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Reply #15 - Apr 23rd, 2006 at 5:18pm
 
Additional thought, on the bottoms of the spikes put a band of tape a couple inches up. Cut through so that there are many little slips  of paper so that the whole thing resembles a broom. Bend them over, and tape them back so it looks like this ...
If someone has a problem with me using that image I'll get rid of it, but I just see it as publicity for them.

I'm not sure if the amount of energy it would absorb would be any good, (probably not) but it's just a thought.
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Reply #16 - Apr 23rd, 2006 at 6:29pm
 
I've tried that design (the egg beater one) with paper before. It was to build a paper tower with a single sheet of paper. It couldn't hold itself up at all, so I doubt that it will be able to cushion the landing (and it's a huge pain to put it together). I like the idea of fins. How will fins help it? I don't see how they'd make it go faster, but I can see how they'd help it go straight. Anything I should know about adding fins?
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Reply #17 - Apr 23rd, 2006 at 7:34pm
 
Fins would make it look faster and so it would be faster... just kidding. My thought was to replace that voluminous, rear portion of the cone with fins. They'd serve the same purpose -stabilizing flight, ensuring the device lands on the braking contraptions- fins wouldn't create nearly as much drag in the downward direction, and far more in the side to side direction.

P.S. what about concentric cones with crumpled tissue paper between them?
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Reply #18 - Apr 23rd, 2006 at 8:06pm
 
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what about concentric cones with crumpled tissue paper between them?


I didn't think about this possibility. I was thinking about possibly taping two sheets of paper together, then rolling them into a cone, so it would be twice as hard to crumple as the original. However, putting a kleenex between the two before I tape them together and roll them up may help to cushion it a bit. I think that if I rolled the two cones separately, then put kleenex between the two it wouldn't stay together as well.
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Reply #19 - Apr 23rd, 2006 at 8:51pm
 
I think several layers would be best. The one closest to the egg being the strongest, the one hitting the ground first being the weakest.

Remember, the name of the game is, "Disperse all energy to anything and anything other than the egg". And the best way to do this is to isolate the egg at as many levels as is possible from the ground.

Right now, I think the the best design would be:
A reinforced cone, made of heavy paper or cardboard lined with tissue paper to cradle egg.
LONG fins to stabilize flight.
A secondary cone (made of two sheets of paper) sliding over the first with shredded paper or kleenex as padding between the two (a crumpled ball of scotch tape placed over the tip of the first cone would be perfect. It should be fitted loosely (at no point directly touching the other cone).
A third cone, longer but not wider, of a single piece of paper, and fully fitted with  spikes should be slid over the second with very little padding between the two. At this point, the bases of all three cones should line up, and taping them togher should be no problem.
The spikes should be construced weaker than those mentioned earlier. They should have many little cuts on them as predetermined beding points - the most severe of which are at the tips. With luck, each spike would bend at several of the points.

Contraption falls. The spikes bend at many points and sometimes sheer off of the sides of the cone. They splay out. This all absorbs energy and slows the egg, which feels nothing at this point. The tertiary cone then impacts and easily deforms. As the secondary cone receives impact, it is compressed against the primary cone (with the kleenex absorbing the energy) and slightly deforms. The egg continues to fall... much slower however. Padding and the primary cond absorb any remaining energy.

Of course this is all assuming that device remains perfectly upright the entire journey... not going to happen. For this reason, more (weak) spikes should be attatched to the sides of the cone, possibly even at angles greater than horizontal. During lopsiding (not a forceful event) spikes and fins will absorb energy.

I suppose I should elaborate on the primary cone for clarification. Lined with fairly compressed tissue paper, then loosely cumpled tissue paper placed towards tip of cone. Egg is placed on that layer and another loosely crumpled layer of tissue on top of that. 10 cm of tape keeps the whole thing nice and safe, and is easily done in under five minutes.

I was thinking of fins something like this.. just longer http://im.edirectory.co.uk/products/1306/i/vortexhowler.jpg" rel="gb_image[nice_pics]" title="...">http://im.edirectory.co.uk/products/1306/i/vortexhowler.jpg" name="post_img_resize_7" alt="..." title="..." border="0" style="display:none" />

O and for a sense of scale I was thinking around eight inches from the back of the first cone to the tip of the third (so excluding spikes and fins). But this could be widely varied. The only concern would be if the egg became placed too far back in the device making stabilized flight and impact more difficult.
I suppose this is more than you ever wanted when posting Tongue. I know that I sound 'bossy' but it's just the easiest way to write. (interjecting with, "but i understand that you could do it differently or may not like the blah blah bl-..." would be even more annoying.

Good luck, consider implementing an idea or two of mine Smiley

P.S. Altay, just noticed that in three more posts you're a senior member... I think.
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Reply #20 - Apr 23rd, 2006 at 9:08pm
 
WOW. That would be one giant contraption! Shocked I don't think it'd be a good idea to make a device that you don't know which way it will land. The advantage of the simple cone is that due to the fact that it'd very aerodynamic, it should always land point first (unless you drop it egg first). I think I'll  test the basic design first. Then if it doesn't work I'll try a double paper design. If that still doesn't work, I'll test a double paper with fins. And if that doesn't work I'll probably try some more intricate contraptions. The most vital criteria for success with the cone design is that it hits point first. If you make it too complicated, you could put it off balance to the degree that it flips over. If you have a design that could flip unpredictably, you've defeated the purpose of the basic cone (and then you're looking at more of a porcupine design). Hopefully I'll be able to test some of my designs in the next week, but I don't know for sure.
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Reply #21 - Apr 23rd, 2006 at 9:24pm
 
Haha, indeed. This is why I stressed that the spikes should be made very weak. All in all, I don't think the spikes would have any impact on the flight, especially with fins attatched, since they'd be very narrow and equally distributed. The way I'm thinking of the design is not to look at it as 'one cone with a bunch of stuff piled around it' but as one cone (the tertiary) with a lot INSIDE of it, and some on the outside. Anyway, spikes, if not for initial impact may be helpful once the cone lopsides. There should be a bonus round from four stories Grin


If a single cone with a bit of padding works, all the better though Smiley
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Reply #22 - Apr 23rd, 2006 at 10:14pm
 
In the few egg drops i have seen the cone always seems to win. when i was forced into one i made a parachute, it worked pretty well but i was still beaten by all the cones. Its odd the ones i saw had the egg at the tip of the spike, with the wide bottom falling down. They alos had these fancy fins and stuff that kept it falling right.
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Reply #23 - Apr 23rd, 2006 at 11:20pm
 
So, pretty much like a model rocket flipped upside down?

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Something like that flipped over with the egg between the fins?
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Reply #24 - Apr 24th, 2006 at 3:03pm
 
Well we had to do this in my high school a couple years back. I actually had the winning design.
Here's what i did

I took computer paper, and cut them into 1/2-3/4" strips lengthwise. I then made a wider opened cone (Force = Pressure / Area  so greater initial hitting area the less the force) and with the paper, I made them standing up and coiled them loosely. Inside the cone I stacked and restacked the strips of paper. So it was  wider and wider.  Lastly I put a very small parachute onthe end to make sure that the side i wanted to hit first did.

i made a tissue paper cradle on the top to hold the egg in the cone.

It seems like a little hard to understand but below are some pics i just made (gimme a break with these tho  Tongue)

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This is a very simple honeycomb design, and it bascially cuts the impact force down from the widen bottom, and makes the impulse longer so the actual force on the egg is quite minimal

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Reply #25 - Apr 24th, 2006 at 5:41pm
 
Interesting design. If it was the winning design it must have worked well. What exactly was the purpose of the paper coils though?
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Reply #26 - Apr 24th, 2006 at 5:59pm
 
well the paper coils are depicted in the part where it ways paper thickness.   its a bad drawing/description, lemme try again

The paper coils are basically stacked on top of eachother. That is what "fills" up the flattened cone. When the egg is dropped and is crushed, each paper will compress and then the next will compress and so on and so forth. The paper coils function is to length the time of impact so the impulse on the egg is much longer.

you can even slightly bend the paper beforeyou coil it so that it kinda has some spring to it and that will even work better than "straight" coils

if that isnt good enough, i can make one really quick and dirty and take some pics

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