Techstuff wrote

"The bible, speaking in reference to America, stated that in the time of the end....


"The foreigner among you will get above you very high."

That's a funny bible you have there Tech - mine makes no reference to America at all. I have checked, and nope, no mention of the Country founded 1700 years after it was allegedly written.

Was God writing it for the Americans in particular, cos he knew they would need it? A bit like the Mosaic Law supposedly composed when the Children of Israel had not yet invented Viniculture includes Laws for Vineyards as well? Shame God couldn't have provided laws relating to the use of Nuclear Weapons or Nerve Agents at the same time.

Tech - god is not an American. Jesus was a Jew from a province of the Roman Empire. WE are foreigners as far as he was concerned. God is not a white man, and nor was Jesus.

Pat

not again this isn't niceness anymore

thats why politics and religion should never mix That is how most of the major wars in the past came to pass lets learn from it and try Not to make another feud or war or something shall we

Hey I saw a bumper sticker the other day that sort of fits now to this post....


  I don't know where I'm going, but why am I in this hand basket?

the kind of people that ring your doorbell and tell you the end of the world i near Those get me ticked off...

That's the kinda guy he is  .

Pat

alright guys (Pat) can we try not to get this thread locked? it still has potential for a productive discussion.

Leeds is well within his right to expose his beliefs....and I'm sure he would recognize the validity to the saying:


"If we don't believe in the freedom of speech of those we despise, we don't believe in it at all."- Noam Chomsky


I mentioned my own country and failed to mention Leed's or a few other modern nations mentioned in that same book....


Truth is,  The Holy Bible makes mention of various nations that would be influential in our time.



Although it is understandable why some would prefer it be a 'dead' book......it's prophecies are very much alive and run contrary to many a thwarted earthly hope and dream.


http://www.artisanpublishers.com/cgi-bin/ARTstore.cgi?user_action=list&category=...


http://www.thercg.org/books/aabibp.html#13



The United States and Great Britain both figure heavily in Bible Prophecy.



Leeds is entitled to use his observational skills to see his own way and to dissuade him from certain truths.....and, like many of those obligated to secret societies....


Embrace the dark side.



Secret societies love to make use of various geometries linked with magic.....pentagrams etc.....and  the 'hexagram' or 'seal of solomon' in their rituals......They know the power of the Bible's prophecies.....Which is why they try so desperately to bind them with their machinations.


The Bible warned that their deceit would try and fool the very elect of God, were it possible.


http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/sixpointedstar.html


http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/09/297062.shtml


http://www.hornes.org/theologia/content/mark_horne/what_is_the_worth_of_666_tale...



Solomon fell from grace.....having been given great wisdom and riches.....Taking the 'hexagram' or 'Seal of Solomn' .....the number 6 6 6 for his symbol.



So,  While some prefer to relegate the Holy Writ of God to fable and simpleton fantasy.....the enemies of Christ and His followers work tirelessly to see her ruination largely by takeover from within.


http://www.revisionisthistory.org/talmudtruth.html



Christ's enemies have much to say in agreement with Leeds' remark:


"The more I see of Christians, the more I love Satan"



And the bible of many who say they are Jews:



Is in total agreement with Pat.



Much of the world is in harmony with Pat's philosophy and will, itself, soon be in the throws of tantrum .




I appreciate Taiki's and other's  tolerance......of my position.  



And as Pat might notice,   I haven't said he was going to pits of hell as a sinner, even once!



Hell,  it's not my decision to make.


Pat said:


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Given his statements....I must assume that the letter 'T' on the word "it" was superfluous.



Taiki's right......and although some may be willing to tolerate the views of others, some among others are all too willing to take the road of violence and hate.


That the vast majority of those who gather here are able to accept, reject, privately study, or simply overlook the views of one another without descending into juvenility is a testament to the superb quality and commensurate rarity of this website!


I will not 'co-opt' the "Other Topics" section of the forum any longer, and I thank those for whom freedom of speech is a worthy practice, not a lofty and fragile ideal, or worse.....like the bad habit of smoking....best relegated to the safety of smoker's lounges...or other niches where those already of like mind go to simply reinforce and reassure one another.


Thank you for your indulgence.



TS