I thought that maybe the trading forum is not the place to hold a discussion of the ethics of hunting and trapping.  So heres my veiw take it or leave it.

  We have created a need for hunting and traping.  I agree most of it has become recreational, not saying people throw out the meat or pelts ( just that most of us can find food by going to the store).  Along with this there comes responsibility though.
If anyone has ever seen a winter kill on a deer heard? I doubt that any of you will not agree with me.  Same goes with the predators mainly vermin (racoons and opossums) along with the coyote and growing population of black bear.   We are now responsible to try to keep the heards culled and and the predators in check and a environment fit for them to live.  A lot of these predators are more easily trapped then hunted in the day since they are all basically nocturnal.

Now do you realize where most of this money comes from to maintain State parks and most National forest service roads?  Sure isn't timber sales, because the "environmental" groups are a bunch of tree hugging Bunny --------, and will sue on the basis that were ruining habbitat.  They don't have a clue.  If you get a chance read   Three Against the Wilderness by Eric Collier.  The money mainly comes from hunters and trappers and fund raising done mostly by once again hunters and trappers.  These people that have there mountain bikes and hikers that like to get out in Nature, how much funding do you think they do to keep up the trails and roads that they use?  Now I will admit their are a ton of these groups that adopt  a section of trail to maintain which is great, but with out the revenue from hunting we would'nt have crap.

r u jokin, yeah i sneeek on hevily gurded airforce bases to trap, or i could just get a licence  WHITCH IS WHAT I DO would u knock it off about trappin being horrible, like i told u traps today dont have teeth on them, ive been caought in my trap bout 50 times, it hurts, but not that much, and i doubt a fox will feel much pain in a 11 longsprind cus its so small but it hold them. i bet if u were stranded in the woods u woulnt trap cause of that poor bunny or coon. if youve never trapped can do u cant talk crap about, plese tell me this aint an anti trapping website

If my life was at stake, I'd have no problem burning a forest down.  I've made snares and deadfalls (as well as some man-size traps ), studied how and where the critters move, and if I need to kill them I will, but not until then.

getting a license does change things a bit, as that money will likely go towards the land in some form or another and implies that the trapping is regulated.
No offense, but I had been under the impression that you were just some kid who decided one day that it might be fun to kill some animals.

I think it is important to know how to hunt well.I have hunted and taken game many times but now choose not to as I don't need to. I do not see hunting as a sport. If you are going to take a life, then there should be a real need, not just a macho urge to go out and shoot something.

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Well, I'm trying to move on now that I understand where you're coming from. That you're on a farm, protecting your livelihood changes things even more.

What I'd like to point out though, is that I don't know you. I was going on the assumption that you were like most kids who come to this site, wondering how they can kill something, probably outcasts, looking for something to make their dull lives more interesting, even if it involves killing and wasting. While I shouldn't have judged so quickly, this hardly makes me a "fool". 

Anyway, welcome to the site, keep dabbling in primitive tech, if you stick with it, you'll become fairly competent, and maybe take some game humanely with homemade weapons.

well iam not on a farm but but we grow a lot of corn wheat and oats up in alabama,its sort of a farm

I'm soooooooo relieved

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Yup.  That explains it.