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Message started by Rat Man on Apr 18th, 2022 at 2:52pm

Title: Vegetarian
Post by Rat Man on Apr 18th, 2022 at 2:52pm
    The this war in Europe is driving the cost of everything up across the board.  Meat is no exception.  It's to the point where I'm considering going Vegetarian.  It's something I have done a few times in the past, most recently when daughter Kate lived here with me about seven years ago.  I like meat and believe that there is no harm in eating it in moderation but it's something I know I can live without.  I have a enough for a few months in the freezer.  When that runs out I'll probably make the change. 
    Unfortunately for my wallet my dogs can't go Vegetarian.  I'll have to keep buying meat for their food no matter how much the price goes up. 

Title: Re: Vegetarian
Post by Hirtius on Apr 18th, 2022 at 5:56pm
If things ever got too crazy Iíd probably try to raise rabbits. Might one day try it regardless. The only problem is that Iím squeamish so the killing part might be a problem.

Title: Re: Vegetarian
Post by Rat Man on Apr 18th, 2022 at 7:34pm
    When I was a much younger man I used to hunt.  I liked everything about it except the killing which is why I gave it up.  If my choices were hunting or starving I would hunt again. 

Title: Re: Vegetarian
Post by perpetualstudent on Apr 19th, 2022 at 8:34am
Rabbits have an excellent feed:meat ratio. And their fur is lovely. I've toyed with the idea a fair bit of raising some rabbits for meat and pelt.

Right now it's the eggs that hurt my grocery budget. They're going for 4x their normal price here in Wisconsin.

Title: Re: Vegetarian
Post by Rat Man on Apr 21st, 2022 at 5:09pm
   Also Rabbits are absolutely delicious. 

Title: Re: Vegetarian
Post by Curious Aardvark on Apr 26th, 2022 at 6:32am
Speaking as someone who has a freezer full of game: pheasants, ducks, pigeons and venison.

Definitely not an option for me.

There are people who make dogs go veggy,
Never good for the dog :-(

Over here meat is reasonably priced, but everything else is doing up, veggy options in particular.

Title: Re: Vegetarian
Post by Rat Man on May 2nd, 2022 at 7:52pm
† †Most people consider dogs carnivores but that isn't true.† They are omnivores.† Once upon a time dogs were pure carnivores.† Species like† Borophaginae roamed the earth from about twenty seven to two million years ago.† Some subspecies  were huge and fierce... sort of canine's answer to lions and tigers.† Then, probably due to overhunting by our ancestors, the megafauna died out and† Borophaginae went with them.† Our modern dogs are descended from the Gray Wolf.† The Gray Wolf survived when its purely carnivorous cousins didn't because it had teeth that could grind plant matter along with teeth for slicing meat.† When game was scarce they could supplement their diet by eating plants... something dogs do to this day.† All of my dogs have loved eating the lawn.
† † All of that said making your dog go vegetarian is still a stupid idea.† Even though they're set up to digest some plant matter the bulk of their nutrition should come from meat.†

Title: Re: Vegetarian
Post by Curious Aardvark on May 3rd, 2022 at 7:32am
Yeah, it's not eating vegetation but digesting it.

It's why carnvores always eat the stomach of herbivores first.
All the minerals and vitamins in that pre-digested plant matter.

Dogs mainly seem to eat grass for medicinal reasons.
Which seems odd to us.
But then americans eat puke flavoured chocolate, which seems weird to the rest of the world ;-)
But maybe our ancestors also ate the paunch of herbivores and thats what americans see in butyric acid flavoured chocolate. 

There was a woman who planted a field full of medicinal plants, and her horses would go into it and self medicate.
They instinctively knew which plants to eat.

Cut right down on her vet bills :-)

No doubt dogs have similiar instincts.

Ours seem mainly to eat grass to make them throw up.

Except our old spinone ruffy, who could selectively throw up anything in his stomach.

He'd swallow stones as an easy way to carry them and then just throw them up - and nothing else - when he got home.

Our drive is still lined with stones (small rocks really) that ruffy carried back from walks - either in his stomach or mouth.

He could also carry 4 tennis balls in his mouth :-)

Title: Re: Vegetarian
Post by AncientCraftwork on Jun 17th, 2022 at 8:35am
I could be Vegedairyan, with plenty of milk and eggs.

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