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Reply #90 - Apr 9th, 2006 at 5:15pm
 
beat them with the origins of species:D i love it Cheesy
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Reply #91 - Apr 9th, 2006 at 6:18pm
 
Not the best way to inspire love of science or respect for your point of view, but after all, does not Darwin teach us that we are in fact, glorified animals? It's the ironical aspect I guess that appeals to me.
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Reply #92 - Apr 9th, 2006 at 8:03pm
 
yep where all 'civilized'(pardon my spelling i'm sure) monkeys...so i guess he means where even worse then wild chimps Roll Eyes
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Reply #93 - Apr 9th, 2006 at 8:49pm
 
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I suppose.  Still, it's no good, just letting religion go unchallenged.  However, I find Catholics are more easy going; it's the hardcore, and not so hardcore, Anglicans/Evangelicals, etc, who are infuriatingly evolution-bashing.  Why?  It's a good theory.  Tells you a lot.  Why not use actual knowledge, science, experience, and everything else, to inform your worldview, rather than just assuming that some drug addicted, scared, weak, unhappy desert nomads knew all the answers?

So peyote is no good
? Roll Eyes............you just lost the Native American Church vote Grin
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Reply #94 - Apr 9th, 2006 at 9:01pm
 
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beat them with the origins of species:D i love it Cheesy

Yeah,  smite that Heathen! Grin
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Reply #95 - Apr 9th, 2006 at 9:06pm
 
whats the legal status of peyote anyway? not that i'm going to go out and try it, but it's pretty interesting.
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Reply #96 - Apr 9th, 2006 at 10:22pm
 
Try it? You can't even find it anymore!
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Reply #97 - Apr 9th, 2006 at 10:31pm
 
it was on the history channel a short while ago, they were talking about some ancient civilizations culture, and it involved peyote.
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Reply #98 - Apr 10th, 2006 at 5:41am
 
Legally, members of the Native American Church can take peyote, but no one else can.
  Nice addition to the discussion there, Mammoth.  I truly feel exactly the same way about Creationism, and I get out the punch bag every time a creationist is on tv.
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Reply #99 - Apr 10th, 2006 at 6:50am
 
I agree, these religion V Irreligion arguments always end the same way.


'The eye is perfect, it must have been made by a creator'

'But its NOT perfect! Why make such an imperfect perfection?'

'Ummm.... God moves in Mysterious Ways. Who are we to question him? Burn, Heretic!!!'



I do not have a problem with Creationism being taught in schools. If Rationalists refuse to allow kids access to all sides of an argument, are they not falling into the same sort of behaviour that Religions have? Stephen Hawking is a good example of an atheist who behaves like a Believer, and a nasty bigoted believer at that.

I say they should be allowed to teach both. At lunchtime the two teachers can have fist-fights in the schoolyard.

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Reply #100 - Apr 10th, 2006 at 8:47am
 
The point is not that Creationism should not be taught, but that it should not be taught as science.  It can, and is, taught in religious studies classes, and that is fine.  It is not science, and it should be taught thus.
  Religion is a fascinating part of the evolution of humans.  The reason it came about seems quite evident: in humans, as in certain primates, there are mirror neurons.  These are the parts of the brain that deal with empathy:  they allow the organism to learn and acquire skills faster based not on actually doing the activity, but seeing someone else doing it and mentally replicating it.  (You can see where the advantage comes in.)  The mirror neurons also, obviously, allow the organism to feel the pain of other organisms - empathy - again, an important, if secondary, advantage to the organism; it doesn't want similar organisms to die, narrowing the gene pool.  This leads it to believe that the organisms that are similar to it are "special."  The fact that they can feel the pain of others, due to the mirror neurons firing off passive pain receptors (a "mirror" of the event), makes the organism believe that there is a separation between "good" and "bad"; and this follows that, with the enlarged brain of advanced primates, there must be a reason behind the bad and the good - a God.  It's really rather simple.  And all one has to do is think a little outside the box, and we can see through the illusory notions given by the brain.
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Reply #101 - Apr 10th, 2006 at 11:59am
 
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Religion is a fascinating part of the evolution of humans. - english



 Fascinating?   Let's be honest.....your coy use of the term in light of your obvious contempt for such concept reveals more than a little angst concerning the issue.


Your above statement may be more accurately expressed:


"Evolution is a fascinating, vital and diversionary part of the religion of humans, namely me."


For it requires greater leaps of faith to close the chasms of her missing links than to believe in a God whose calling cards are etched upon all.  Even the hearts of the faithless.


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"Not one change of species into another is on record ... we cannot prove that a single species has been changed."- Charles Darwin



One of many pointed though largely dismissed facts regarding 'evolution'....is that of all the fossils on record.  None have been found in an interspecies transitory condition.


Even though, quite logically, there should be MYRIADS more of them than their 'stable' forms.  For, according to evolution's own religious theory,  for every modern example of a certain species....there should be hoardes and hoardes of examples of fossils exhibiting the long, arduous, journey from one species to another.


Even when living examples of ancient species are found....the Coelacanth for instance.....


They are shown to have not 'evolved' at all.  The Coelacanth, as is demonstrated on rare occasion, still swimming clumsily along with it's stubby fins, or as some priests of science like to faithfully refer to them.... 'legs'.


The thoughtless, brainless, mechanism that 'sees' the need to 'design' new appendages to adapt to the 'survival of the fittest' model......absent.


The Coelacanth swims today, looking exactly as the fossils unearthed from their burial places.....from millions of years ago.


Although there are myriad examples of life today which clearly show the amazing flexibility of species to adapt to environment WITHIN their species......


The fossil record is conspicuously devoid of any obvious interspecies 'mutations'.  Of which there should, statistically be many, many more than those uncovered......and if anything, this fact alone lends serious support against the the perverse religious supposition that is....'Evolution'.




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"The curious thing is that there is a consistency about the fossil gaps; the fossils are missing in all the important places."
(Francis Hitching, archaeologist).



"As is well known, most fossil species appear instantaneously in the fossil record."
(Tom Kemp, Oxford University)


"The fact that a theory so vague, so insufficiently verifiable, and so far from the criteria otherwise applied in 'hard' science has become a dogma can only be explained on sociological grounds."
(Ludwig von Bertalanffy, biologist)



"Micromutations do occur, but the theory that these alone can account for evolutionary change is either falsified, or else it is an unfalsifiable, hence metaphysical theory. I suppose that nobody will deny that it is a great misfortune if an entire branch of science becomes addicted to a false theory. But this is what has happened in biology: ... I believe that one day the Darwinian myth will be ranked the greatest deceit in the history of science. When this happens many people will pose the question: How did this ever happen?"
(S Lovtrup, Darwinism: The Refutation of a Myth (London:Croom Helm, p.422))



"If one allows the unquestionably largest experimenter to speak, namely nature, one gets a clear and incontrovertible answer to the question about the significance of mutations for the formation of species and evolution. They disappear under the competitive conditions of natural selection, as soap bubbles burst in a breeze."
(Evolutionist Herbert Nilson, Synthetische Artbildung (Lund, Sweden:Verlag CWK Gleerup Press, 1953, p 174)



"In all the thousands of fly-breeding experiments carried out all over the world for more than fifty years, a distinct new species has never been seen to emerge ... or even a new enzyme."
(Gordon Taylor, The Great Evolution Mystery (New York: Harper and Row, 1983, pp 34, 38)



"The uniform, continuous transformation of Hyracotherium into Equus, so dear to the hearts of generations of textbook writers, never happened in nature."
(George Simpson, palaeontologist and Evolutionist)





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Reply #102 - Apr 10th, 2006 at 12:18pm
 
Clearly you misunderstand the theory.  I meant what I said - religion is fascinating.
 You think creatures exist in transitory forms?  Of course not.  Each successive generation is a transitory form.  This can be seen through plants that have many generations very quickly: Thale Cress has 8 generations every year, and it's genetic mutations are frequently assessed and checked.  It mutates.  We know this.
 The simple truth is this: there is no such thing as a truly defined species.  Species change every generation.  There is no long arduous journey between species, apart from a single journey that began 4,000,000,000 years ago and is still going on, and will continue whilst there is still life.  DNA does not design.  It fluctuates and spasms and mutates and changes - it doesn't do it deliberately or with any method, rhyme, or reason.  The transitory stages are everywhere, not just in the fossil record.
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"In all the thousands of fly-breeding experiments carried out all over the world for more than fifty years, a distinct new species has never been seen to emerge ... or even a new enzyme."  
 The human race took, ooh, let's see, about 4,000,000,000 years of evolution to create, so in 50 years we should have... very little difference at all!  Similarly, the flies used in one experiment were/are not then used again in another experiment - you are using "virgin flies".
 One of the main reasons that religion is fascinating is because it actively makes human beings retard themselves.  Nothing else can do that.  Nothing else can make you deliberately ignore fact and reason.  
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The fossil record is conspicuously devoid of any obvious interspecies 'mutations'.  Of which there should, statistically be many, many more than those uncovered......and if anything, this fact alone lends serious support against the the perverse religious supposition that is....'Evolution'.
 So you are unaware of the oh-so-many different kinds of proto-human?  Homo erectus, australopithecus africanus/afarensis.... far too many to mention.  Ever poor old homo sapiens neanderthalis, butt of so many jokes and myths.
 It is a shame that a person who is reasonably intelligent should fly not just in the face, but right in the eyes, of fact and evidence, proof, science and reality.
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Reply #103 - Apr 10th, 2006 at 12:22pm
 
The coelacanth, by the way, varies too.  There are two species known, latimeria chalumnae and latimeria menadoensis.
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The simple truth is this: there is no such thing as a truly defined species.



And there we have it.


I get where you're coming from.  I see where you're going with this.  Wink


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I read ya.


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