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Message started by Kick on Mar 3rd, 2025 at 2:41pm

Title: Slingers depicted on tomb in Beni Hasan
Post by Kick on Mar 3rd, 2025 at 2:41pm
Just found this picture of a wall painting on the wall of the tomb of an Egyptian Official, Baqet III, from the 21st Century BCE.

It's known as Beni Hasan tomb no.15 and depicts on the East wall various wrestling moves (which is interesting in itself) and a siege scene with Egyptian forces defending against a mixed Egyptian, Nubian and Libyan army that was most likely commanded by Thebes (Baqet III allied himself to Thebes during a civil war).

There are three Libyans, left of centre on the third row from the bottom wielding slings. The furthest left seems to be in the process of slinging, however it's not clear if it's a sling or actually some other weapon in his hand. The other two slingers are standing ready and holding their slings in exactly the way I have held slings before which is why I wanted to post this really. The scene was painted so incredibly long ago, and yet is so recognisable to me. It really shows what I love about recreating and practicing such an incredibly old technology and skill.

Wall Painting:
https://wellcomecollection.org/works/f8qm8vjv/items

Wiki page for Baqet III:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baqet_III

Title: Re: Slingers depicted on tomb in Beni Hasan
Post by xud9a - call me zud 👍 on Mar 3rd, 2025 at 4:34pm
Like it !

My take is, it is there for a reason which is not ars gratia artis .

It is a manual, the wrestling moves are a teaching aid and it looks to me like most of the military are in groups (including the slingers) analagous to ready, aim , fire. I. E. It is also a training aid for your side and a this is how the enemy do it.

Thanks for another learning day.

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Title: Re: Slingers depicted on tomb in Beni Hasan
Post by IronGoober on Mar 5th, 2025 at 1:44am
Kick! You're alive! :)

Title: Re: Slingers depicted on tomb in Beni Hasan
Post by Kick on Mar 5th, 2025 at 4:06am
I am just about :D I've been crazy busy with school and have fallen way out of practice, but want to try and claw my way back into slinging and getting back on here is part of the process.

Title: Re: Slingers depicted on tomb in Beni Hasan
Post by Kick on Mar 5th, 2025 at 4:26am

xud9a - call me zud 👍 wrote on Mar 3rd, 2025 at 4:34pm:
My take is, it is there for a reason which is not ars gratia artis .

It is a manual, the wrestling moves are a teaching aid and it looks to me like most of the military are in groups (including the slingers) analagous to ready, aim , fire. I. E. It is also a training aid for your side and a this is how the enemy do it.

Thanks for another learning day.


What's interesting is the rest of the walls have a lot of other scenes from daily life like farming, hunting and craftspeople so I do think that is a valid interpretation. It's unknown but considering how prominent the wrestling moves are, I guess Baqet must have been a pretty avid wrestler.

Wikipedia describes it as "the world's oldest known artistic representation of an organised fighting system" which is actually how I came to find it (my thesis is based around safety in martial arts), which is really interesting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_martial_arts#:~:text=Detail%20of%20the%20wrestling%20fresco,of%20an%20organised%20fighting%20system.

Title: Re: Slingers depicted on tomb in Beni Hasan
Post by xud9a - call me zud 👍 on Mar 5th, 2025 at 5:17am
Interesting !

Got my brain moving.

I think the reason Baqets wall art is so recognisable is if you check out military training manuals from pretty much anywhere they follow a pattern .....

Which brought to mind,

Lessons of the war :1: Naming of parts by Henry Reed

https://www.poetrybyheart.org.uk/poems/naming-of-parts

Enjoy.
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Title: Re: Slingers depicted on tomb in Beni Hasan
Post by Kick on Mar 5th, 2025 at 9:46am
I've done more digging around and apparently the wrestling and siege pictures aren't unique to Baqet's tomb. In tomb 17, the tomb of Kehty, there is a very similar painting. It's been suggested that Kehty was the son of Baqet so that could explain it.

Title: Re: Slingers depicted on tomb in Beni Hasan
Post by xud9a - call me zud 👍 on Mar 5th, 2025 at 10:33am
I am not surprised, if it is a military training manual copies would be made !

Amazing more than 1 survived.

What is your masters thesis ... or is that too soon ?

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Title: Re: Slingers depicted on tomb in Beni Hasan
Post by Kick on Mar 6th, 2025 at 3:14pm
I'm only on the Bachelor thesis so far  :D I'm looking at how safety is designed in martial arts and combat sports training. Basically, how do these groups go about teaching potentially incredibly dangerous stuff in a way where people don't get hurt (usually). These tomb paintings came up as the oldest evidence for an organised system of fighting so I'm including it in the background research.

Title: Re: Slingers depicted on tomb in Beni Hasan
Post by xud9a - call me zud 👍 on Mar 7th, 2025 at 5:26am
Sounds inteteresting.
My take on that would be to head for hollywood.
Stuntmen are some of the most skilled in 'killing' safely.
I heard rumours a while back that Loughborough were doing some pretty advanced research on martial arts safety in their sports sciences school.
Good luck.
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