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Reply #90 - Oct 15th, 2005 at 1:19pm
 
just fill a tennis ball with match heads and shot it out a spudzooka
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Reply #91 - Oct 15th, 2005 at 7:27pm
 
I just tried the little fireball and the cotton did go out when it went through the air, so I decided to make it more flammable. I dabbed sizzling pine sap on the rock, then put the cotton on, and then completely covered the cotton in more pine sap. I didn't shoot it, but instead just lit it and put  it on the ground and watched it burn. The pitch is incredible! It burned for 5 minutes just sitting on a rock! I don't even think the cotton was needed. And when that pitch catches on fire, it really is hot! I still have a welt on my finger from this afternoon.  Cry  But really, I would love to just launch one of these at a nice dry thatched house  Grin
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Reply #92 - Oct 15th, 2005 at 9:53pm
 
pitch is fun. Some day try to get some KNO3 and dump that in with the pitch. Its hard to put it out! Some day try burning greese it burns quite well.
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Reply #93 - Oct 16th, 2005 at 10:32am
 
KN03??

With pitch, do you have to boil it first to get out all the impurities and then boil it again. Just like in the instructions in guides and articals section? Or are there other ways to prepare it?
Just curious. Haven't tried anything yet. Maybe I'll launch something in my new onager when I'm done building it!!

Would grease from store bought steak patties work? Will I need to prepare it in anyway?

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Reply #94 - Oct 17th, 2005 at 3:54pm
 
KNO3 is just saltpeter stands for K=potassium N=nitrate O= oxygen

potassium nitrate Smiley

anyway i dont know i would light the fires on the ground first see how it burns then throw.
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Reply #95 - Oct 24th, 2005 at 1:35pm
 
Try melt the grease/tallow and soak napkins/toilet paper/any soft paper in it, let it cool. I call these things "fireslugs" and they are perfect for lighitng fires in rain.
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Okay: Waxes, grease, tallow and butter can be used to make a violently burning mixture by melting them and letting sawdust, napkins, toilet paper, shredded straw, thin wooden shavings and such absorb it, then letting it cool. Wax and sawdust is best of all wax mixes and shoe polish with a napkins is good too, shoe polish alone burns well and if you add sawdust to it, sticky, very flammable paste is the result. Tallow and grease are generally better for use with absorbent paper than anything else and they are runny when they burn, igniting anything they are lying on. Pitch is good to add in bigger pieces to paste or jelly-like mixtures to prolong flame duration. Also, napalm with several golfball-sized pieces of wax-sawdust mix is interesting... They burn and roll away, spreading the diameter of destruction. My most dangerou invention is called "Inferno in a jar" and is composed of styrofoam napalm to which sulphur-KMnO4 mix is added. This mix is unstable, so mix shortly before use. Mix well and light. It cannot be extinguished by normal means and the temperature is extremely high, enough to warp metal things in proximity and burn through thin sheet metal.
Also, lighting pool of napalm in which a butane pressure bottle for blowtorch is floating yields interesting effect, as well as placing small charge of black powder under a bag of gasoline... but that's no longer primitive, I see.
Quick and dirty way to primitive incendiary: Melt anything waxy or gresy, soak it into something flammable and porous, ideally divided into fine particles, and you have fine incendiary.
Easiest explosive(propellant) is made by dry mixing saltpeter and sugar. Wet mixing(add hot water until it is dissolved, then cook it on low heat until it has fudge-like consistency, then spread it on a sheet, dry a bit and press through a window mesh to granulate, dry further) is better, after that you have something that can power a shotgun or some other long-barreled big bore. It burns too slow to be of any use for pistols. Bottle-necked rifle cartridges are good and long barrels are mandatory, but the power is good.
You can make ceramic grenades from this propellant and thick-walled round shaped clay vase. Power is not great, but then again, what do you expect from thing that is around from the invention of means of obtaining saltpeter from manure?
DISCLAIMER: I am not responsible for anything you do with this information or any information for that matter. If you blow something up or burn it down, you are on your own. Enjoy.
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Reply #96 - Oct 24th, 2005 at 4:10pm
 
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Reply #97 - Oct 24th, 2005 at 5:27pm
 
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Reply #98 - Oct 27th, 2005 at 2:15pm
 
Haha. It's a lot simpler than I though it would be. Thanks man.

Just got finished reading the thing between techstuf and beaverbutt.(I know there are others in that convo but can't remember who)
Sorry techstuf, but I perhaps it will help you to know that..... I gurantee to everyone that I'll be carefull and will use these in as much of a mature manner as I can. Of which, don't mean to sound proudfull, I believe I can do well.
And I will also do it under the supervision of an adult.

Hope that helps ease anyones mind. Even though none of you know me personally and cannot hold me to it, I will still fulfill it. Smiley

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Reply #99 - Oct 27th, 2005 at 3:09pm
 
just yesterday i put wood shavings in a jar full of saltpeter and water, today i took out the shaveings and mixed that in with some melted wax. It burns quite well, im thinking of adding a little carbon to the mix nexttime.
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Reply #100 - Oct 29th, 2005 at 1:14pm
 
stenny what are you calling napalm ?
Napalm should spontaneously combust in normal atmosphere, so if you're having to light it - it's not napalm mate.
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Reply #101 - Oct 29th, 2005 at 4:21pm
 
i think napalm is just a very general term that most of us use.  Smiley
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Reply #102 - Oct 30th, 2005 at 4:13am
 
Noooo... Napalm, true napalm, is just gelled gasoline and nothing else. There ARE modifications, however, that include white phosphorous for igniting the gas by contact with air or adding high-percentage hydrogen peroxide, this mix ignites when it hits the ground after being thrown from airplane. Tried additives include brick dust and quartz sand for white hot slag on the napalm blob, naphthalene for thicker smoke nad higher burning temperature, coal dust and sawdust to prolong burning, numerous else. But the "NaPalm" term refers to Naphthalene and Palmitate, which were originally used to gel the gasoline. Today's napalm can be any gelled hydrocarbon, because numerous variats was tested.
My napalm is mixture of styrofoam, toluene and gasoline. Sometimes I add something, but there is no room to discuss it - no PMs, as well.
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Reply #103 - Oct 30th, 2005 at 11:12am
 
fair enough :-)
And you play with this a lot do you ?

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(take a look at the topic title). So basically any kind of complex hydrocarbon with the exception of crude oil and tar and some sugars - which occur naturally. Can not be primitive as they are all distilled and or cracked which is not a primitive skill.

In fact I'm not sure it's possible to have primitive explosives - in the true meaning of the word.
With the possible exception of naturally occuring flammable gasses contained in some kind of membrane. Methane balloons made with intestine - for an example.

This would actually be an interesting topic - if it hadn't been somewhat sidetracked :-)
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Reply #104 - Oct 30th, 2005 at 11:12am
 
ive heard that aluminum foil rolled into balls in a bottle of detergent explodes but other than that im not much hel Undecidedp
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