybe others has different experiences.  We should apply science here Wink

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Reply #3789 - Jul 13th, 2013 at 11:26pm
 
Never used a release knot or tab until I came across this forum. Now I have gone back to folding my release cord like I've done for years. I haven't noticed any difference with or without a tail. Maybe if the tail was long but why would one have need for a long tail on the release cord?
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Reply #3790 - Jul 13th, 2013 at 11:46pm
 
Been slinging using a wrist anchor lately. I've also gone back to using a shorter sling. From the middle of the pouch to the end of the wrist loop is 32". From the center of the pouch to there I fold and grip the release cord is 25".

This woven sling seem to throw anything I put into it. I wove it tight so it's stiff in the pouch but hasn't been a problem.
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Reply #3791 - Jul 14th, 2013 at 7:58am
 
Folding and gripping... never seen that before.  I have used slings backward, though, pinching the finger loop, and it sure works. 
I have used wrist loops but decided one finger loops suited me better.  Btw cool sling, distinct but clearly in the same family as your multiple-corded-pouch type sling.
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Reply #3792 - Jul 14th, 2013 at 12:30pm
 
Today I was fooling around with some bark strips, from willow or sallow or whatever.  I made some cordage by reverse twisting and braiding it.  Suddenly I thought; SLING!.  So I harvested some more bark, braided a suitable lenght, and made a simple Appu/sheepshank sling.  Which worked very well with stones.  So well I even made a little YT clip.
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Reply #3793 - Jul 14th, 2013 at 12:38pm
 
Another picture...  The bark will probably dry out, and I don`t know what will happen with the sling over time.  But if I need a sling fast, this is a fine way to make it.  I simply cut of a few sapling and twisted them, then the bark came off almost by itself.  Then I held one end betwen my toes and braided.
  Almost instant cordage ready for making the Appu sling Grin
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Reply #3794 - Jul 15th, 2013 at 11:30am
 
Great shooting, timann!
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