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Message started by Eino on Sep 13th, 2023 at 9:21pm

Title: Sling on Trajan's column
Post by Eino on Sep 13th, 2023 at 9:21pm
Hello,

I am planning on recreating the armament of the slinger on Trajan's column, and I was wondering if anyone knew what sling design is pictured.

So far, I've seen one interpretation using an egyptian sling. (https://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1588317387).
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Title: Re: Sling on Trajan's column
Post by TOMBELAINE on Sep 19th, 2023 at 8:09am
He's in the middle of the battlefield. So he has very little room to move. Its sling is therefore very small.
Just my idea but I think his style looks like this post : Greek style Lecuyer. Only the position of the feet changes.
No rotation, straight ahead. It's an ideal style when there is no space and short range.
But it's just my idea.
It seems that one sees a rope at the junction pouch/strap.

Title: Re: Sling on Trajan's column
Post by Eino on Sep 20th, 2023 at 3:18pm

TOMBELAINE wrote on Sep 19th, 2023 at 8:09am:
Just my idea but I think his style looks like this post : Greek style Lecuyer. Only the position of the feet changes.
No rotation, straight ahead. It's an ideal style when there is no space and short range.


That would make sense. I've been meaning to learn that style for a while, so I might as well do it now.


TOMBELAINE wrote on Sep 19th, 2023 at 8:09am:
It seems that one sees a rope at the junction pouch/strap.


Thank you for pointing that out! That would probably rule out slings with a large split pouch such as the balearic sling. I'll most likely go with a woven-pouch or egyptian sling design.

Title: Re: Sling on Trajan's column
Post by StaffSlinger on Sep 27th, 2023 at 10:36pm
That sling pouch looks to be very cupped -- enclosing the ammo quite a bit.  Almost looks more cloth-like.   I agree he appears to be throwing Greek style with a sling not much more than a foot long.

With a deep pouch... if he can't throw, the whole thing becomes a flexible cudgel for really close combat

Title: Re: Sling on Trajan's column
Post by Eino on Sep 27th, 2023 at 11:36pm
On another picture (reply #1 on this thread: https://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1588317387), the pouch looks much less cupped and encloses the ammo less. I wonder if the picture I posted is a cast or something where a small inaccuracy was introduced. Good observation, though.

Since I've heard the sling length attributed to both the figure being involved in close combat and artistic license to prevent the sling from breaking, I'll most likely go with a short / mid-length sling (~24" folded).

Title: Re: Sling on Trajan's column
Post by StaffSlinger on Oct 7th, 2023 at 9:39am
I see what you mean about the pouch being less cupped.  I do think that in the photo of Funditor his sling and ammo are much smaller (relative to the body) than what is shown on the statue.  That part, though, I can believe , is artistic license on the part of the sculptor, to make the sling more prominent.

I think 24" folded would be a great length, too.

Title: Re: Sling on Trajan's column
Post by Eino on Oct 7th, 2023 at 11:33pm
Thanks for the help and advice!

Here's how I plan to go forward for the rest of the kit:

The sling will be linen. I already have a pugio, but I need to modify or make a new scabbard, as it is a Titleberg scabbard, which is slightly innacurate (reply #5 of this thread on RAT). The shield looks to be an oval shape, so I am making a clipeus shield (based on the Legio XX Scutum page). I still need to get wool for a tunic and cloak, but depending on cost and my budget, I may omit the cloak for now. The belt could be another sling, a strip of linen (Legio XX Tunic), or I could finally start on that belt I have all of the parts for and have been putting off making for over a year now.

If anyone notices anything historically inaccurate with how I plan to construct the kit, please let me know.

The thread on Roman Army Talk: https://www.romanarmytalk.com/rat/showthread.php?tid=31724&pid=353458#pid353458

Title: Re: Sling on Trajan's column
Post by Eino on Oct 26th, 2023 at 8:32pm
The linen arrived today, so I'll hopefully be able to start the sling soon. I ended up getting 8/5 linen rug warp (https://woolery.com/linen-rug-warp-yarn-8-5.html).

I'm about halfway done with painting the shield, after which I just have to wax it and put on the boss.

Title: Re: Sling on Trajan's column
Post by joe_meadmaker on Oct 26th, 2023 at 10:13pm
I love shields!  Definitely give us a pic when you get it done.  :)

Title: Re: Sling on Trajan's column
Post by Eino on Oct 26th, 2023 at 11:21pm

joe_meadmaker wrote on Oct 26th, 2023 at 10:13pm:
I love shields!  Definitely give us a pic when you get it done.  :)


Here's what it looks like currently, I'll also post pictures when I finish it. ;D
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Title: Re: Sling on Trajan's column
Post by joe_meadmaker on Oct 29th, 2023 at 5:45pm
Looks good! :thumb:

Curious what the finished weight is too.

Title: Re: Sling on Trajan's column
Post by Eino on Oct 30th, 2023 at 7:33pm
Thank you ;D

I'm also wondering what the finished weight will be. Hopefully I can finish applying wax and attach the boss today or tomorrow and find out!

Title: Re: Sling on Trajan's column
Post by Eino on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 9:31pm

Eino wrote on Oct 30th, 2023 at 7:33pm:
...attach the boss today or tomorrow and find out!

Ummm.... or maybe not. :P I haven't attached the boss yet, but I weighed the shield and boss and they came in at around 8.6 lbs.

Title: Re: Sling on Trajan's column
Post by Thearos on Dec 2nd, 2023 at 5:37am
Tombelaine, have you managed to sling with "Lecuyer" style, i.e. just a straight throw from the resting position with no rotations ? I find it hard not to lose the stone !

Title: Re: Sling on Trajan's column
Post by TOMBELAINE on Dec 6th, 2023 at 7:54am
If you throw straight from the resting position, the stone isn't in the axis of the sling. So I never try.
For me, the column of Trajan shows a straight fire. It also shows that the weapon is armed. Otherwise the pebble would hang vertically.

TOMBELAINE wrote on Sep 19th, 2023 at 8:09am:
Just my idea but I think his style looks like this post : Greek style Lecuyer. Only the position of the feet changes.
No rotation, straight ahead. It's an ideal style when there is no space and short range.
But it's just my idea.


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Title: Re: Sling on Trajan's column
Post by Eino on Dec 10th, 2023 at 10:31am
I finally finished the sling!
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Title: Re: Sling on Trajan's column
Post by joe_meadmaker on Dec 10th, 2023 at 4:06pm
That looks fantastic! :thumb:

I can't wait to see the full image with everything you're putting together.

Title: Re: Sling on Trajan's column
Post by TOMBELAINE on Dec 11th, 2023 at 1:47am

joe_meadmaker wrote on Dec 10th, 2023 at 4:06pm:
That looks fantastic!

+1  :)

Title: Re: Sling on Trajan's column
Post by Eino on Dec 11th, 2023 at 12:09pm
Thank you! ;D

Title: Re: Sling on Trajan's column
Post by IronGoober on Dec 11th, 2023 at 1:16pm
That looks like it took a long time, how many strands is that braid? Looks really good.

Title: Re: Sling on Trajan's column
Post by Eino on Dec 11th, 2023 at 2:21pm
It definitely did take a while, and it is probably the sling that's taken me the longest time to make. The cords are an 8 strand square braid, and the fingerloop is a wide 8 strand flat braid.

Thanks ;D

Title: Re: Sling on Trajan's column
Post by Eino on Apr 10th, 2024 at 11:02pm
After many months of procrastination, the shield is done. I ended up using modified carriage bolts and homemade copper washers for riveting on the boss. :)

I tried slinging a bit with it the other day using the method here: https://www.romanarmytalk.com/rat/showthread.php?tid=6508&page=2 (post #21), and it seemed to work pretty well, but will take a bit of practice to get used to it and become faster at reloading.
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Title: Re: Sling on Trajan's column
Post by xud9a - call me zud 👍 on Apr 11th, 2024 at 5:17am
If I needed a sheild, that is the one I want.
😁👍👍

Title: Re: Sling on Trajan's column
Post by joe_meadmaker on Apr 11th, 2024 at 10:40pm
Looks fantastic Eino! :thumb:

I totally get what you mean about the procrastination.  I can't even count how many projects I've started and then take forever (sometimes literally years) to finish.  It always seems to be worth it at the end.

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