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Roy Senior Member Offline That was'nt a duck... that was a rock. Posts: 404 Foothills of the Appalachians Gender:	Re: Inka firebombs. Reply #30 - Feb 8^th, 2006 at 7:46pm First thing I would test out would be the pitch and cotton.
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Re: Inka firebombs.
Reply #31 - Feb 9^th, 2006 at 1:51pm

One thing...
Do we know for a fact that the incas had cotton?
Most of the peruvian clothing nowadays is made from llama/alpaca wool.
If they only had wool, it would be futile wrapping it around a hot stone, as wool=hair.. And hair doesn`t burn.. Just smells foul..

And if the incas didn`t have cotton... Well....

What do you know-it-all's figure they used then? Tongue

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Roy Senior Member Offline That was'nt a duck... that was a rock. Posts: 404 Foothills of the Appalachians Gender:	Re: Inka firebombs. Reply #32 - Feb 9^th, 2006 at 3:50pm Linen or hemp. more than one type of flammable plant out there.
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Roy Senior Member Offline That was'nt a duck... that was a rock. Posts: 404 Foothills of the Appalachians Gender:	Re: Inka firebombs. Reply #33 - Feb 9^th, 2006 at 3:52pm or maybe jute...
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Douglas_The_Black Interfector Viris Spurii Offline Hakkaa päälle! Posts: 3491 Salineville Ohio Gender:	Re: Inka firebombs. Reply #34 - Feb 9^th, 2006 at 4:45pm how about bark?
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Roy Senior Member Offline That was'nt a duck... that was a rock. Posts: 404 Foothills of the Appalachians Gender:	Re: Inka firebombs. Reply #35 - Feb 9^th, 2006 at 5:17pm Never heard of any bark used for fabric. Hemp, flax, jute can be broken down into fibers that then can be twisted (or spun) into string.
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Douglas_The_Black Interfector Viris Spurii Offline Hakkaa päälle! Posts: 3491 Salineville Ohio Gender:	Re: Inka firebombs. Reply #36 - Feb 9^th, 2006 at 5:24pm I think the thin inner bark of most trees can do that too. I have never tryed so i dont know.
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Roy Senior Member Offline That was'nt a duck... that was a rock. Posts: 404 Foothills of the Appalachians Gender:	Re: Inka firebombs. Reply #37 - Feb 9^th, 2006 at 5:34pm I'm sure you could, I know very little of such things, just was thinking of other plant products that may have been mistaken as cotton.
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Reply #38 - Aug 26^th, 2012 at 5:12am

Stones and ceramic can be heated red hot in a camp fire.Ceramic,quite easily,stones,harder.
They store a LOT of heat and preserve it for a very long time. A 10 second flight,especially if they're wrapped in cotton,they would lose very little heat,and arrive almost just as hot.Dense stones are better at storing more heat.
If you would take a piece of cotton,add a small amount of pitch on top,than take a hot\red hot stone\ceramic from the fire with wooden clamps,place it on the cotton patch placed on the sling pouch,the melt pitch should glue the cotton unto the stone,than sling it away. They should burst into flames as they travel fast through the air and get a lot of oxygen.
Another method would be to have the cotton patch on the ground,place the hot rock,roll it with the clamps so the cotton patch would cover all around the stone,than put the patched stone with the clamps into the pouch,than sling away.
The sling pouch could be wetted to not catch fire,and the pitch not stick unto it. The pitch should be a small amount to not pour out of the patch unto the sling pouch.
During a siege they would have camp fires anyways,and sieges are not done in a hurry and IMO it's absolutely possible to do this.
I'll have to try this one night...

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Re: Inka firebombs.
Reply #39 - Aug 26^th, 2012 at 9:20am

And also, FWIW, in the southeastern US and up the Mississippi River valley, thepre European contact peoples' clothing was made of the inner bark of the Red Mulberry tree. They would pound it for fibers, twist the fibers into thread and then hand weave the threads into cloth. Judging by the impression on fiber marked pottery shards that I have found, it could vary from pretty good cloth to about like burlap, depending on how skilled and how much time the weaver wanted to spend making it. How flamable it would be, I don't have a clue, but mulberry is an oily wood, so I suspect it would burn very hot once it ignited in flight. But the knowledge and technology were there to make bark cloth.

When I fire my clay glandes, I can toss the red hot glande in a bucket of water, pull it out with my bare hand and hold it for a few seconds, the water will evaporate and the glande will get hot and I will have to drop it. If you heat up a rock or clay glande, you will have much more than just a few seconds to wrap it in whatever you wrap it in, you are talking C600+ degrees, it won't cool that fast.

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Bibbs Tiro Offline Laugh at the joke Posts: 41 Panama city, fl usa Gender:	Re: Inka firebombs. Reply #40 - Aug 26^th, 2012 at 6:38pm What about soaking a sling in water, coating in fresh mud/clay, or some other not flammable substance, sound like some testing may be in order
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ghost0311-8541 Senior Member Offline Slinging Rocks! Posts: 392 Florida Gender:	Re: Inka firebombs. Reply #41 - Aug 26^th, 2012 at 10:40pm To make fire you need three things heat fuel and air when the rock was heated there is your heat then the cotton in the pitch is the fuel when slung the air that was passing over it was enough to make it burst in to flames take away any one of the three then you would not have the fire bomb
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Re: Inka firebombs.
Reply #42 - Aug 27^th, 2012 at 2:00am

Bill Skinner wrote on Aug 26^th, 2012 at 9:20am:

And also, FWIW, in the southeastern US and up the Mississippi River valley, thepre European contact peoples' clothing was made of the inner bark of the Red Mulberry tree. They would pound it for fibers, twist the fibers into thread and then hand weave the threads into cloth. Judging by the impression on fiber marked pottery shards that I have found, it could vary from pretty good cloth to about like burlap, depending on how skilled and how much time the weaver wanted to spend making it. How flamable it would be, I don't have a clue, but mulberry is an oily wood, so I suspect it would burn very hot once it ignited in flight. But the knowledge and technology were there to make bark cloth.

When I fire my clay glandes, I can toss the red hot glande in a bucket of water, pull it out with my bare hand and hold it for a few seconds, the water will evaporate and the glande will get hot and I will have to drop it. If you heat up a rock or clay glande, you will have much more than just a few seconds to wrap it in whatever you wrap it in, you are talking C600+ degrees, it won't cool that fast.

Not familiar with red mulberry,but i would bet,that any dry fiber,slightly soaked in melt pitch and a ~800C stone\clay heating it,plus the 200 km wind blowing on it,would make it burn. And yes it's very possible to get 800C in a big campfire. Pottery gets fully fired at 900-1000 C So it was possible way back then.

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Re: Inka firebombs.
Reply #43 - Aug 27^th, 2012 at 2:02am

ghost0311-8541 wrote on Aug 26^th, 2012 at 10:40pm:

To make fire you need three things heat fuel and air when the rock was heated there is your heat then the cotton in the pitch is the fuel when slung the air that was passing over it was enough to make it burst in to flames take away any one of the three then you would not have the fire bomb

Yep,pretty much.Although without the hot stone,to keep things real hot,the burning pitch,oil,gas or most flam.mat. would go out from the strong wind.

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Bill Skinner Forum Moderation Offline Slinging Rocks! Posts: 3292	Re: Inka firebombs. Reply #44 - Aug 27^th, 2012 at 10:18am You are right about the temps, I was being conservative. And I have made pottery in a fire, I just don't do it this time of year, it's too hot to be standing around a fire...
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