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May 27th, 2006 at 9:21pm
 
today i walked over to the hardware store and picked up a wire saw that i saw last time i was there.  i took it out in the back yard when the rain stopped, and tried to saw through some dead wood.  that didn't go so well, and i thought maybe living wood would be easier, due to the lubrication of the sap.  my hypothesis was correct, and as i moved from a small tree less than one inch in diameter (i tried out the suggestion on the package and strung the saw between the ends of a sapling a little shorter than saw it self to make a  one handed saw.  this worked okay.  i then took two peices of the bow and used them to improve my grip on the saw.  i then cut the tree lower down, and it went well) to a tree about three inches in diameter.  this is when my troubles started.  i used my wood handles and started to saw through, i made it perhaps half way through the trunk, and the blade snapped i half.  while i was kneeling there feeling sad when the blade dropped out of one of the little crimps that held the wire to the ring.  this made me even more sad.

needles to say, i returned the saw (and bought some snare wire with some of the money). 

has anyone else had similar experiance with wire saws?  does anyone know of a good wire saw that won't fall apart?

just for referance; my saw was this kind:
http://www.surplusandoutdoors.com/ishop/images/877/SACC-WIRE-SAW.jpg
as opposed to this kind:
http://www.tadgear.com/edged%20tools/images%20for%20pages/commando-wire-saw.jpg
is the twisted wire kind better than the kind with the little flanges all along the wire perhaps?
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Re: wire saw
Reply #1 - May 28th, 2006 at 12:55am
 
The only kind I've ever seen worth the weight is the braided wire type. The good ones are quite sharp, and do a reasonable job if you are careful. I don't carry mine - a knife and baton will go through things at least as quickly... Good for stonecarving.

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Reply #2 - May 28th, 2006 at 2:00am
 
  Greetings, siguy,
         Too bad about the saw, but my impression was that the wire saws are intended for "emergency" use because they can be curled up and take up so little space. Thus they can be easily carried in the pocket as part of a "survival kit." As you found out, a wire saw is not any sort of "superweapon" but it is better than trying to cut a sapling with your teeth Grin. You might want to read the thread started by Coops asking about small wood burning stoves for camping. At 18th century reenactments much of the cooking is done over coals and small saplings 1 to 2 inches in diameter would be adequate, especially for "emergency" use.                                                                  
         I have had occasion to cut a LOT of saplings while clearing brush here around the yard and also out in the woods where I go deer hunting and I have found that an ordinary bow saw seems to work best. Even so, you will eventually break a blade so get several replacement blades. This is not a big deal as they are not expensive and are easy to change. You will generally get quite a bit of use out of a blade before it gets dull, rusts, or breaks. In fact, I actually broke a bow saw handle ( the steel tubing kind ) once, but only after a great
deal of cutting, so I guess I got my money's worth. These saws are not too expensive, so we always have three or four lying around. Of course, they are much bigger than the tiny wire saws, but if you need to do lots of cutting, a bow saw is best.                                          
         I have also used the "hunter's saws" or "Japanese saws" that cut only on the pull stroke. These are generally about the size of a large knife but are much lighter and often are made to fold up and can be carried in a sheath. These are available at hunting supply stores and might be just what you need if you have to carry the saw into the woods. I have had good luck with a couple of these, but, yes, the blades can break! ( Apparently, ANY sawblade can break! ) Also, it takes some getting used to because they only cut on the pull stroke.
         You are right about dry vs. live wood and also it seems that different species of wood will tend to cut differently.                        
         Last but not least, let me point out that there is a sort of "knack" to cutting wood. I have found, for example, that even a small sapling about 2 or 3 inches in diameter can cause problems. If it is, say, six feet tall, when you start to cut through it, it will sag onto the sawblade and put a surprising amount of stress on it, possibly leading to breakage. I will generally push on the sapling in such a way as to OPEN the cut to relieve the stress on the blade.                                 
                                                                             .......Dan
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Reply #3 - May 28th, 2006 at 8:13am
 
dan; thanks for the advice.  i have been using that little trick of pushing the sapling back for years now with the little saw on my pocket knife. 

i have some larger saws that are okay, but i wanted to try something else out.  the weire saw appealed to me because of the size and apparent ease of use.
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Reply #4 - May 28th, 2006 at 8:50am
 
I was looking at those. I need something small that i can take with me on hikes to poach trees from national parks.  Smiley
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Reply #5 - May 28th, 2006 at 8:52am
 
DTB; those little folding pruning saws seem to work terrificaly.  that is probably what you want.
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Reply #6 - May 28th, 2006 at 9:21am
 
thats what i have. I always forget to put it in my pocket Smiley
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Reply #7 - May 28th, 2006 at 9:47am
 
I had one wire saw once.  It's long since misplaced though.  I made my first staff sling with it!
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Reply #8 - May 28th, 2006 at 11:40am
 
I went through much the same thing as you did. The problem with those blades is that you can't let them heat up too much.
  A little creativity with the rest of the blade wasn't too bad. What I did was drill two holes through some dowels to make handles . I laced the saw blade through and used a couple of screws to secure it to the dowels. It was a little shorter, but it did the job.
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Reply #9 - May 28th, 2006 at 6:46pm
 
Just buy a nice chopper.  Their multi purpuse and threatning to.
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Reply #10 - May 28th, 2006 at 6:59pm
 
i would buy several nice (and probably some not so nice) choppers, but my mom's rule is no big knives in the house until it isn't her house anymore.

translation: i can't have anything bigger than my pocketknives until i move out.

i would like to get a small hatchet though, which is in a different category than knives. 

ah well.
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Reply #11 - May 29th, 2006 at 6:03am
 
The best "wire" saw I have ever tried looked like a chainsaws blade. only narrower, so no "wire" there. But it was quite small when packed and it cut almost as well as a proper saw.

If I can find I'll post a picture.
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Reply #12 - May 29th, 2006 at 6:13am
 
Look at "Saber Cut Saw" IT is similar design than what I meant.

http://www.whipperleys.co.uk/acatalog/survival_equipment_purlon_rope_whistle.htm...

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Reply #13 - May 29th, 2006 at 9:05am
 
i have seen those as well.  it is really just a small chainsaw blade that has been sharpened so that it can cut in both directions.  i have read tons of reviews praising this item and similar ones, but i don't have any local suppliers.  the wire saw, on the other hand, was  just down the street, and i thought that i would pick it up and see how it performed.

i would, in the future, like to buy one of these saws, because they seem to be far better than the basic saws.
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Reply #14 - May 30th, 2006 at 9:59pm
 
Im sure you could find one at a flea market.  A chopper that is
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