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Title: Historical sling bullets vs human head! Ballistic test Post by Foresight17 on Apr 10th, 2024 at 2:28am
https://youtu.be/_CaDUQ5-ulM?si=P8jiZKUaV4V75C6L
This is just one of several tests coming soon. Gonna really use this head for as much testing as possible. Also, be aware that the skull on this thing is WAY tougher than it seems, it's kind of like a weird very slightly flexible concrete, and also has way more "flesh" between the skull and the outside than a real head. I suspect this thing is actually harder to damage than a real head. 1: 44 grams, 97 fps/(29.5mps), 19 joules. no serious damage to skull. 32mm long 2. 44 grams, 117 fps/(35.6mps), 28 joules. full penetration into the skull and brain matter. 31mm long 3. 44 grams, 153 fps/(46.6mps), 48 joules. throw was off to the side of the radar, so realistically the speed should be higher but we'll just use this as a definite.32 mm long |
Title: Re: Historical sling bullets vs human head! Ballistic test Post by TOMBELAINE on Apr 10th, 2024 at 9:31am
Interesting.
:) :) |
Title: Re: Historical sling bullets vs human head! Ballistic test Post by IronGoober on Apr 10th, 2024 at 12:50pm
Very cool.
Can you add m/s in parentheses next to the feet/sec in the original post? |
Title: Re: Historical sling bullets vs human head! Ballistic test Post by thabaill on Apr 10th, 2024 at 2:32pm
Wow! :o I realize I have been watching some of your videos!
All are awesome! But I have seen some with balistic gel where the lead glans penetrate the gel point first every time! And you shot from a very short distance! It is really amazing! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGFCR5oDjKI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR4juBDeeKw How do you place the lead bullet in your sling pouch? Aligned in the direction of the strings (lengthwise)? Or transversely (sideways)? Greetings! |
Title: Re: Historical sling bullets vs human head! Ballistic test Post by Rat Man on Apr 10th, 2024 at 6:00pm
Nice job. Thanks for sharing.
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Title: Re: Historical sling bullets vs human head! Ballistic test Post by Jaegoor on Apr 10th, 2024 at 10:46pm
Shooting at test skulls is interesting. The skull is good. The gelatine is no harder than flesh. There are also test skulls with a kind of rubber coating. Do they reproduce fractures a little better? Why are you shooting at such close range? What exactly are you testing?
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Title: Re: Historical sling bullets vs human head! Ballistic test Post by Eino on Apr 10th, 2024 at 10:50pm
Great video! :)
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Title: Re: Historical sling bullets vs human head! Ballistic test Post by Foresight17 on Apr 11th, 2024 at 6:16am IronGoober wrote on Apr 10th, 2024 at 12:50pm:
Sure thing :) |
Title: Re: Historical sling bullets vs human head! Ballistic test Post by Foresight17 on Apr 11th, 2024 at 6:21am thabaill wrote on Apr 10th, 2024 at 2:32pm:
Hey there! Glad u enjoy some of my videos 😀 Just so there is no confusion, I'll post a video of how to align bullets in the pouch. But generally, just put them into the pouch with the points facing in the direction that there is no string. |
Title: Re: Historical sling bullets vs human head! Ballistic test Post by Foresight17 on Apr 11th, 2024 at 6:22am Rat Man wrote on Apr 10th, 2024 at 6:00pm:
Happy to 😀 |
Title: Re: Historical sling bullets vs human head! Ballistic test Post by Foresight17 on Apr 11th, 2024 at 6:32am Jaegoor wrote on Apr 10th, 2024 at 10:46pm:
Hello again! 👋 😀 I have found that calibrated gelatine by itself is a good medium in general in place of meat, however it definitely doesn't count as skin. In a video I am currently editing I place thick leather over the skull and sling at it for a representation of a leather cap+skin. I purposely chose not to buy the one with a rubber coating because there are alot of videos on youtube with these heads being tested against many different weapons, and wanted to be able to compare against those too. I'm shooting at close range because I didn't want to spend all day losing the bullets that took so long to procure. Also, I purposely used very light effort in order to A. Find out how lightly one can throw and still be lethal, and B. To simulate a long range impact that may have lost some velocity, considering it could be 200-300 yards distance before an impact. And lastly, I just love ballistic testing. I really wanted to know how hard it was to be a lethal slinger back in antiquity, disregarding accuracy that is. |
Title: Re: Historical sling bullets vs human head! Ballistic test Post by thabaill on Apr 11th, 2024 at 5:34pm Foresight17 wrote on Apr 11th, 2024 at 6:21am:
Hi. Yes, I enjoy a lot your videos. They are very interesting! Thank you very much! |
Title: Re: Historical sling bullets vs human head! Ballistic test Post by Jaegoor on Apr 12th, 2024 at 1:14am
Back to gelatine. Gelatine has the disadvantage that it has to be used at a very low temperature. But then it also simulates skin resistance. If you put leather or fabric in front of it, So you simulate clothing. Not skin. The important thing is that you have fun. In Germany, you can really get into trouble for that. Shooting at human representations is forbidden there. We tried to get permission. We didn't even get permission with a scientific background. That's why our tests took place in Switzerland
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Title: Re: Historical sling bullets vs human head! Ballistic test Post by Foresight17 on Apr 12th, 2024 at 6:25am Jaegoor wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 1:14am:
Wait.... u can't even use a human representation as a target in germany?! I know yall have some absolute tyrannical laws on weapons in general, but that is just awful. I hope some of my tests can atleast give a baseline for yall over there, since the officials won't give u any. Also on the gel temperature, yes the temperature is important and have had the head cooled before testing 😉 |
Title: Re: Historical sling bullets vs human head! Ballistic test Post by TOMBELAINE on Apr 12th, 2024 at 6:45am Foresight17 wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 6:25am:
Half agree. It seems to me excessive. But each country has a history that must be respected. Many others equally valuable countries have problems with weapons. Maybe a subject outside slinging to avoid ? |
Title: Re: Historical sling bullets vs human head! Ballistic test Post by Foresight17 on Apr 12th, 2024 at 8:59am TOMBELAINE wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 6:45am:
Lol I also half agree with u. I respect other countries and cultures, but I flatly disdain when laws are created that make it hard for me to enjoy one of the few things I do outside of work (which happens to be practicing with and testing weaponry/martial arts for both historical and fun reasons). Naturally I will never like it when that is done anywhere, irregardless of the country. But I do think that politics probably should be left outside of most parts of this forum. I meant no ill will and apologize if anyone found my reply on lawmakers in bad taste 😉 |
Title: Re: Historical sling bullets vs human head! Ballistic test Post by TOMBELAINE on Apr 12th, 2024 at 10:13am
:) :)
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Title: Re: Historical sling bullets vs human head! Ballistic test Post by Jaegoor on Apr 12th, 2024 at 11:28am
Yes, the laws in Germany are strict when it comes to weapons. But since the good old slingshot was not included in the weapons law, I had it classified. In Germany it is considered a toy.Very strange. Shooting at human targets is only allowed for the police and the military. Shooting with lead is also prohibited. There are only very few shooting ranges where it is allowed. Fortunately There is such a place just a few kilometers away from me. There I can shoot at a target up to 120m away. 150m away at a running boar. 😜
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Title: Re: Historical sling bullets vs human head! Ballistic test Post by Foresight17 on Apr 13th, 2024 at 2:03am Jaegoor wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 11:28am:
Wow, I'm sorry u have to deal with those restrictions. Also didn't know that using lead specifically could be regulated, VERY odd thing to go after. I'm glad u have a spot u can use, otherwise we wouldn't have some of ur very valuable content. I really loved ur sling bullet deformation tests 😀 |
Title: Re: Historical sling bullets vs human head! Ballistic test Post by Jaegoor on Apr 13th, 2024 at 3:06am
Lead ammunition is banned in almost all EU countries. Nature and environmental protection. I can understand it. Lead is really toxic stuff. It is interesting to observe the deformation of the projectiles. There is a lot of it on historical battlefields. In order to be able to make statements, you need a lot of material. I have now I have shot around 25,000 glandes. I have documented around 3,000 of them. But I prefer shooting stone. Lead is somehow scary to me. I really shoot a lot. the guys at the shooting range said. They even advertise it now. There are often courses for hunters or police.The bang of the sling and the bang of the impact can be heard from a long way away. People often ask what caliber is being fired.Someone is training with the oldest firearm in the world. Can you guess which one it is? So far only one person has guessed it. He had seen the sling in Mallorca.😂😂😂
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