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Reply #15 - Mar 8th, 2006 at 9:34pm
 
i imagine that the cloth would also distract/confuse the opponent. one would see the red cloth coming at them, not the dart, and so would not know how to react. this would effectively make them freeze and become a stationary target.

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Reply #16 - Mar 8th, 2006 at 9:43pm
 
It also stabilizes the throw so its more apt to hit point first . Which it does . I've heard of people blasting them thru doors . Look up Kuo Lien-Ying Ropedart for stories.

He use to guard caravans thru northern china with one for back up Smiley
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Reply #17 - Mar 9th, 2006 at 11:51am
 
Thanks Fritz_the_Cat, i might try that one day.
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Reply #18 - Mar 9th, 2006 at 12:04pm
 
Guard a caravan thru Northern China with a Ropedart for backup ? Tongue
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Reply #19 - Mar 9th, 2006 at 1:36pm
 
is that rope Really flexible or sortoff stifflike ??(i'm thinking of making one cause the ones i've seen for sale cost around 25$ and i'm pretty sure there not very useable... Undecided
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Reply #20 - Mar 9th, 2006 at 4:40pm
 
In the book from Bejing it says the rope was made of cotton and some others were out of hemp . Not only does it have to be strong but have a degree of non-slippage . So slippier ropes wound not be as good as the rope might slip doing twining . I think I'm making an 8 strand that has two spirals on it to fight slippage 8)
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Reply #21 - Mar 9th, 2006 at 5:33pm
 
Do you find it more or less difficult to use than a sling?

Very nice looking. What did you use to file it down with?
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Reply #22 - Mar 9th, 2006 at 6:10pm
 
Well its a bit different as the rope remains tied to the hurled object, the dart . Plus to much power and my current nylon rope turns into a big rubber band . So less energy at least at first with the only added motion , the quick step forward with the right foot to catch the falling dart  and its quick return to spinning energy by the help of gravity . Otherwise its the same . So then you can overhand throw it or spin the body 180 degrees and hurl it "backwards" underhand . There are twining techniques where the spin is redirected backwards also... Cheesy

I think its easier and its good cross training . You save on a big balistic net and you can do stuff without involving others 100s yards away Smiley

I hacksawed the head off and did the point which was half done and the body taper with a 10 inch single cut mill file. I used a round file to radius edge the drill hole Wink

I finish and keep up the finish with 400 grit carborendum paper
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Reply #23 - Mar 9th, 2006 at 7:25pm
 
very cool. using a figure eight throw would be interesting.

i wonder if a spike from home depot would work.

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Why is everyone calling the chain-link knot, monkey chain, or monkey knot? I have only heard it referred to as the chain-link knot or the chain-link hitch (when wrapped around something). This knot is actually one of the few knots I've seen that has some consistency in its name. 

Well, according to Willeke, whom I wouldn't want to argue with about knots.

"According to the Ashley Book Of Knots it is called a monkey chain or chain shortening. (Its number is #1144)
It is also known as crochet chain."

Well, I'll be calling it one of those three, and throw in Unsapien's two names just to confuse people  Wink
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Reply #24 - Mar 9th, 2006 at 8:06pm
 
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Well, according to Willeke, whom I wouldn't want to argue with about knots.

"According to the Ashley Book Of Knots it is called a monkey chain or chain shortening. (Its number is #1144)
It is also known as crochet chain."

Well, I'll be calling it one of those three, and throw in Unsapien's two names just to confuse people  Wink


Willeke knows her business, and Ashely's book is a major authorety. All I'm saying is we want to keep consistency.
I was looking at a more contemporary sources, like Geoffrey Budworth.

So has anyone mentioned putting this into the project yet? If knot (cough)... not then don't you think it should?
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Reply #25 - Mar 10th, 2006 at 9:45am
 
CanDo , How big is the spike ? perhaps it can be modified by upset blacksmithing .You want at least a half pound and thats considered light . Wheres Lobohunter when we need him ? Grin. Come on jump into the thread... Smiley

Here are the specs outta da book . The head is a trianular prism or a circular cone . Most common is a triangular prism with a pointed head . It is 13-23 centimetres long At the end of tail is a hole linked to a chain of three rings, the middle ring of which is linked with two other tinkling rings. The five rings are interlocked with each other, shaped like a flower petal . The last ring is tied to a 3 to 7 meter long rope . At the connection between ring and the rope are several coloured silk strips or a red tassel. At the other end of the rope is a handle , which is put on the wrist when the Ropedart is played . Among some people rings are not used and the rope is tied directly through thr hole in the dart, etc etc, A short explaination on how Ropedart was carried in old times...Now days the rope is between 3-4 meters long depending on the height of the user . And the darts are lighter ,about 200 to 300 grams .
Most of the dart heads are either tetrahedrons or cones.

As for lenght of rope...The practitioner puts the handle on the left wrist, grasps the rope with in both hands pulling the rope straight and raises the hands horizontally to both sides with the rope hanging down and the dart head just touching the ground . Smiley

Take my advice . Use a sand bag at the weight you want at first instead of a dart . Make your first dart dull or at least covered with a foam sheath and never NEVER JERK THE ROPE BACK Cry Shocked Cry at fullextension .

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Reply #26 - Mar 10th, 2006 at 1:39pm
 
Why are the connecting rings needed? Wouldn't it be stronger/easier/cleaner to just tie or splice the cord directly to the spike's eye?

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Reply #27 - Mar 10th, 2006 at 2:08pm
 
The Northern Chinese prefered the simple method of directly tieing dart to rope . The Southern liked the rings thing . Perhaps that little short chain saved some wear and tear on the rope . Nowdays for more flash and jingles they add the tinkle rings and colored ribbon . I'd like to try both methods . For outdoors hunting no ribbon or tinkle rings . The extra stuff is cool to watch during a demo . Cheesy
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Reply #28 - Mar 10th, 2006 at 2:43pm
 
rope dart hurts *rubs head* been trying all morning...
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Reply #29 - Mar 10th, 2006 at 3:25pm
 
Sorry ! Please try twirling same weight sandbag until you get the flow . It takes time and the Ropedart is difficult . But then is slinging . Embarrassed
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