Slinging.org Forum - Is it real? David and Goliath

Curious Aardvark Forum Moderation Offline Taller than the average Dwarf Posts: 13965 Midlands England Gender:	Re: Is it real? David and Goliath Reply #30 - Feb 14^th, 2007 at 12:18pm no no no, you got it all wrong - goliath had some brothers. five brothers = five stones :-) P.O.P
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Curious Aardvark Forum Moderation Offline Taller than the average Dwarf Posts: 13965 Midlands England Gender:	Re: Is it real? David and Goliath Reply #32 - Feb 15^th, 2007 at 9:00am lol euthenistically p.o.p - piece of p**s. - or qed or blindingly obvious :-)
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funda_iucunda Senior Member Offline Watt den een sin Uhl is den annern sin Nachtigal. Posts: 317 Germany (north of Hamburg) Gender:	Re: Is it real? David and Goliath Reply #33 - Feb 15^th, 2007 at 5:00pm Com on aardvark, give us a lesson but no p**s. Many of us are no native speakers and greedy to enter the inner circles. funda
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Re: Is it real? David and Goliath
Reply #34 - Feb 15^th, 2007 at 11:11pm

[quote author=curious_aardvark link=1152877286/30#31 date=1171473511]no no no, you got it all wrong - goliath had some brothers. five brothers = five stones :-)
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First off i never have seen this topic on the forums before so here is my input:
I am Christian and strongly believe everything that the Bible says (call me radical...whatever) therefore i truthfully believe the story of David and Goliath. Now with my understanding there is very little possibility that David could have faced the giant Goliath without the help of God. We as slingers of course know the ability of the sling to kill and we also know that it is realatively (greatly) hard to hit a target. And of course we know that David was a shepherd and most shepherds in that day were quite used to using a sling (and very good) It is also my understanding and belief that Goliath was covered from "head to toe" in very thick armor and also a shield. (See 1 Samuel 17 for details) and David had to hit the only flesh part that was showing (that being between his eyes around the forehead)
Now in reference to the 5 stones theorem quoted above. I doubt David was insecure about hitting Goliath, he knew that he had God on his side and he couldnt miss with His help. (maybe he was just comfortable with carrying 5 stones) So...I have heard the idea of Goliath having some 4 brothers that David was afraid might come out and try to kill him if he prevailed over the Philistine (Goliath) (wouldnt you feel better about taking 5 stones into battle rather than just 1 :D) so David had some backup stones in case of an attack. But in the aftermath of David killing Goliath the other Philistines realized that a little shepherd boy (with a BIG God) could defeat their champion warrior, they fled from the battle.

There is my 2 cents worth.
Think about it seriously.
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LKH9 Funditor Offline Posts: 824 Malaysia Gender:	Re: Is it real? David and Goliath Reply #35 - Feb 16^th, 2007 at 12:19am Even though I'm not christian, I believe the events in the bible too.
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Re: Is it real? David and Goliath
Reply #36 - Feb 17^th, 2007 at 9:05am

no offence loh-ka-hoe but in recent months you've shown a willingness to believe pretty much everything you read :-)
At some point in your life you are going to have to apply some sort of common sense judgement.

As for the david and goliath thing - I've said it before, shepherds and slings versus sheep stealing soldiers would have been a common occurence.

And if the sling was my principle weapon I'd have more than just 5 stones Hell I'd have all the stones I could carry. And I'd start firing when the big slow armoured bast*ard was barely in sight :-)

You would have had as many shots as you liked it's not like a big bloke in full armour could ever catch a fast fit unarmoured kid unless he stood still too long.

Nope folks, anyway you cut it, it was shooting fish in a barrel and one on one goliath was dead meat from the minute he stepped on the field of war :-)

and in the spirit of the famous lines from a movie thread: - the untouchables:- 'just like a philistine to bring a sword to a sling fight :-)'

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Re: Is it real? David and Goliath
Reply #37 - Feb 17^th, 2007 at 2:12pm

i believe it was real and i remember a study that said it was a real event also Grin

it said a normal person of the time would be roughly 5ft and goliath was around 7'9 so... also it said a person in goliath's tribe would normally be 6ft so it definitly sounds possible

also there is a tribe in africa that is full of people who average 6'5 so it proves that height gene can be isolated in one group

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Reply #38 - Feb 17^th, 2007 at 4:26pm

You have got to consider the situation in which the old testament was written. Many people from Israel were took as slaves to Babylon and some where starting to convert their religion. As far as I heard that is when this books were written. They were supposed to preserve the culture and to remember the history of Isreal. So I guess the part about the history of Isreal is as accurate as the authors could remember.

To me that means that the story about the future King David might as well have happend like that. However I do not believe the stuff like "we are the people of God and God helped us to slaughter our foes" or "God was angry with us, that is why God let our foes hit us". I consider myself Christian and I believe in a God of love (hehe, I do not even believe that hell exists

). But now I am probably going too deep into a theological discussion.

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LKH9 Funditor Offline Posts: 824 Malaysia Gender:	Re: Is it real? David and Goliath Reply #39 - Feb 17^th, 2007 at 9:10pm Hell? I think it is mentioned in most religions....
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Mordechaj Funditor Offline I love Slinging.org! Posts: 576 zagreb, croatia (europe) Gender:	Re: Is it real? David and Goliath Reply #40 - Feb 18^th, 2007 at 6:27am thread lightly upon this topic. i sense much potential drama.
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Re: Is it real? David and Goliath
Reply #41 - Feb 18^th, 2007 at 11:13am

yep what funslinger said :-)
lol
religion is one of those things that is truly individual. You get 100 priests and you have 100 different interpretations of their particular holy book.

If you bring the subject up then you must be prepared to enter into sensible debate on it, regardless of what you own beliefs might be - nobody elses are ever going to be exactly the same.
Just so long as nobody gets too worked up I believe (lol) religious discussion is good clean fun.
But once you start taking it seriously then you get the whole mess that exists with islam at the moment.

If someone's faith is strong - it would not matter one jot what anyone else said about that belief. I tend towards the theory that people who get angry at someone elses opinion of their beliefs, do not hold those beliefs very strongly. And are actually getting angry because they don't believe as strongly as they think they should.

As for the old testament - it's the only religious book I've read cover to cover, and most of it - in my opinion - are fables designed to instruct in how to live - what the authors believed - was a good and god fearing life.
All christians should remember that the god of the old testament is the jewish god jehovah (ducks rain of stones) and not the god of the new testament. Jehovah (any women in this crowd ?) was a very mercurial god who interfered frequently in the lives of men, the god of the new testament makes a virtue of never interfering at all - not the same god.
I am also eternally amused that a group of people who worship and believe in a fundamentalist Jewish rabbi - are actually generally inimical to jews. What's that all about ?
And it can't just be the aeon long debate over whether or not jews should be allowed to eat bacon sandwiches.

So, no I don't believe there was a specific david and goliath incident. I believe it's a parable based on common occurence that essentially teaches:- don't judge a book by it's cover :-)
And was intended to showcase david's ability to make the most of a bad situation.

And if that's not a deep enough theological discussion - then bring it on !
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Re: Is it real? David and Goliath
Reply #42 - Feb 18^th, 2007 at 5:40pm

FunSlinger wrote on Feb 18^th, 2007 at 12:22am:

I am confused on what basis you would consider yourself a Christian but not believe in hell.

The basis I consider myself a Christian on is that I am baptized and confirmed, go to church more often than most people in my age in Germany do (ok, that is not hard Wink

) and think that there are a lot of good lessons to learn from Jesus and the bible. But I question (almost) everything.

Now about hell. I think that when you die you will see your deeds and their consequences through a "true conscience". I guess that can hurt a lot and you might call it "hell".

But I do not believe that this is permanent or a punishment. There is a nice allegory Jesus used: A son receives money and trust from his father and sets out into the world. However he wastes the money in unethical actions (gambling, whores,...). At the end he lost all the money and he has to return to his father. He feels very bad about it and expects to be punished (kept as a slave) by his father. When he arrived at home and told his story, his father does not punish him but makes a celebration that he has returned. That is what I believe and that is for me in a conflict with the idea of eternal punishment.

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LKH9 Funditor Offline Posts: 824 Malaysia Gender:	Re: Is it real? David and Goliath Reply #43 - Feb 18^th, 2007 at 8:29pm Have to wait until my death to see for myself!
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funda_iucunda Senior Member Offline Watt den een sin Uhl is den annern sin Nachtigal. Posts: 317 Germany (north of Hamburg) Gender:	Re: Is it real? David and Goliath Reply #44 - Feb 19^th, 2007 at 4:24pm I'm not sure whether someone has put the following question already (frankly speaking I'm too lazy to read the whole topic through): Is there any reason why the story of David and Goliath shouldn't be real? funda iucunda
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