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Reply #15 - Apr 14th, 2006 at 3:54pm
 
so mammaoth hunter u thoght i was being racist to, and only an idiot would call a black guy that, and why would i ask if coons lived on the side of the road in the woods if i was  talkin bout people. oh and engish youre a hippocrit about calling me a hick
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Reply #16 - Apr 14th, 2006 at 6:41pm
 
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Could you maybe call them "RAcoons"?  What with all the political talk, I thought maybe Buger was trying to recruit for the Klan, and that just isn't what we like on this forum.


Get all dem dang coons off meh lawn!
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Reply #17 - Apr 14th, 2006 at 6:59pm
 
Buger:
Please remember that there is a great difference between written communication and face-to-face conversation.  Lots of non-verbal clues that you depend on when face-to-face, are entirely missing in print.  So if someone does not understand or misinterprets something you write, it is a bad idea to assume that the other party is thinking bad things about you or calling you names.

Unless of course they make it clear that they are doing so.  English was doing so, MammotHunter was not, in my opinion.  MammotHunter merely stated that he was aware of both meanings, and you will note from his first post in this topic that he went with the "animal" interpretation.

When I read your post that started this topic, I thought of the animal "racoon" (commonly called a "coon") simply because I have never heard that word used as a racial epithet. Were I aware of both uses, I would be confused: there is nothing in your first post, to indicate which use you intended.

Now, I am presuming (from how hot under the collar you are getting) that you are aware of both uses and resent the implication that you were talking about "people of color" or blacks or Afro-Americans or whatever the politically correct term is these days.  But if you are aware of both uses, and since the words you write are the ONLY clue given concerning what you mean, you might have either used the full word "raccoon" once, or in some other fashion clearly indicated that you were talking about an animal (as opposed to a man, for those of you who misperceive man as "merely" an animal, but that's a whole 'nother discussion that is off-topic in this thread, so I'll quit).

Anyway ... on the other hand, English might have picked a slightly  Roll Eyes more politic way of expressing his misunderstanding of what you said.  English, however, likes to pick fights, so he inflammatoriness (there's gotta be a better word than that) must be seen as deliberate ... in which case it is still upon you to be the better man and respond calmly.

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Shame, sir!  You are intentionally picking a fight, by assuming the more pejorative meaning of the term.  Were it not better to simply ask which was meant? ... But if I am wrong about my inference concerning your intention, please say so.  Since I have accused you publicly, I will then apologize publicly.
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Reply #18 - Apr 14th, 2006 at 7:13pm
 
ok every body i meant raccoons the animal ,not people, why would i ask if people lived pon the side of the road
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Reply #19 - Apr 14th, 2006 at 7:21pm
 
he has a point Tongue why would he ask if an african american lives on the side of the road on a slinging forum Tongue

i had only ever heard "coons" used as a shorter version of raccoon so i had no idea what the fuss was about Undecided now i do...
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Reply #20 - Apr 14th, 2006 at 8:42pm
 
I knew this topic was going to start something. Sad
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Reply #21 - Apr 14th, 2006 at 10:01pm
 
Al right you guys are gettin out of control everyone knows coons=racoons.  Now stop bein so damn liberal.
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Reply #22 - Apr 14th, 2006 at 10:13pm
 
English,
You may be 'technically' correct, yet you really shouldn't try to instigate things like that. Keep it to PM's if you feel it's necessary, sooner or later everyone else is going to get sick of you and buger fighting over trivial things.
Honestly,{ugh, not saying it's true)  it looks like you scanned through this trying to find something to start a fight about.

Buger,
Don't allow yourself to be so easily antagonized. While I understand that it's common where you come from to stand up to a fight, while here, try to keep your cool, debate intelligently instead of just 'shouting'/whining.

I do agree that you should try to make a bit more of an effort while writing, but that's just your decision... it may prevent more conflicts like this.

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For people who have learned english as a second language, or even third or fifth, it is hard to understand when you use short forms. I have to puzzle on much of what you write, and my english is much better than that of some people coming here.


English is my first language and I still have a hard time understanding some of his words. One tip is to read it phonetically. So while something may say 'are' he actually means 'our', just dosn't know better. And yes Willeke your english is much better than some... SmileySad
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Reply #23 - Apr 15th, 2006 at 12:00am
 
all right cando
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Reply #24 - Apr 15th, 2006 at 12:53am
 
Some of my best friends are..........racoons! Roll Eyes
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Reply #25 - Apr 15th, 2006 at 7:28am
 
vermin.... lol  Grin Grin
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Reply #26 - Apr 15th, 2006 at 7:48am
 
That too! Grin
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Reply #27 - Apr 15th, 2006 at 8:44am
 
Woah.  Big reaction.
 Maybe I should have put a little smily there...?  I didn't really mean that buger is racist at all, it's simply that the word has a recent history of being used to describe African-Americans.  Awful sorry fellas.

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oh and engish youre a hippocrit about calling me a hick
This, however, I don't understand.  I live in the 'burbs in a middle class family in England.  I'm honestly joking when I say things like that - I've got nothing against country folk, and I appreciate that in many ways, country living, by trapping and hunting, could be said to be dying in some areas.  Sorry Buger.

Raccoons, by the way, spend most of their nights hunting along streams, and they are also excellent climbers (their hindfeet can rotate 180 degrees so they can actually walk headfirst down trees.)  If I were you, I'd try a large scale pole snare for raccoons - if it works for squirrels, who also climb up trees readily, it should work for raccoons.  They have excellent hands, too, meaning they can open doors and do other such interesting "primate-like" activities.  Also, remember that they eat anything.  You could probably bait a trap with another animal's poop and it would come. Smiley  (Maybe not.)
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Reply #28 - Apr 15th, 2006 at 10:15am
 
English,
I reiterate my remarks about the differences between written and oral communication.  Yes, a "smiley" would have helped. "Emoticons" in general are helpful as an attempt to re-add some of the nonverbal cues missing from written communication.  Face to face, you give clues to your listener about whether you are speaking seriously, or jesting.  In writing, the listener can have no clue concerning your intent, unless you deliberately add such clues.  The style of the writing can supply clues, but that is not as reliable, especially in an international forum where English is a second (or third, or fourth, or ...) language for many.

It seems that you were not picking a fight.  I apologize for so accusing you.

Buger,
Realize that the reader, in written communication, should allow for the fact that he is missing some cues about the writer's intent.  You could have asked him what he meant, rather than assuming he was being insulting.

Both of you are at fault, in different ways.  Cool off.  Learn.  Write, and read, more carefully next time.

But don't feel too bad about it.  Many of us, including me, have made this same mistake.  I offer advice not because I am wise, but because I got burned the same way a couple of times, being a smart-aleck by nature...
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Reply #29 - Apr 15th, 2006 at 11:40am
 
It all came about because I'd watched the Daily Show with Jon Stewart on the issue of race.  It was a subject at the forefront of my mind.  It was also an incredibly funny show.
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