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Novel Question again: Speed or Strength
Jun 11th, 2006 at 6:25pm
 
Hi all.  I haven't written in a while.  My main character is now picking up on the sling more in my novel, and I am in need of a question answered.

If you remember...there are special powers some of my characters have. Some have percision, some have strength, some have speed...etc.

So my question.

If one person had super speed and one had super strength...which one would throw harder?

Is it speed or strength of a throw that determines how hard the stone would hit?

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Re: Novel Question again: Speed or Strength
Reply #1 - Jun 11th, 2006 at 6:33pm
 
I would say it is strength, because it is a very short part of the move where you speed up, and power is helping more than pure speed.

But lets see what the guys think.

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Reply #2 - Jun 11th, 2006 at 6:46pm
 
I would have to agree with Willeke on this one, but I also think balance has alot to do with it too because you step into the throw or rotate your hips at release to increase velocity.

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Reply #3 - Jun 11th, 2006 at 7:28pm
 
I'm pretty sure that one's speed is determined by their strength and the weight of their arm. As such, strength is more of a determinant, IMO, however the heavier the ammo, the more obvious it becomes a factor. I'd honestly say that for very light ammo, I'd put my bets on the guy with the faster arm, but for heavy ammo, I'd definitely think the stronger guy.
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Reply #4 - Jun 11th, 2006 at 7:57pm
 
it's speed, not sheer strength  - strength implies huge muscle mass, and big arms aren't as quick as thin whipcord muscles. just compare flyweight and heavyweight boxers.  in slinging, which is sending a very light weight to a target (!) it's speed which gives the stone it's hitting power.
read the forsythe description of the indian slinger.....

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Reply #5 - Jun 11th, 2006 at 8:11pm
 
Speed!

Force equals the mass time the square of the velocity so....twice as fast hits four times as hard ...
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Re: Novel Question again: Speed or Strength
Reply #6 - Jun 11th, 2006 at 8:24pm
 
Id have to say speed Built up as you are it wont help you throw a 1 oz rock or gland.... now for a staff sling or throwing rocks over 1 lb Id say strength plays a bigger role.
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Reply #7 - Jun 11th, 2006 at 9:53pm
 

It's either streed or sprength.....of that I'm certain.


There are no in betweens.


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Reply #8 - Jun 11th, 2006 at 10:11pm
 
For smaller ammo, sniper sorts of things, speed.

If the guy is going to be lobbing HUGE stones or caltrops or something... like ballista/trebuchet large ammo, it would only make sense for it to be the strength person.
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Reply #9 - Jun 12th, 2006 at 12:11am
 
if the super human powers would be used to enable the person so sling boulders the size of my truck then id say strength but for slinging in general id have to go with speed

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Force equals the mass time the square of the velocity


^^ exactly what i was thinking.

No matter how hard the juggernaut would be slinging a 1 oz stone, the speed demon would have more force

of course this would be inverted if the stone was very heavy as stated above
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Reply #10 - Jun 12th, 2006 at 2:20am
 
I'd say speed.  I don't see any weight lifter breaking the range record anytiime soon but I am sure a good slinger need fast arm speed!
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Reply #11 - Jun 12th, 2006 at 5:13am
 

In a greater sense, would it not be 'will power' that provides the greater input?  For it can be both fast and strong at once.....and without it, all is for naught.

I have seen it time and again seemingly create it's own magical brand of speed and strength....where only a moment before mediocrity reigned.


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Re: Novel Question again: Speed or Strength
Reply #12 - Jun 12th, 2006 at 9:57pm
 
That's deep. However, that's looking to the ideal of the slinger. It's like Plato's theory of the forms. That there is One superior form of everything by which everything else is defined and to which everything else defined by it is inferior. For example, when we would think of "THE Slinger" we would imagine an slinger of immense strength and speed, able to launch stones of any size great distances with perfect accuracy. That is the ideal of The Slinger that any practitioner of the art of slinging strives to achieve, and as slingers, we are defined by the perfect form of The Slinger, to which we are always below, yet strive to reach. As such, the will to become The Slinger is a noble will that drives one to excellence, but to become that Slinger is impossible.

In other words, the perfect slinger has the muscular power of Arnold Schwartzenegger, with the throwing arm of Randy Johnson in his prime, the accuracy of a Benjaminite or Balearic slinger, and the rapid reloading ability of a shepherd.

However, the will to perfection is great, but without practicing one's ass off to get a strong and fast arm, it's all for nothing.  Wink
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Re: Novel Question again: Speed or Strength
Reply #13 - Jun 12th, 2006 at 10:12pm
 
You guys are great of course.   Grin

The slinger with great strength, speed and precision CAN exist in my world.  <grin> and eventually will.   Wink

I can make all of your dreams come true.   

However, it won't all happen in book one....(which is still being written and then has to have someone interested enough to buy it...sigh)

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Re: Novel Question again: Speed or Strength
Reply #14 - Jun 12th, 2006 at 10:13pm
 
Ill buy one! Smiley Smiley Wink Wink Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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