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Message started by SerKraus on Jan 6th, 2022 at 10:17pm

Title: Serious Question about Practice
Post by SerKraus on Jan 6th, 2022 at 10:17pm
If someone wants to be a good slinger, they'll have to practice. However, what is the optimal way to practice? Collectively, if we want to take slinging to the next level, we'll have to do it more seriously, consistently, and systematically. If we always search for novelty through different slings, ammunition, distances, and targets too often, we'll never truly be practicing. Horsing around is insanely fun but it's not practice. If someone were to program slinging as if it were a training program, how should they do it?

Undoubtedly, consistency is key. In my opinion, to hone pure skill, a slinger should use the same sling, ammunition (both shape and weight), target, distance, style, etc. They should also sling consistently; 200 casts three times a week sounds pretty good. This doesn't mean they can't try out new things but it does mean that it should be done purposefully if they want use it as practice.

Any suggestions?  :)

Title: Re: Serious Question about Practice
Post by IronGoober on Jan 7th, 2022 at 1:57am
Myself and others have been thinking about this a lot. Over 2020 I probably put in close to 100 shots a day, I saw immediate gains but they seemed to plateau in terms of gaining consistency after a few months. I believe I'm missing something. My personal thought is that my biomechanics are just not quite correct. But I also think practicing the same target and distance is not as helpful as being able to switch it up week to week, which wasn't quite possible for me until recently.

We all have our own ideas, but mine has shifted to structured practice with variation in the distance/ target size as being important. Doing tasks like aiming at very small things has also  certainly helped my accuracy (like trickshots). I think sessions of trying to hit something like a coin would be very useful to throw into the training regime. And lastly, moving targets. It's not something I have done much, but I think it is likely to be instrumental in training the brain to calculate and recalculate on the fly.

My next set of training sessions are going to focus on body mechanics and economy of motion to get max velocity with minimal effort. I believe if I can get into that sort of rhythm then I can dial back power and have better consistency and control.
Which will be the next set of sessions following.

That's my 2 cents, I'm sure you'll get a lot of differing opinions.

Title: Re: Serious Question about Practice
Post by JudoP on Jan 7th, 2022 at 6:27am
Good question. There's a lot of information out there on how to get good at 'stuff' generally and I'd guess a lot of it applies to slinging too.

I do agree a regular program of thoughtful practice is called for. Though I think to some extent you have to experiment and figure out what works, unlike other 'stuff' slinging doesn't really have a big built up knowledge of the best ways of doing things, in that sense we are all pioneers of the sport and have to find our own path.

I find Judo is similar, despite being a big and popular sport all over the world the techniques are very difficult to apply successfully against a resisting opponent, most coaches can only show you their way of doing things and you have to figure out your own way, which can take years, and may not even happen at all with some techniques.

If learning slinging matches my experience from judo it's a balance between consistency and experimentation, you should always bear in mind practice doesn't make perfect, practice makes permanent.

Title: Re: Serious Question about Practice
Post by Curious Aardvark on Jan 7th, 2022 at 8:19am
Well a lot actually depends on what your definition of a 'good slinger' actually is.

For me fixed distance target shooting is just one small aspect of slinging in general.

Other aspects would include:
Pure distance slinging
Random distance slinging
Moving target slinging
Speed slinging
Learning different slinging styles  - different styles suit different sling uses
Heavy missile slinging
Lightweight missile slinging.
And most likely a few more that don't spring readily to mind.

To be a good slinger, I feel you need to try and master as much sling usage variety as possible.

Short distance target slinging, is fun and pretty easy to train for.
And if competition slinging is all you are interested in, then yes: consistency is king.

If you're interested in becoming a more rounded slinger with a wider variety of slinging skills.
Then variety is a lot more important.

For me, short distance target slinging is probably the least practical of all slinging disciplines.
It's fun, but if that's all you do, then you are actually training limits into your slinging.

For others, competition target slinging is the only thing they ever practice.

Horses for courses.

In the unlikely event I ever have to hunt with a sling, the ability to hit a stationary target at exactly 20 metres, will be of little or no use.

Most hunting shots will most likely be snap reaction throws at totally random distances and target sizes ranging from squirrel to deer and most likely in motion.

Were I herding yaks in the Himalayas. The ability to land a clod of mud near on on a moving animal would be a crucial skill.

In India or Mexico the ability To use a scattergun effect to scare and hunt flocks of birds on my crops would be uppermost.
As might the ability to scare an elephant away from my crops, slings would be ideal for that.

So for me real world slinging skills are equally worth learning and practicing.

Target shooting is fun.
And for that you've already nailed the training:
Same target, same distance, same sling same ammo.
And do it a lot.
That's pretty much it.

Much harder to train for all the other aspects of being a fully rounded slinger.

So does anyone else train for something other than competition throwing ?

Title: Re: Serious Question about Practice
Post by Morphy on Jan 7th, 2022 at 8:22am
Let me go Zen buddhist for a second and give you something to think about.

If 999 people jump off your roof and flap their arms and fail to fly are you going to think when its your turn the answer is to flap harder then the previous people? Or are the rules of the game set up to fail?

I think first you need to decide what accuracy is, and then decide if the way youre slinging is within the limits of the definition of consistent accuracy youve set up for yourself.

First thing I would suggest to anyone is to define what your ultimate goal is and then see if anyone, anywhere has actually achieved that. Then ask yourself, if no one is achieving it doing it the way Im doing it is it because of not enough practice or am I expecting too much from a throw that is not capable of that level of accuracy consistently.

There is also a big mental component here. A good example being from the Balaeric bullseye thread.
The diana is, or at least can be, much harder than its surface area would suggest. Its a blank, black circle. There is nothing to focus on but a large area. Aim large, miss large. You also have no visual cues as with most other weapons therefore all focus is done mentally in the abstract. This requires training a mental focus that is greater than exists with other weapons.

Do you think if I painted a typical ringed archery target a matte black that fact alone would make it significantly harder to hit dead center? No. It wouldnt. Because you have visual cues in the foreground to manually focus your point of aim so this abstract, what I call, "Selective Focus" never needs to be trained when shooting your typical bow.

Anyways the above is just one thing that needs to be trained in slinging. One of many things actually and it can be just like a muscle. Look up London cabbies and how their brains differ. You will see what Im talking about.

Anyways this is a subject I've spent a good deal of time contemplating as well. So best not to get me started. But its quite interesting over all. I personally think the answer is going to be a bit more radical than some but Im going to hold off before going deeper into that.

Title: Re: Serious Question about Practice
Post by Curious Aardvark on Jan 7th, 2022 at 8:39am
Blindfold slinging.

If you are going to train for a fixed target at a fixed distance and always use the same sling and ammo and style.

Then the ultimate goal is to totally eliminate thought.
It's the exact same motion.

You are training muscle memory.
So, eventually you should be able to do it blindfold and just let your ingrained muscle memory take over.
:-)
I always find with target throwing that my throws during practice - before I start to think about it, are generally the best throws of any session.

So for competitions, I generally don't bother doing the queuing up and practicing a few shots any more.
And my first round Is frequently the best.
Unfortunately I don't do enough practice target slinging to keep the same mindset throughout a full competition.
At some point I'll think: 'what if I did this, or that'
At which point everything goes all to hell :-)

But it is as simple as that.
Same thing over and over and over until you have eliminated thought.
At that point you should be able to do it blindfold :-)

On a side note, there's a video of a blind woman learning to sling in Guam, that's worth looking up.

Title: Re: Serious Question about Practice
Post by joe_meadmaker on Jan 7th, 2022 at 10:30am

SerKraus wrote on Jan 6th, 2022 at 10:17pm:
Horsing around is insanely fun but it's not practice.

Not always.  Have you ever read or watched anything on block vs. random practice?  I kind of fell into the concept at one point, and it was someone on this forum who gave me the actual name of what I was talking about.  I think it was Sarosh.

This is a good one that covers it really well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_5nWKyRzKM.

Title: Re: Serious Question about Practice
Post by SerKraus on Jan 7th, 2022 at 3:16pm

Curious Aardvark wrote on Jan 7th, 2022 at 8:19am:
Well a lot actually Other aspects would include:
Pure distance slinging
Random distance slinging
Moving target slinging
Speed slinging
Learning different slinging styles  - different styles suit different sling uses
Heavy missile slinging
Lightweight missile slinging.
And most likely a few more that don't spring readily to mind.

To be a good slinger, I feel you need to try and master as much sling usage variety as possible.


I completely agree! Though those skills should be practiced purposefully if the slinger wants to be as effective as possible.

Title: Re: Serious Question about Practice
Post by SerKraus on Jan 7th, 2022 at 3:22pm

joe_meadmaker wrote on Jan 7th, 2022 at 10:30am:

SerKraus wrote on Jan 6th, 2022 at 10:17pm:
Horsing around is insanely fun but it's not practice.

Not always.  Have you ever read or watched anything on block vs. random practice?  I kind of fell into the concept at one point, and it was someone on this forum who gave me the actual name of what I was talking about.  I think it was Sarosh.

This is a good one that covers it really well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_5nWKyRzKM.


Very Interesting! If someone were to practice slinging randomly, then certain variables would be randomly changed such as distance and target. However, something like ammo weight should be changed with more caution. By horsing around I meant all variables being changed randomly. If I go to a park and use five different slings to sling random balls and objects I find on the floor, and only sling 50 times at random things, then it won't be useful as "practice". For example, in the video, the three kids practicing for basketball were throwing at random distances but they still used the same hoop and same ball. Too many random variables causes excessive inconsistency.

Title: Re: Serious Question about Practice
Post by IronGoober on Jan 7th, 2022 at 3:57pm

joe_meadmaker wrote on Jan 7th, 2022 at 10:30am:

SerKraus wrote on Jan 6th, 2022 at 10:17pm:
Horsing around is insanely fun but it's not practice.

Not always.  Have you ever read or watched anything on block vs. random practice?  I kind of fell into the concept at one point, and it was someone on this forum who gave me the actual name of what I was talking about.  I think it was Sarosh.

This is a good one that covers it really well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_5nWKyRzKM.


If I am interpreting this video correctly, then it seems like moving targets would be the best way to learn how to "read" your sling and adjust on the fly.

Title: Re: Serious Question about Practice
Post by Jaegoor on Jan 7th, 2022 at 4:19pm
Vorher müssen sie das elementare schießen erlernt und die Physik verstanden haben. Vorher macht ein Training auf bewegliche Ziele wenig Sinn.
Spezialisieren sie sich. Legen sie sich fest. Wenn sie das eine beherrschen, probieren sie verschiedene Variationen. Sie werden bemerken, das nicht alles Spass macht oder sinnvoll ist. Dann hören sie auf es zu tun.

Mit verbundenen Augen trainieren? Alex wie einfallsreich :P
Ich zeigte dies hier schon vor Jahren ;) 8-)

Title: Re: Serious Question about Practice
Post by joe_meadmaker on Jan 7th, 2022 at 6:08pm

SerKraus wrote on Jan 7th, 2022 at 3:22pm:
Very Interesting! If someone were to practice slinging randomly, then certain variables would be randomly changed such as distance and target. However, something like ammo weight should be changed with more caution. By horsing around I meant all variables being changed randomly. If I go to a park and use five different slings to sling random balls and objects I find on the floor, and only sling 50 times at random things, then it won't be useful as "practice". For example, in the video, the three kids practicing for basketball were throwing at random distances but they still used the same hoop and same ball. Too many random variables causes excessive inconsistency.

I agree with you to a point.  But as was brought up earlier in this topic, the design of a practice routine is going to be very dependent on the goal.  Say there's a person who spends a lot of time outdoors, and wants to be as proficient as possible with whatever projectile they happen to pick up at any point in time.  Then I would say that their best option is to continually use projectiles of varying weights and sizes.  This is assuming the person already knows how to sling in a general sense.

In most cases I think you're right though.  I know for myself, being "good" would be the ability to hit a target from any reasonable angle and distance.  So that's what I would add randomness to.  The sling and projectile should stay consistent as possible to remove them as variables, as you mentioned.



IronGoober wrote on Jan 7th, 2022 at 3:57pm:
If I am interpreting this video correctly, then it seems like moving targets would be the best way to learn how to "read" your sling and adjust on the fly.

It is strange that so many folks report being better at moving targets.  I'm one of them.  I love the pendulum target.  I may not actually get as many hits as with a stationary target, but I always feel like I'm putting the projectile where I want more consistently.

Moving targets may be difficult for some people to set up though.  I think changing your position (as it relates to the target) between each throw is also very effective.  Kick did a couple videos on this not long ago.  He just set tennis balls in random places, then each throw was done from the ball's position.

Title: Re: Serious Question about Practice
Post by Jaegoor on Jan 7th, 2022 at 6:17pm
Das ist falsch gedacht. Gut zu sein bedeutet nicht , das ich in jeder Situation treffen kann. Gut bedeutet, das ich meine Waffe und mein können objektiv einschätzen kann. Und das ich weiß wann ich treffe und wann nicht.
Jede Waffe hat stärken und Schwächen.

Title: Re: Serious Question about Practice
Post by joe_meadmaker on Jan 7th, 2022 at 6:34pm
You're partially right, Jaegoor.  I worded that badly.  I don't mean I would need to be able to hit every throw before I would consider myself good.  That was just intended as the overall goal to form a practice routine around.

But "good" is also subjective.  It can set whatever standard I choose.  You can use a different standard, but it doesn't make my goals or definitions wrong.

Title: Re: Serious Question about Practice
Post by Jaegoor on Jan 7th, 2022 at 7:43pm
Ich denke wir sind nicht weit auseinander 😜. Gut ist daher ein sehr relativer begriff. Ein schütze kann mit einem compound bow hervorragend sein. Ist er auch gleichzeitig ein guter FITA schütze? Ich denke  nicht. Schießen sie mit einer sling sehr gut Tennisbälle? Blei zu schießen ist völlig anders.

Title: Re: Serious Question about Practice
Post by joe_meadmaker on Jan 7th, 2022 at 8:57pm
Yes, I agree.  The word good doesn't have much meaning until you know how judgement is being evaluated.  I think context can provide a general idea, but two people can always disagree on whether they think a person is good at something or not.

I'm pretty lousy with tennis balls.  My favorite projectile is an ice ball.  The molds I use make ice balls are approximately the same size as a tennis ball, but they are usually around 110g.  So quite a bit heavier.  And because it's ice I don't have to gather them up afterward.

Title: Re: Serious Question about Practice
Post by SerKraus on Jan 7th, 2022 at 10:47pm
I agree that if your goal is to sling accurately with any stone off the floor, then practicing with varying weights is useful. However, if you can't hit anything with consistent ammo then you'll never hit anything with inconsistent ammo. Jaegoor is right. You must have the basics down. Though it is foolish to rely on random ammunition. A survivalist doesn't rely on random kindling. They acquire it and carry some around. Same with water or anything else.

Title: Re: Serious Question about Practice
Post by NooneOfConsequence on Jan 8th, 2022 at 1:28am
There seems to be an unbalanced emphasis on the number of repetitions in practice. Repetition is not sufficient.

If you don’t learn something, was the practice valuable? Learning occurs at the conscious level, but also in muscle memory and in subconscious behaviors, so it’s not always obvious if you learned or not. If you do lots of reps and never improve… you’re probably not learning the right things, and therefore you aren’t really practicing… you’re playing.

So how should you practice? You will hear “consistent sling, consistent ammo” preached here all the time.  Again that’s a good start but incomplete. In addition to consistent ammo, one sling, one throwing style, and one distance, you also need a consistent target with an unambiguous definition of “good”. If you don’t decide before the shot what the target should be, then you can’t decide whether a shot was good. It’s hard to learn without feedback, so make everything clear and define “success” before you start. 

How about a specific example?  The one-minute can challenge… how would you practice?

Consistent distance: 10m
Consistent ammo: most people use tennis balls, but that’s optional
Consistent target?… set up ONE can to practice your control. DO NOT set up 5 or 6.  Practice rate of fire separately with a normal bullseye that won’t fall over, then combine the two drills and try to hit a series of cans in a pre-determined order like left-to-right.  If you hit a can out of order, don’t congratulate yourself for a hit, but correct your aim and hit the correct one.

After setting up purposeful drills and defining success clearly… that’s when you worry about getting in more reps of very focused and deliberate practice.

That’s my $.02

Title: Re: Serious Question about Practice
Post by Mersa on Jan 8th, 2022 at 1:46am
Well I think the main thing is to sling.
The more you sling the more chance you have to improve.
Definition of what you want to achieve and success will be subjective and varying.

I think there’s plenty of good points in this thread already so I’m not gonna repeat them all.

My only addition would be to consume yourself in slinging. Take in as much slinging content as you can. This will open your mind to ideas and possibilities. Try talk to other slinger etc.

Title: Re: Serious Question about Practice
Post by Jaegoor on Jan 8th, 2022 at 8:44am
Mersa. Auch das empfehle ich nicht. Alles aufnehmen? Was bedeutet das? Das sie ihren Geist zu müllen? Sie benötigen schon einen Filter.
Und sie können hunderttausend Schüsse machen. Schießen sie falsch, werden sie nicht wirklich besser. Aber sie trainieren einen Fehler bis zur Perfektion. Oft hat gerade das im Sport körperliche Konsequenzen. Nicht sofort. Aber mit der Zeit schon.

Title: Re: Serious Question about Practice
Post by Morphy on Jan 8th, 2022 at 9:14am
Just to reiterate dont expect that you will do vastly more than whats been done by others if what you are doing is the same as others. Thats a fallacy thats often seen in newer slingers.

You are not going to be practicing more than the guys who have come before you. So where the best are right now is about what you can hope for if you are doing what they are.  Yes, there is potential for upward skill drift but dont expect huge increases without some radical change in whats being understood or done.

That requires a big change in paradigm "somewhere". Hence my original rhetorical question. Define what you call success. If its what you have already seen than you already know how to reach your goal because increasingly theres plenty of people even on this forum who are at or near those top levels. Therefore you have your answer already.

If it's beyond or even far beyond those levels well now you have a question that's really intriguing. Now if your answer is far beyond whats currently being done, lets say for the purpose of this post it's 10 soda cans in a row 1 through 10 in order with no misses from 15 meters. That seems both possible but extremely difficult. It's certainly far and away better than anyone has ever done as far as Im aware.

More than that Im not interested in just a once in a life time feat. It should be reproducible with some degree of consistency even if just once a week of heavy slinging. Fine. Theres our hypothetical definition.

One of the biggest difficulties in slinging at this level is the amount of practice needed to reach high levels of precision and how difficult it is to stay at that level even while you are currently there. Every shot seems to be holding onto the ragged edge of whats possible.

This is a problem. We need to reassess why what we are doing is so variable that even in the midst of heavy training months maintaining those groups is so difficult from shot to shot instead of accepting them as just a part of slinging. This is key: the fact that even during heavy training months its so difficult to maintain tight groups for even 30-40 shots means the baseline of what we are doing is flawed. We are trying to rise so far above a flawed baseline we are peaking below where we would like to be just on average. That, if I had to sum it up, is the key problem. And since that peak is at the very edge of whats possible we see constant fits and starts of genius only to have it disappear.

This may require making some very in depth looks into biomechanics as IronGoober has suggested or I suppose I would suggest it might require us to look into variations of sling throws which are not as popular and see if we can tweak them for very high control and repeatability.

One thing is clear- do what everyone else has done and get what everyone else has got.

Title: Re: Serious Question about Practice
Post by Mersa on Jan 8th, 2022 at 12:52pm
Jaegoor, maybe a translation issue.
I’m just saying you will more likely improve if you try.
Not slinging will not improve your skill.
That’s all really
And try to learn from others even if your learning they’re doing it wrong.

Title: Re: Serious Question about Practice
Post by timpa on Jan 8th, 2022 at 1:16pm
My opinion;
practice is not important.
Slinging is important.

Title: Re: Serious Question about Practice
Post by Jaegoor on Jan 8th, 2022 at 1:46pm
Da ist meine Einstellung eine andere. Ich muß nicht lernen wie man etwas falsch macht. Das führt zu keinerlei Verbesserung. Das führt zu Frust. Ziemlich schnell sogar.

Title: Re: Serious Question about Practice
Post by Mersa on Jan 8th, 2022 at 2:38pm
Both arguments have validity.
The technical information just isn’t there to really be able to prove a correct style or technique.
This forum probably holds the most amount of data on slinging and we can barely agree on any fundamentals.
So that’s why I’m more towards being active and trying to sling.

I personally have improved from where I’ve started even if I have bad form or traits programmed into my skills.

Title: Re: Serious Question about Practice
Post by Tint on Jan 9th, 2022 at 7:23am

Mersa wrote on Jan 8th, 2022 at 2:38pm:
Both arguments have validity.
The technical information just isn’t there to really be able to prove a correct style or technique.
This forum probably holds the most amount of data on slinging and we can barely agree on any fundamentals.
So that’s why I’m more towards being active and trying to sling.

I personally have improved from where I’ve started even if I have bad form or traits programmed into my skills.

I agree. Just do it.
There is no such thing as the "right technique".

Title: Re: Serious Question about Practice
Post by Curious Aardvark on Jan 9th, 2022 at 8:10am
You can always improve your technique.
And while it is true that every single slinger works best with different techniques, 'just do it' won't necessarily improve, whatever aspect of your slinging you want to improve.

There are ALWAYS things you can do to improve.

And once you've made a change, it's back to  repetition, practice and repetition to see if the changes make any real difference.

There is no magic ' one size fits all' method.
Which seems to be the crux of all these 'how do I hit smaller things more often' type of threads.

There are some basic biomechanical improvements we can all make that will reduce joint strain or incorrect muscle emphasis.
But again, they differ for each slinger and each slinging style.

The only thing that is universal is: 'practice'
Even the worst technique will improve with sufficient usage.

In some ways it was better in the days before YouTube and the internet ( for our younger members, this was less than 30 years ago).
You were on your own, you'd never seen another person using a sling and if you didn't get it right, you'd generally end up hurting yourself :whistle:

So instead of wondering what technique you should be using, you just used what seemed to work best.

These days it's far too easy to spend so much time thinking about the angle of your elbow, or whether your foot is half an inch too far to the left, or that the chap on the last YouTube video you watched swears a 27 and seven eigths sling is definitely the best, that the sheer joy of just slinging is lost.

Slinging is one of those activities that can be so overcomplicated that you lose the enjoyment and end up getting frustrated.

So as part of any training regime I would recommend making time for a period of 'free slinging'.
Go find some countryside, or a pebble beach, or wherever you have, that you can just amble around for an hour or so, randomly picking up stuff and slinging it.
With no other goal than just watching things fly without the pressure of needing to throw a specific thing in a certain way at a specific target.

It'll help reset both your body and mind.

Slinging should be FUN.
And you will most likely learn more by simply playing around, than by setting unrealistic goals.




Title: Re: Serious Question about Practice
Post by Jaegoor on Jan 9th, 2022 at 8:43am
Es wurde eine klare Frage gestellt. Diese Frage wurde beantwortet. Nach meiner Meinung würde sie falsch beantwortet. Alles was jetzt herauskommt. Habt Spass.
Eine sehr fachliche Antwort. Ich werde sie häufiger auf hier gestellte Fragen benutzen.
Spass ist ein wichtiger Punkt im Leben. Aber Spass macht nicht etwas besser oder schlechter. Auch nicht richtig oder falsch.
10 + 10 = 1000 warum? Weil es nur so Spaß macht.  ;D ;) :-[ ::)

Title: Re: Serious Question about Practice
Post by Morphy on Jan 9th, 2022 at 9:47am
Jaegoor Im curious, do you believe that your throwing style has the highest potential for accuracy of any throwing style? Is there anything you can learn from anyone else here? This is a genuine question. Im not being sarcastic in asking this. If your answer is your style is the best and you believe that, that is a perfectly acceptable answer.

And by asking this Im not asking if you can agree with people who already agree with you. Is it possible that you might realize something someone else is doing is better and then change your style to fit with this new evidence? Has that ever happened here?


Jaegoor Ich bin neugierig, glauben Sie, dass Ihr Wurfstil das höchste Genauigkeitspotenzial aller Wurfstile hat? Gibt es etwas, das Sie hier von anderen lernen können? Dies ist eine echte Frage. Ich frage das nicht sarkastisch. Wenn Ihre Antwort ist, dass Ihr Stil der Beste ist und Sie dies glauben, ist dies eine völlig akzeptable Antwort. Und indem ich das frage, frage ich nicht, ob Sie den Leuten zustimmen können, die Ihnen bereits zustimmen. Ist es möglich, dass Sie feststellen, dass etwas anderes besser ist, und dann Ihren Stil ändern, um diesen neuen Beweisen gerecht zu werden? Ist das hier schon mal passiert?

Title: Re: Serious Question about Practice
Post by Jaegoor on Jan 9th, 2022 at 11:45am
OK. Ich Versuche es zu beantworten. Aber es ist sehr komplex und eine Antwort deshalb nur fragmentarisch.
Ist mein Stil treffsicherer? Alleine mit der Frage habe ich schon ein Problem. Warum? Weil es nach meiner Meinung so etwas wie Stile nicht gibt. Bin ich zielsicher? Ja das bin ich. Manchmal besser, manchmal schlechter. Ich habe in meinem Leben auf viele unterschiedliche Ziele geschossen. :P
Es gibt ganz klar Grundlagen für das schießen mit einer sling. Diese sind elemtar und bilden damit einen Rahmen. Gelingt es ihnen diese  Grundlagen zu verstehen, dann ist das schonmal ein großer Schritt. Im Laufe der Zeit habe ich vielen das slingen gezeigt. Dabei hat sich eine strukturierte Methode entwickelt. Folgen sie dieser Methode, werden sie denn sicheren Umgang mit einer sling erlernen. Und sie werden Ziele treffen. Dabei hat sich viel entwickelt. Mit einer Menge Spassfaktor. Ich habe einiges hier vorgestellt. Trickshots machen viel Spass. Mir ging es dabei jedoch nie um einen Wettstreit.
Kann ich hier etwas lernen? Meine ehrliche Antwort darauf... Ich weiß es nicht. Ich habe bestimmt vieles über das slingen bereits vergessen, was andere noch nicht einmal gelernt haben .
Es gibt einiges hier, was nach meiner Meinung für eine breite Anerkennung geeignet ist, anderes ist fragwürdig und auch schädlich


OK. I try to answer it. But it is very complex and the answer is therefore only fragmentary. Is my style more accurate? I already have a problem with this question alone. Why? Because in my opinion there is no such thing as styles. Am I sure of my goal? Yes I am. Sometimes better, sometimes worse. I've shot at many different goals in my life. Tongue There are very clear basics for shooting with a sling. These are elementary and thus form a framework. If you manage to understand these basics, then that is a big step. In the course of time I have shown many people how to sling. A structured method has been developed in the process. If you follow this method, you will learn how to use a sling safely. And they will hit targets. A lot has developed in the process. With a lot of fun. I've presented a few things here. Trickshots are a lot of fun. However, it was never about a competition for me. Can I learn something here? My honest answer to that ... I don't know. I've probably already forgotten a lot about sling that others haven't even learned. There are some things here that, in my opinion, are suitable for broad recognition, others are questionable and also harmful

Title: Re: Serious Question about Practice
Post by Morphy on Jan 9th, 2022 at 12:38pm
I went ahead and added your reply in English. I hope thats ok.

Thats a fair and honest answer. There is no harm in considering your style the best if indeed it is. I would think the only danger of doing so is that you may miss something by not being open to it. There is a balance there that I think has to be carefully met.

Title: Re: Serious Question about Practice
Post by timpa on Jan 9th, 2022 at 12:46pm
If love to practice; so practice.
If love to slinging; so slinging.

I have been told: that I am slinging wrong. I do not care.
I slinging.

Title: Re: Serious Question about Practice
Post by Jaegoor on Jan 9th, 2022 at 1:10pm
Timpa. Von mir aus.
Wenn slingen bedeutet etwas zu zerstören was nur eine Sling Länge von mir entfernt ist, dann ist das für mich nur langweilig. Es sagt über das slingen nichts aus. Es befriedigt nur die Lust auf Zerstörung. Ist das ihr weg? Von mir aus. Für mich ist es einfach falsch. 8-)

Title: Re: Serious Question about Practice
Post by Jaegoor on Jan 9th, 2022 at 1:15pm
Morphy wer sagt das ich nicht offen bin? Einen Großteil meines Lebens erforsche das slingen. Und es gibt immer wieder neues was mich verblüfft. Aber leider gibt es auch immer mehr Nonsens, Blödsinn. Dafür fehlt mir Zeit, Interesse und Verständnis.
Wirklich beeindruckt mich Derzeit die Entwicklung in Indien.

Title: Re: Serious Question about Practice
Post by timpa on Jan 10th, 2022 at 12:47pm

Jaegoor wrote on Jan 9th, 2022 at 1:10pm:
Timpa. Von mir aus.
Wenn slingen bedeutet etwas zu zerstören was nur eine Sling Länge von mir entfernt ist, dann ist das für mich nur langweilig. Es sagt über das slingen nichts aus. Es befriedigt nur die Lust auf Zerstörung. Ist das ihr weg? Von mir aus. Für mich ist es einfach falsch. 8-)


Videos are just one part of my slinging.
I only slinging on my own terms. No one can say: this is right/ This is wrong.

Title: Re: Serious Question about Practice
Post by Hirtius on Jan 10th, 2022 at 1:30pm

Jaegoor wrote on Jan 9th, 2022 at 1:10pm:
Timpa. Von mir aus.
Wenn slingen bedeutet etwas zu zerstören was nur eine Sling Länge von mir entfernt ist, dann ist das für mich nur langweilig. Es sagt über das slingen nichts aus. Es befriedigt nur die Lust auf Zerstörung. Ist das ihr weg? Von mir aus. Für mich ist es einfach falsch. 8-)


Different things interest different people. Although I don’t sling for the destruction, like many I’m naturally curious about what the sling can do. In that way it can be entertaining.

Title: Re: Serious Question about Practice
Post by timpa on Jan 11th, 2022 at 11:50am

Hirtius wrote on Jan 10th, 2022 at 1:30pm:
I’m naturally curious about what the sling can do.


This interests me too.  :) Very much.

Title: Re: Serious Question about Practice
Post by Jaegoor on Jan 11th, 2022 at 2:46pm
Nochmal. Von mir aus.

Aber was sagt das zerstören von Gegenständen aus unmittelbarer Nähe aus?
Nichts. Es schafft nur ein Image der Zerstörung. Genau das ist, was wir für die Sling brauchen.

Title: Re: Serious Question about Practice
Post by timpa on Jan 11th, 2022 at 3:07pm
Exactly.
Viewers see an accurate close up of the power. That is the essence of it all. And the most fun.

Title: Re: Serious Question about Practice
Post by Jaegoor on Jan 11th, 2022 at 3:37pm
Aja. Es geht also nur um Zerstörung.
Das nennst du Essenz?
Mach ruhig. Ich nehme es nicht ernst.

Title: Re: Serious Question about Practice
Post by timpa on Jan 11th, 2022 at 3:51pm
Why? Where do I have to go? I am now where I want to be.

Key question: Why do I have to please others?

Title: Re: Serious Question about Practice
Post by Jaegoor on Jan 11th, 2022 at 4:12pm
Musst du ja nicht.
Vielleicht gefällst du dir einfach selbst. 8-)
Aber dein Wissen und Können repräsentiert es nicht. Die Sling als Waffe auch nicht. Aber wie gesagt. Keiner sagt das du musst.
Es ist nur meine persönliche Meinung. Die darf ich doch haben und äußern?
Oder wäre es dir dir lieber wenn ich es so ausdrücke?
:o :o :o :o unglaublich, phantastisch, hab ich noch nie gesehen. Das ist es.
So muß es sein. So war es . Was für eine unglaubliche Power. Du Maschine du
::) ::) ::) Könnte ich machen.  :P :P ::)

Title: Re: Serious Question about Practice
Post by joe_meadmaker on Jan 11th, 2022 at 4:42pm

timpa wrote on Jan 11th, 2022 at 3:07pm:
Viewers see an accurate close up of the power. That is the essence of it all. And the most fun.

Agreed!  :thumb:

No hiding the fact I like doing a bit of smashing myself.

Title: Re: Serious Question about Practice
Post by timpa on Jan 12th, 2022 at 1:01pm
Give me five joe  :D   I will not hide it.



Jaegoor wrote on Jan 11th, 2022 at 4:12pm:
Musst du ja nicht.
Vielleicht gefällst du dir einfach selbst. 8-)
Aber dein Wissen und Können repräsentiert es nicht. Die Sling als Waffe auch nicht. Aber wie gesagt. Keiner sagt das du musst.
Es ist nur meine persönliche Meinung. Die darf ich doch haben und äußern?
Oder wäre es dir dir lieber wenn ich es so ausdrücke?
:o :o :o :o unglaublich, phantastisch, hab ich noch nie gesehen. Das ist es.
So muß es sein. So war es . Was für eine unglaubliche Power. Du Maschine du
::) ::) ::) Könnte ich machen.  :P :P ::)


I never say to anyone:
My way of doing hobbies is the only right one.
Your way of doing things is wrong.

Title: Re: Serious Question about Practice
Post by othelloperrello on Sep 4th, 2022 at 9:11pm
If you don't have space or a convenient way to practice with stones or balls on a target, I have found that the wool dryer balls work fairly well as a practice ball that won't damage walls, fences, etc.  Almost a nervous or LARP sling bullet. 

Title: Re: Serious Question about Practice
Post by Blindsquirrel on Sep 10th, 2022 at 11:02pm
Mr. Jaegoor I would love to see a video for these fundamentals you have for teaching new slingers how to sling. Where could I find this video, good sir?

Title: Re: Serious Question about Practice
Post by lobohunter on Nov 11th, 2022 at 1:42am
My favorite form practice
Has always been 50 shots a day stump shooting
You know picking random targets at random distance
While meandering
To make it even better  it is almost always random  available  ammo  generally  local stones

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