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Curious Aardvark Forum Moderation Offline Taller than the average Dwarf Posts: 13965 Midlands England Gender:	Re: Is it real? David and Goliath Reply #300 - Jun 5^th, 2019 at 10:18am and david cut his head off - just to make sure
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Re: Is it real? David and Goliath
Reply #301 - Jun 6^th, 2019 at 12:46am

There are many pictures of the valley of elah, where this battle took place, just do a search on yahoo. It is my belief that Goliath having a helmet of any kind, is not a valid argument for him to not be hit in the forehead, As he likely would have pushed his helmet up to see better, not taking David as a serious threat, and as for Goliath falling face down after being hit with a slingstone, as an army medic I can tell you that a bullit will not knock a forward moving soldier on his back, how much less a stone, smaller than an egg, would knock backward someone of goliaths stature. His head would have rocked back, but not his body, it would have fallen forward. I believe it happened exsactly like it is described in the KJV Bible. He was done for, even before David lopped his head off with his own sword. By the way, in " the complete works of Josephus" a famous historian, there is also an account of this story. That agrees with the Bible

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slingbadger Interfector Viris Spurii Offline Don't Badger a Badger Posts: 3227 Akron NY Gender:	Re: Is it real? David and Goliath Reply #302 - Jun 6^th, 2019 at 6:33am Many "True Christians" here in America believe that the KJV is the one true Bible. According to them, it was written by Jesus himself, in English.
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Kick past-moderator Offline Posts: 4451 Finland	Re: Is it real? David and Goliath Reply #303 - Jun 6^th, 2019 at 6:46am Wait... KJV stands for King James Version right? Do they... not know when King James ruled?
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slingbadger Interfector Viris Spurii Offline Don't Badger a Badger Posts: 3227 Akron NY Gender:	Re: Is it real? David and Goliath Reply #304 - Jun 7^th, 2019 at 6:29am NO. They are very ignorant of history. It doesn't fit their view of the world.
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cram Descens Offline Posts: 131	Re: Is it real? David and Goliath Reply #305 - Jun 7^th, 2019 at 9:13am LOL, what I meant was that they added a few more cubits to Goliath's height.
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Slingky Tiro Offline Posts: 27 Everett, WA	Re: Is it real? David and Goliath Reply #306 - Aug 5^th, 2019 at 11:42pm Here's an interesting and somewhat measured article that reflects on 3 extra-biblical discoveries related to King David: https://theophilogue.com/2009/04/24/extrabiblical-evidence-for-king-david/
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Re: Is it real? David and Goliath
Reply #307 - Jan 18^th, 2020 at 2:46pm

Here’s a question for all you Bible scholars: After David acquired fame and fortune for killing Goliath, did he continue to use a sling in battle?

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Curious Aardvark Forum Moderation Offline Taller than the average Dwarf Posts: 13965 Midlands England Gender:	Re: Is it real? David and Goliath Reply #308 - Jan 19^th, 2020 at 9:13am at that point I guess they'd form a slinger unit, plus didn't he become king shortly after ?
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Re: Is it real? David and Goliath
Reply #309 - Jan 20^th, 2020 at 8:49am

I see one mention of elite soldiers who could shoot arrows and sling stones with either hand, but nothing about how David fought after the account of his battle with Goliath. There was quite a bit of time before David became king. The king’s son gifted him a bow and armor, so I am curious if the sling was still a go-to weapon or not after he had nicer things. Slinging might be pretty difficult depending on the armor. I was hoping someone here might know more about that.

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Re: Is it real? David and Goliath
Reply #310 - Jan 21^st, 2020 at 3:24am

NooneOfConsequence wrote on Jan 20^th, 2020 at 8:49am:

Slinging might be pretty difficult depending on the armor. I was hoping someone here might know more about that.

While I don't have any personal experience, I'd say that slinging with armour on is plausible so long as it doesn't impede your hip or arm movements.

I've seen a Manuscript marginalia from the Medieval period which depicts a Knight in a hauberk and a heater shield using a sling.

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Kick past-moderator Offline Posts: 4451 Finland	Re: Is it real? David and Goliath Reply #311 - Jan 21^st, 2020 at 4:44am Well that's the thing, what do we mean by armour (or armor...)? Chainmail? Easy to sling in I would say. Full plate? Maybe not impossible but I think fig 8 might be a struggle. Even then, plate armour has varied a hell of a lot.
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Re: Is it real? David and Goliath
Reply #312 - Jan 21^st, 2020 at 5:00pm

In the book of Judges, the Philistines had cornered the regional market on blacksmithing, so the armor was probably patterned in the same style as Goliath’s.

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Re: Is it real? David and Goliath
Reply #313 - Jan 21^st, 2020 at 7:43pm

According to the story. the armor was bronze scale mail. It doesn't mention if the armor was just chest or if it covered the arms. There were also bronze open faced helmets, and bronze greaves.. David did not wear any armor. He tried on King Saul's armor and it was too big for him.
David was lighter and more maneuverable. Goliath never stood a chance.

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Re: Is it real? David and Goliath
Reply #314 - Jan 22^nd, 2020 at 12:18am

slingbadger wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 7:43pm:

According to the story. the armor was bronze scale mail. It doesn't mention if the armor was just chest or if it covered the arms. There were also bronze open faced helmets, and bronze greaves.. David did not wear any armor. He tried on King Saul's armor and it was too big for him.
David was lighter and more maneuverable. Goliath never stood a chance.

Shortly after that, Jonathan gifted his personal armor and bow to David. That’s what I am referring to. Not the armor he refuses before fighting Goliath.

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“My final hour is at hand. We face an enemy more numerous and cunning than the world has yet seen. Remember your training, and do not fear the hordes of Judas. I, without sin, shall cast the first stone. That will be your sign to attack! But you shall not fight this unholy enemy with stones. No! RAZOR GLANDES! Aim for the eyes! May the Lord have mercy, for we shall show none!“ -Jesus the Noodler

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