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Reply #120 - Nov 29th, 2004 at 2:40am
 
So is this the rig you used to set your 150 m record?


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This thread was forgotten and without finishing, and also I remember I´ve promised some pictures about, so I return to it after having been practicing something with the cestro these holidays. I have reproduced faithfully the design of the dart according to the clasic authors, but I´ve found it a little heavy and it does not work very well, requiring much ability to send it and that it flies right. I have made some modern darts, lighter and more stable in flight, and then everything works perfectly. I have used the type of sling that I described previously in the thread and that I suppose is the most likely interpretation of clasic texts. The images clarifies the subject by themselves.

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The dart of the image, even been modern, approach the classic design as far as the relative dimensions, the positioning of the fins in half of the shaft, etc. Nevertheless, the dart is shorter, about a foot, and the weight is about 200 grs.The iron is a tube to insert the shaft, and one end is squashed and sharpened to make the point. Also it has been partially filled up with melted lead to give the suitable weight that would have a massive iron point. The fins are the conventional ones of the arrows. The image of the dart is from some months ago and is the only image I keep up, although the last darts I´ve made and experiment with are lighter, of about 100 grs, with the iron point shortened to the half and the fins placed more towards the end to give more stability to the flight. With this last design the flight is very straight and the range is surprising, as much as to lose all darts I´ve made  Undecided.

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Reply #121 - Nov 29th, 2004 at 3:22am
 
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...and a mill to cut the slots for the fletches...



Could you describe how you set up the mill and secured the shaft to do this? Thanks.   
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Reply #122 - Nov 29th, 2004 at 9:02am
 
how did you make that dart?
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Reply #123 - Dec 30th, 2004 at 5:20pm
 
Just bringing this one to the front.
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Reply #124 - Mar 25th, 2005 at 11:54pm
 
Does anyone on the forum have access to a journal called Arms & Armour?  An upcoming issue is supposed to have an article on the cestrosphendone:

http://www.maney.co.uk/articles-aaa
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Reply #125 - Mar 26th, 2005 at 7:57am
 
well i made a kestrose a few months back, and i could not get it to work. All i could do was tangel and twist the cords. sadly i gave up.  Sad

but i think that i may give it another shot.  Smiley
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Reply #126 - Mar 27th, 2005 at 8:13am
 
Duck, thanks for your quote about that journal Arms and Armours, it´ll be most interesting to have this article on cestrosphendon here if someone can get it. When I´ve the time I´ll post some images of  my last reconstruccion of the weapon that works perfectly.

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Reply #127 - Mar 27th, 2005 at 9:09pm
 
I really want to read that article! Anyone subscribe to this magazine?


Hondero,
I would like to see your latest design.

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Reply #128 - Mar 29th, 2005 at 2:07am
 
It appears that Arms and Armour is based out of Leeds, UK.  Ought to be some Brits on the forum who have access to it...
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Reply #129 - Mar 30th, 2005 at 1:50am
 
Hondero,

Are those wooden flights?
Did you glue them on or something?

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Reply #130 - Mar 30th, 2005 at 3:58am
 
I could probably find a copy or two of that magazine somewhere.  I'll have a look.
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Reply #131 - Mar 31st, 2005 at 3:39pm
 
Robert, the fins are made of plastic, inserted into the shaft and glued. Well, is a modern cestro but I´ve tried also wooden fins an they work  worse. By the way, do you think that a plumbata could be thrown with a sling like a cestro? The table 6 of Chris pictures show a thing that can be a cestro or a plumbata, may be Chris can clarify the subjet...
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Reply #132 - May 10th, 2005 at 4:19pm
 
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I could probably find a copy or two of that magazine somewhere.  I'll have a look.


English, did you find that article on cestrosphendon? It´s most interesting  Shocked
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Reply #133 - Jun 11th, 2005 at 2:44am
 
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I´ve tried also wooden fins an they work  worse.


If the purpose of fins was simply stabilization in flight, why wouldn't feather fletching work?  Why do the ancient sources particularly specify wood, which makes for rigid rather than flexible fins?  In addition to stabilization, could the fins also have served as rigid lugs that could have held the dart in the sling?  Just a thought. 

Anybody heard when that article is supposed to be coming out?
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Reply #134 - Jun 11th, 2005 at 10:50pm
 
i tried making a cestrosphendone and it would fly well if I threw it by hand, but when I used the sling, it spun around and did flips. What am I doing wrong?
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