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Re: Egyptian sling
Reply #90 - Apr 24th, 2009 at 8:02am
 
Timothy -

That is beautiful work. If slings were not made that way, they should have been!

Could you explain a little about the triangular loom? I'm not clear how that all works.
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Reply #91 - Apr 25th, 2009 at 11:22pm
 
wanderer wrote on Apr 24th, 2009 at 8:02am:
Timothy -

That is beautiful work. If slings were not made that way, they should have been!

Could you explain a little about the triangular loom? I'm not clear how that all works.


In the picture of the original sling, as well as in the picture of my sling, the pouch is folded so that the cords meet each other. Assuming my analysis of the original is correct, the pouch will also fold flat in half when the cords are pulled apart, and form an obtuse triangle. The loom I used shaped like this triangle. The warp strands go from the base of the triangle over the top and back down to the base on the other side. At the base, the warp strands from both sides of the triangle are held in place with another strand of yarn. In this manner the pouch is actually woven folded in half. Once the weaving is finished, the yarn holding the warps at the base of the loom is removed, and the pouch comes off the loom. This structure of pouch (I've come to call it a "Tut pouch") is not unique to ancient Egypt; I have seen examples from both Turkey and Afghanistan.

The American Museum of Natural History has two slings from Afghanistan with this type of pouch. There are links to this site elsewhere on the forum.

Here's a link to a Turkish sling with a Tut pouch:

http://140.247.102.177/col/shortDisplay.cfm?StartRow=1

It's the fourth one down the list of slings.

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Reply #92 - Apr 26th, 2009 at 3:41pm
 
Ya know Timothy, If ya had taken pictures I'm sure that would be on A$$-kicking Tutorial you could write for the Homepage Articles.

After the Burgess Reconstruction Article we would also have the method for doing the Tut Sling Wink

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Timothy Potter wrote on Apr 25th, 2009 at 11:22pm:
wanderer wrote on Apr 24th, 2009 at 8:02am:
Timothy -

That is beautiful work. If slings were not made that way, they should have been!

Could you explain a little about the triangular loom? I'm not clear how that all works.


In the picture of the original sling, as well as in the picture of my sling, the pouch is folded so that the cords meet each other. Assuming my analysis of the original is correct, the pouch will also fold flat in half when the cords are pulled apart, and form an obtuse triangle. The loom I used shaped like this triangle. The warp strands go from the base of the triangle over the top and back down to the base on the other side. At the base, the warp strands from both sides of the triangle are held in place with another strand of yarn. In this manner the pouch is actually woven folded in half. Once the weaving is finished, the yarn holding the warps at the base of the loom is removed, and the pouch comes off the loom. This structure of pouch (I've come to call it a "Tut pouch") is not unique to ancient Egypt; I have seen examples from both Turkey and Afghanistan.

The American Museum of Natural History has two slings from Afghanistan with this type of pouch. There are links to this site elsewhere on the forum.

Here's a link to a Turkish sling with a Tut pouch:

http://140.247.102.177/col/shortDisplay.cfm?StartRow=1

It's the fourth one down the list of slings.

-Timothy Potter

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Re: Egyptian sling
Reply #93 - May 1st, 2009 at 5:18pm
 
Timothy,

a beautyfull and very accurate work! Looks great! Do you have details of Tuts sling?
Concerning the shape of the pouch I had the experience that if you weave tight and hard the concave shape will form automatically as the higher tension of the weft forces the material to this (at least this is my interpretation). The concave shape is missing at another sling which I made first without weaving it as tight.

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Reply #94 - May 1st, 2009 at 8:04pm
 
Ok ya found it Smiley

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funda_iucunda wrote on May 1st, 2009 at 5:18pm:
Timothy,

a beautyfull and very accurate work! Looks great! Do you have details of Tuts sling?
Concerning the shape of the pouch I had the experience that if you weave tight and hard the concave shape will form automatically as the higher tension of the weft forces the material to this (at least this is my interpretation). The concave shape is missing at another sling which I made first without weaving it as tight.

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Reply #95 - May 2nd, 2009 at 6:00pm
 
funda_iucunda wrote on May 1st, 2009 at 5:18pm:
Timothy,

a beautyfull and very accurate work! Looks great! Do you have details of Tuts sling?
Concerning the shape of the pouch I had the experience that if you weave tight and hard the concave shape will form automatically as the higher tension of the weft forces the material to this (at least this is my interpretation). The concave shape is missing at another sling which I made first without weaving it as tight.

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The only information I had to go on with this sling was the Burton photograph. As to the shaping of the original, I looked at the angle formed by the warp strings down the middle of the sling, which looks pretty tight. I think that using tight tension to make the concave shape would make a more rounded, smooth shape, rather than the crisp V that's in the photograph. The sling in Manchester Museum that David Morningstar posted pictures of on this thread a few days ago might be an example of what the tension does to the shape. All this is just my own theory, and I'd love to see others' reconstructions to compare results.
When I have the time, I'll see if I can get some pictures of the loom I made, and how I used it. But Iím not exactly sure where I put it. In fact, though I hate to admit it, I misplaced Tut's sling when I was taking pictures for my website, and it hasn't been seen for several weeks. So, I may have to make another, and that might be better anyway, because then I could document the process.

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Reply #96 - May 3rd, 2009 at 1:57pm
 
Ok we seem to be talking about several diffrent slings here. There were two slings excavated in Tuts tomb by Dr. Carter. The one that David posted was of the First Lahun Sling.

Marc Adkins


Timothy Potter wrote on May 2nd, 2009 at 6:00pm:
funda_iucunda wrote on May 1st, 2009 at 5:18pm:
Timothy,

a beautyfull and very accurate work! Looks great! Do you have details of Tuts sling?
Concerning the shape of the pouch I had the experience that if you weave tight and hard the concave shape will form automatically as the higher tension of the weft forces the material to this (at least this is my interpretation). The concave shape is missing at another sling which I made first without weaving it as tight.

funda iucunda


The only information I had to go on with this sling was the Burton photograph. As to the shaping of the original, I looked at the angle formed by the warp strings down the middle of the sling, which looks pretty tight. I think that using tight tension to make the concave shape would make a more rounded, smooth shape, rather than the crisp V that's in the photograph. The sling in Manchester Museum that David Morningstar posted pictures of on this thread a few days ago might be an example of what the tension does to the shape. All this is just my own theory, and I'd love to see others' reconstructions to compare results.
When I have the time, I'll see if I can get some pictures of the loom I made, and how I used it. But Iím not exactly sure where I put it. In fact, though I hate to admit it, I misplaced Tut's sling when I was taking pictures for my website, and it hasn't been seen for several weeks. So, I may have to make another, and that might be better anyway, because then I could document the process.

-Timothy Potter

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Re: Egyptian sling
Reply #97 - May 4th, 2009 at 9:01pm
 
winkleried wrote on May 3rd, 2009 at 1:57pm:
Ok we seem to be talking about several diffrent slings here. There were two slings excavated in Tuts tomb by Dr. Carter. The one that David posted was of the First Lahun Sling.

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Yes, I was talking about the difference in shape between the pouches on the Tut sling I copied and the Lahun sling David posted.

By the way, I think that there were actually four slings in Tut's tomb. Two of them, which I assume are the ones you are referring to, are in this photograph:

http://www.griffith.ox.ac.uk/gri/carter/gallery/p1324.html

And the other two are in these photographs:

http://www.griffith.ox.ac.uk/gri/carter/gallery/p0086.html
http://www.griffith.ox.ac.uk/gri/carter/gallery/p0087.html

This is the card with the description of these two:

http://www.griffith.ox.ac.uk/gri/carter/021kk.html

They were labeled as a belt, but they sure look to me like slings. Somewhere on the forum I saw pictures of these in a museum display.

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Reply #98 - May 4th, 2009 at 9:14pm
 
Ok just making sure.
Based ont hose links I agree there could have been four.

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Timothy Potter wrote on May 4th, 2009 at 9:01pm:
winkleried wrote on May 3rd, 2009 at 1:57pm:
Ok we seem to be talking about several diffrent slings here. There were two slings excavated in Tuts tomb by Dr. Carter. The one that David posted was of the First Lahun Sling.

Marc Adkins


Yes, I was talking about the difference in shape between the pouches on the Tut sling I copied and the Lahun sling David posted.

By the way, I think that there were actually four slings in Tut's tomb. Two of them, which I assume are the ones you are referring to, are in this photograph:

http://www.griffith.ox.ac.uk/gri/carter/gallery/p1324.html

And the other two are in these photographs:

http://www.griffith.ox.ac.uk/gri/carter/gallery/p0086.html
http://www.griffith.ox.ac.uk/gri/carter/gallery/p0087.html

This is the card with the description of these two:

http://www.griffith.ox.ac.uk/gri/carter/021kk.html

They were labeled as a belt, but they sure look to me like slings. Somewhere on the forum I saw pictures of these in a museum display.

-Timothy Potter

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Reply #99 - Feb 7th, 2010 at 7:47am
 

I had another look at the Manchester museum sling today. By taking out a sling of my own and reproducing all the bends and loops of the original cord I got a length of 23 inches for the retention cord, not including the pouch, which I guesstimate to be 6" x2". The retention loop is so  tiny I can only surmise it was used as a slipknot with the retention cord pushed through it.
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Reply #100 - Feb 7th, 2010 at 7:00pm
 
Get us pics and info of this sling. It's a new one on me.
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Reply #101 - Feb 7th, 2010 at 8:31pm
 
Badger, If this is the same sling I am thinking of, it is what I call Lahun I in my ground school class.

Wil try and get ya pics either tonight or tomorrow night

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Get us pics and info of this sling. It's a new one on me.

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Reply #102 - Feb 8th, 2010 at 4:24am
 

You've seen it before, its this one:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/23628261@N07/3468684001/

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Reply #103 - Feb 9th, 2010 at 5:32am
 
Do you know what is it made of? Some kind of grass?
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Reply #104 - Feb 9th, 2010 at 1:56pm
 
Fundibularius wrote on Feb 9th, 2010 at 5:32am:
Do you know what is it made of? Some kind of grass?


Flax cord, I think. Maybe hemp.
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