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Reply #105 - Aug 22nd, 2010 at 5:55pm
 
Congratulations peacefuljeffrey!  I'm going to try knitting a symmetrical sling (Thanks for the instructions with pictures, Matthias.  I have a hard time reading and explaining knitting instructions, although I can tell when something finally "looks right").

By the way, my first sling (70 inches end to end) went through washer and dryer with a load of my laundry, and to my surprise it shrank a little.  It's now 63 inches end to end, and the stitches look smaller.  I had a short knitted sling sample I compared it to.  The slings are made of No. 18 nylon seine twine.  I didn't know nylon could shrink, but maybe laundromat dryers are just extremely hot.
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Re:  From net to knit...
Reply #106 - Aug 22nd, 2010 at 6:53pm
 
Pictures! Pictures!

I'm curious about how it looks on bigger needles - must be able to sling cantaloupes Smiley. Now that you've got one you could be cranking out different designs in no time! I really like the knitted cords, but the pouch does adapt really well to braided ones, or even paracord, for a whole lot less labour.

I've always wanted to take it the other direction, with smaller twine, denser stitches. You could use knitting to make a really beautiful patterned pocket with enough patience.

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  • 3  s1p, k1, m1, k1, m1, k2
  • 4  s1p, p5, k1 (rest of even rows to follow same pattern unless noted)
  • 5  s1p, k2, m1, k1 ,m1, k3
  • 7  s1p, k3, m1, k1 ,m1, k4
  • 9  s1p, k10
  • 10  s1p, p3, m1, p3 ,m1, p3, k1
  • 11  s1p, k12
  • 13  s1p, k3, m1, k5 ,m1, k4


  • Ok, I misunderstood your question... The increase at 10 is moved to the purl (even) row to give a smoother taper to the pouch. It's clearly visible in the close-up: The pattern increases every 2 rows at first, then every 3 for the last two. It seems about right, but sticking to knit rows you could either leave out the fade for a more square-shouldered pouch, or skip 4 rows instead of 3.

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    As for even or odd total number of rows, it makes no difference (ok maybe one row longer). Many patterns only give instructions for every other row, with alternate rows being simpler/all purl etc. I suppose technically you could call the last (even) row of the pouch a k3 instead of jumping straight back to I-cord?

    Thanks jeffrey, timann, evoli.

    Interesting experience with the shrinkage! Nylon can do some strange things with moisture and heat, although most think of the synthetics as pretty "permanent". Some of the nylon fishing trawls I work with shrink something fierce as they age, but I hadn't made that connection! Braided twine is particularly bad - it seems to "bulk" up and get proportionally shorter as grit gets into it and some of the fibres break. I really like the idea of shrinking/fulling/felting knit slings... Would work a treat in wool to really toughen one up, and give you a finished gauge that would otherwise be near-impossible to knit!

    peacefuljeffrey: One of the more interesting projects I've been involved with. A long time ago I designed some very specialised machinery to dehair and process muskox wool with the idea that it would serve as the basis for a small local industry in the Canadian arctic. At one point we had most of a small woolen mill running in the lab.
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    Re:  From net to knit...
    Reply #107 - Aug 22nd, 2010 at 6:53pm
     
    peacefuljeffrey wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 2:07am:
    Many thanks to Matthias for his exceptional sling design, and to him and others for their assistance. Smiley
    I could not have done this without the help that has been graciously given.

    I believe this is now far and away my favorite sling design.

    For my first sling I knit the fingerloop, my mother spliced it together, I knit the first I-cord, and my mother did the pouch and finished it "because I was taking so long". The next 2 slings I made I gradually learned how to do more from her until I finally made one by myself months later. You did your sling without any physical help, and did it by yourself the first time. I think you were minimally whiny given how little help you had. Wink

    My later slings have been #21 seine twine on 3 mm needles, and I have plans for a flat Garter stitch fingerloop sling.
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    Pikåru wrote on Nov 19th, 2013 at 6:59pm:
    Massi - WTF? It's called a sling. You use it to throw rocks farther and faster than you could otherwise. That's all. 
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    Reply #108 - Aug 22nd, 2010 at 9:58pm
     
    Timann, if your mother is willing to knit you a sling, would she be willing to teach you the skills to do it yourself? I think you'll get a huge amount of satisfaction from having done it yourself. I personally always feel happier being able to make or do something for myself than have it done for me (although of course that's not always feasible).

    Sorry about pictures -- it may take a little while before I get the chance to post some, since I don't have home internet service (I've been posting from my iPhone lately, for the most part). I do want to share it, though; I don't think I've ever been prouder of a sling I made.
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    Reply #109 - Aug 22nd, 2010 at 10:13pm
     
    Masiakasaurus, thanks for putting that into perspective. When I look at it in terms of having gone, in one week, from thinking, "This is something that's simply outside of what I have the capacity to do," to actually starting and finishing one in two nights, I guess it is a pretty proud accomplishment.

    In fact, when I started knitting the yellow twine into an I-cord, I wasn't really fully believing that it would end up being a complete, functional sling. I thought, when I started, that I might just be puttering around!

    Now I need to select and obtain a new material for the next sling. You guys have been talking about #18 seine twine, etc. What is that, what does the number mean, what's it made of, and where do you typically find it for sale?
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    Reply #110 - Aug 22nd, 2010 at 11:22pm
     
    #18 Seine Twine is a kind of mason line made from nylon. The #18 is a size measurement that is prominent on the packaging. I buy mine from Ace Hardware, but I've seen it in Lowes.
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    Pikåru wrote on Nov 19th, 2013 at 6:59pm:
    Massi - WTF? It's called a sling. You use it to throw rocks farther and faster than you could otherwise. That's all. 
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    Reply #111 - Aug 23rd, 2010 at 3:46am
     
    Masiakasaurus wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 11:22pm:
    #18 Seine Twine is a kind of mason line made from nylon. The #18 is a size measurement that is prominent on the packaging. I buy mine from Ace Hardware, but I've seen it in Lowes.



    I'll check around for it soon. Your information that it displays "#18" prominently will surely help.

    The stuff I used is from the mason twine area at The Home Depot, so for all I know maybe it's the same and I just didn't know it.

    I plan to get some in white and use RIT dye to
    make it blue.
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    Reply #112 - Aug 23rd, 2010 at 12:32pm
     
    I`ll admit you`re right, peacefuljeffrey, I`ll have to put "learning to knit" on my to-do list Smiley.  
    Don`t think I`ll knit a sling before first Christmas, though Wink
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    PS I went over to my mother and had her teach me the basic of knitting. 
    I learned how to get a basic work started, but appearently I need a couple more lessons before I can knit a sling Cheesy.
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    Reply #113 - Aug 24th, 2010 at 5:18am
     
    Timann, congratulations on getting on your way with knitting.
    Lucky you for getting to learn from your mother.

    That was my plan -- to have my mom teach me to knit. But it didn't occur to me that I wanted that until she got sick. Her health declined too quickly and soon she was gone, so when I was ready, I went to a yarn store and signed up for a beginner class. In my mind, it was to honor her, and in addition to that, it's something I did feel made sense to know how to do. Now it's something I love knowing how to do.
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    Reply #114 - Aug 24th, 2010 at 6:26am
     
    So, I finished a new sling (#2) tonight, made of thin hemp twine.
    It came out ok, but since it's hemp, it has some thick and thin spots. I guess it will be a functional sling, but to be blunt, I'm always skeptical about how well natural fiber will hold up. It doesn't seem as tough as other slings I've made of pretty well-wearing nylon paracord or utility cord. Those have never shown wear. But, I've wanted a natural material sling for a while and now I have one.

    I love the idea that this sling is made of a single strand of a single material all the way through from end to end. Smiley  That is one of the main charms of this design for me.
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    Reply #115 - Aug 24th, 2010 at 2:33pm
     
    Since this thread kicked me into learning how to knit, I`ll show result of my first steps here; my best rectangle so far Cheesy
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    Reply #116 - Aug 24th, 2010 at 6:18pm
     
    Timann, it is awesome for me to witness a nascent knitter getting started.
    I am very happy for you! I know that you will find being able to knit to be an enrichment of your life. Smiley

    Your sample there looks very good! Is that hemp? Make sure to forgive yourself for any irregularity in your gauge when you knit hemp; I've found it is notoriously tough to work with, and the gauge is very sensitive to even small variations in your needle work. I think it's because it doesn't stretch and then spring back as you go.

    So, have you learned how to bind off? That's crucial to know, but fortunately it's easy to learn. (It isn't something you'll need for the sling, though.) I think it's one of the knitting tools that can be done in an assortment of ways, too, just like casting on. I haven't yet learned a whole lot of different ones. Most times you can get away with knowing just a few, it seems.
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    Reply #117 - Aug 24th, 2010 at 11:26pm
     
    Masiakasaurus wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 11:22pm:
    #18 Seine Twine is a kind of mason line made from nylon. The #18 is a size measurement that is prominent on the packaging. I buy mine from Ace Hardware, but I've seen it in Lowes.


    Can you tell me if the stuff you get is twisted or braided?

    The yellow stuff I used is braided -- and I much prefer it because it behaves right and won't untwist.
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    Reply #118 - Aug 24th, 2010 at 11:28pm
     
    It's twisted, but I've not had any problems with untwisting.
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    Massi - WTF? It's called a sling. You use it to throw rocks farther and faster than you could otherwise. That's all. 
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    Reply #119 - Aug 24th, 2010 at 11:38pm
     
    I just emailed you a picture of my sling.  I'm not able to post it to a hosting site like Photobucket right now because of my hobbled internet situation, but eventually I will.  If you'd care to, you have my permission to post it here, in the meanwhile.


    As for the #18 seine twine ... I once bought a spool of cord (it's gone now and I don't remember what ever happened to it) that was very dark brown, almost black, that was sold in an outdoor sporting goods store.  I think it was intended as line for pulling duck decoys.  It was almost waxed, I think.  I bet it would have been good for use as knitted sling material.  It was flexible, but somewhat stiff -- stiffer than the mason's twine I've used, anyway.  And I remember it being quite tough.  I'll have to see about getting more of it.
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