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Almulek
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Velocity Determination
Oct 27th, 2004 at 1:06pm
 
One can find the velocity of a projectile with a pendulum. Shoot a rock at a pendulum. The pendulum must have a known mass distribution.  The projectile must NOT bounce. In other words, the projectile must “stick” to the pendulum. 

The physics principles that are applicable are:

Momentum = V*mass.  Not V*weight.  This is a common mistake.

Momentum is always conserved (as opposed to kinetic energy which usually isn’t conserved.)

Momentum of the projectile before impact with the pendulum must equal the momentum of the pendulum-projectile combo at the moment after impact.

Upon impact, the pendulum will start to swing.  The velocity of the pendulum-projectile combo right after impact gives rise to a quantity called kinetic energy = (1/2) *m*v^2 (where m = mass of the pendulum-projectile combo, and v = velocity of the same combo).

As the pendulum-projectile combo swings, it is displaced from the equilibrium position.  This will cause the center of gravity of the pendulum to be raised.  The ascent of the center of gravity gives rise to a quantity that in physics is called potential energy.  Potential energy = m*g*h.

The potential energy of the pendulum-projectile combo at the apex of the swing = to the kinetic energy of the pendulum-projectile combo at the start of the swing.
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Re: Velocity Determination
Reply #1 - Oct 27th, 2004 at 1:23pm
 
Here are some examples:

If pendulum mass =20 kg, projectile mass =200 grams, projectile velocity = 100 m/s
then pendulum will raise 5 cm.

If pendulum mass =10 kg, projectile mass =200 grams, projectile velocity = 100 m/s
Then pendulum will raise 20 cm.

Pendulum mass =5 kg, projectile mass =200 grams, projectile velocity = 100 m/s
Pendulum will raise 80 cm.

Pendulum mass =20 kg, projectile mass =200 grams, projectile velocity = 50 m/s
Pendulum will raise 1.25 cm.

Pendulum mass =10 kg, projectile mass =200 grams, projectile velocity = 50 m/s
Pendulum will raise 5 cm.

Pendulum mass =5 kg, projectile mass =200 grams, projectile velocity = 50 m/s
Pendulum will raise 20 cm.

If pendulum mass =20 kg, projectile mass =140 grams, projectile velocity = 60 m/s
then pendulum will raise 0.88 cm.

If pendulum mass =10 kg, projectile mass =140 grams, projectile velocity = 60 m/s
then pendulum will raise 3.5 cm.

Pendulum mass =5 kg, projectile mass =140 grams, projectile velocity = 60 m/s
Pendulum will raise 14 cm.
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Re: Velocity Determination
Reply #2 - Oct 27th, 2004 at 7:56pm
 
Quote:
The potential energy of the pendulum-projectile combo at the apex of the swing = to the kinetic energy of the pendulum-projectile combo at the start of the swing.


You can adjust for friction (air and bearing) by letting the motion of the pendulum slowly come to a stop.
Then extrapolate back up to the initial velocity at impact.
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Reply #3 - Oct 27th, 2004 at 9:31pm
 
Nice posts Almulek. Are you going to build one? I sure could use some empirical data to back up some of the theoretical work... I'm hoping to put mine through its paces later next month.

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Re: Velocity Determination
Reply #4 - Nov 4th, 2004 at 10:44am
 
Here is an item of interest for experimenters. Also search under “Swing Speed Radar”.
I’m still working on my ballistic pendulum just for fun.

http://www.gloveradar.com/
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Re: Velocity Determination
Reply #5 - Nov 4th, 2004 at 12:02pm
 
UMMM URRR i like slings ???
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