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Message started by funditor on Nov 6th, 2021 at 5:54am

Title: Balearic Federation and International Association
Post by funditor on Nov 6th, 2021 at 5:54am
Seems Pep will not be the new President of the Balearic Federation.
Most of the clubs voted for someone lese, there is still time for adding other opinions.

Probably completely unrelated 😉 Pep announced there will be news yesterday about the foundation of an International Slinging Association in Spain. Association not Federation because of less legal requirements. So far I have not heard more...

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Title: Re: Balearic Federation and International Association
Post by funditor on Nov 6th, 2021 at 5:55am
In a correlating post members of the federation mentioned looking forward to a more participative and transparent leadership style
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Title: Re: Balearic Federation and International Association
Post by funditor on Nov 6th, 2021 at 5:58am
All clubs mentioned here voted for the same person. Club JASA Ibiza is not on this, where Pep is member.
Seems at least in the Balearic Federation some changes are upcoming.
We will see what happens in the international part.

Kachale told me India has a national Federation, if I got him right, so this would be the firat nation ever to do so.

Does anyone know if Guam has an offocial club or state federation or national federation

Title: Re: Balearic Federation and International Association
Post by funditor on Nov 6th, 2021 at 5:59am
In Austria we have two local clubs, working on getting a national federarion. Some say we need a third club for sport subsidiaries, so we are working on this as well...

Title: Re: Balearic Federation and International Association
Post by funditor on Nov 6th, 2021 at 7:41am
There is a video online, where Pep presents the future association.
Exclusively in Spanish 👍
Alex, this one is for you, as you for sure have missed these speeches desperately 😉
https://www.deportebalear.com/2021/11/06/presentacion-de-la-que-sera-la-futura-asociacion-internacional-de-tir-de-fona/

Title: Re: Balearic Federation and International Association
Post by funditor on Nov 6th, 2021 at 8:17am
Heard through it, so far I could not gather any new informatiin.
It is stil open if it is an association or federation or club, and a voting modality has to be found for national federatios vs. State federations vs. Clubs vs. Individual persons....

Title: Re: Balearic Federation and International Association
Post by David Morningstar on Nov 7th, 2021 at 12:44pm

I can see Jaegoors face right now --->  >:(

Keep us updated on this. Will the Federacion drop international competition now? 

Title: Re: Balearic Federation and International Association
Post by Kick on Nov 7th, 2021 at 12:58pm
Oh boy. I just hope we can all still meet up and sling once the dust has settled.

Title: Re: Balearic Federation and International Association
Post by Curious Aardvark on Nov 8th, 2021 at 11:16am
I imaging jaegoor is celebrating lol
he never approved of pep.

For my part pep pushed the international, I don't really care why, I just think it's a good thing for slinging.

beaurocracy - on the other hand, is never good for any organisation.

So i'm pretty sure pep will run an international next year - this year it was jasa and NOT balearic anyway.
So nothing changes there.

Christian - we need to have a chat :-)

It's about time we had a decent international in a different country.
Given, you have more clubs than anyone else, local support and enough land to hold a competition.
I vote for austria.

been a  couple of times in my youth. Once on a school sking trip and once for a huge international scouts meeting.

Definitely berchesgarten (?) for the scout meeting - I also thought that's where we were based for the skiing as well - but over 40 years later, that's just guessing.

Weirdly I also lived on the outskirts of celle (where jaegoor is based) as a kid. During the era when the baader-meinhof were active.
The local police carried sub-machine guns as standard.

Not sure I can see jaegoor running an international - but you never know - I suspect there would be a lot of rules ;-)
But he does have that fort, so that could be fun :-)
I'm pretty sure i'd get disqualified for something lol

But if you've got an airport near you and plenty cheap hotel/b&b accomodation in your area christian - can't see what's stopping us.

I've got everything in the uk, exept somewhere to hold the event and any kind of local support.
Which is kind of important lol

So anyway, that's my bright idea for today :-)
An international in Austria

Title: Re: Balearic Federation and International Association
Post by Curious Aardvark on Nov 8th, 2021 at 11:25am
An organised club in guam.

Hmm, don't think so.
But then you only really need something with organised bureacracy when you start taking money for club membership.

As far as I know, the regular wednesday night meetings are free.
The island government is involved in any really big events and Roman and Fokai clothing fund a lot of things.

So not sure they need a formal organisation.

And you get the impression that as soon as you formed one, somebody else would form another and so on.
On an island so small, all lots of clubs would do is dilute the energy and government support.

But I will find out :-)

Title: Re: Balearic Federation and International Association
Post by funditor on Nov 8th, 2021 at 12:53pm
Alex my usual training site would be great for hosting an international meeting with tennis balls

Actually its a sports hotel called Die Kantine
It has six indoor tennis places
Sanitary facilities including showers
A great restaurant
Thirty rooms, well equipped
5 mins walk from the train station
40min train ride from airport VIE, with many flights, only 1x change or 40E Taxi
Insurance is a topic, but for Tennis balls most liabilities are held by the tennis cour operator

One of my fields is nearby, with many stones

Was actually thinking of holding an European Championship for tennis balls on Dec 3rd
If not then next year

--> Who would be in???

Kick said his travel budget has been stretched alread, so not sure

Now the numbers going up, so not sure about Covid regulations

For stones the issue is insurance and safety precautions. Negotiations with insurance company ongoing.
Also this would be probably far out from civilisation, so loads of effort for transport, food dring and sanitary required, not sure how much this costs and how many people are willing to aid. Maybe a similar spors site would be required? Like hammer throwing, that can be easily adapted. Heve not found one yet.
Maybe a huge private school nearby might allow us on their outdoor facilities.
What do you think?

Title: Re: Balearic Federation and International Association
Post by David Morningstar on Nov 8th, 2021 at 1:53pm

I cant do Dec 3rd cos I'm already booked for that weekend. What have you got next year?

Title: Re: Balearic Federation and International Association
Post by Kick on Nov 9th, 2021 at 2:22am
Yeah it will have to be next year for me. I'm supposed to be looking for a job as I write this in fact...

Title: Re: Balearic Federation and International Association
Post by Curious Aardvark on Nov 9th, 2021 at 7:52am
Oh next year, definitely.

Austria in December, I don't own skis :-)

I was thinking maybe around late may or early June for a long weekend. Preferably outside the tourist season for cheaper flights and hotel.
Say Friday to Monday with competitions on Saturday and Sunday.

Saturday in the field for the slingers and Sunday in the hall for the locals and newspapers.

We can buy a couple bags of pebbles from a garden centre for ammo. Saw some recently, cheap and good sizes readily available.
It's a long way to the beach ;-)

If you can source a big enough BBQ, I'm happy to cook for a BBQ blowout on the Sunday night.
I have references, if required :-)
Generally travel with a good thermometer and suitable knife :whistle:

Something half oil drum size would do,  if more than 30 people, then two :-)

Would just need a trip to a supermarket and somewhere to prep and get food into marinades on the Saturday.
A large cool box and some freezer blocks would do for a fridge.
Marinades tend to kill bugs anyway. One of the many reasons for using them.

It's a fair bit of logistics.
I'll help with anything I can.

Portaloos (event toilets) are fairly cheap and one unit will do for up to 80 people. I would think around 100 - 150 euros for the weekend.
They come with fully loaded hand washing sinks.
So that's not a problem.

I'm sure some people would be prepared to camp.
Not me :-)
But David probably would. Give him two trees and a hammock and he's happy as a dog with two tails :-)

We all pay for Mallorca and Ibiza, so I don't see money being the issue.

Plus if you've got a local decent sized hotel, then with enough people staying for the same period,you can negotiate a good price.
Likewise negotiate with a local taxi firm for transport.
Or get friends to do some ferrying about.
I think the people-in-one-car record for Mallorca was 8 or 9. I think Pete was fed in horizontally for one journey.

I volunteer uwe for official haggler/negotiator.

He's the only person I know who Always manages to haggle pep down.
He even gets his taxi fare from the airport refunded.

He's missed his role in life, should have been a UN negotiator. :-)

Jaegoor always complains about the cost, but uwe always manages to do something about it.

Give him the number of the best hotel and unleash the Hubert !

The hotel will probably end up paying us to stay :-)

Given modern communications, no reason we can't help with the details, money collection etc.

And if you can promise No lectures or cultural visits, you'd probably get a lot more attendees :whistle:

Also look into sponsorship, your company might want some local publicity.
Get the local garden centre to sponsor stones.

All that kind of thing.

I'm sure some of the Amazon's probably have contacts.

The best thing you can do as event organiser, us to delegate ,:-)

Title: Re: Balearic Federation and International Association
Post by Jaegoor on Nov 9th, 2021 at 5:06pm
what are you saying?  i'm complaining about money?  Time is more my problem than money.

Title: Re: Balearic Federation and International Association
Post by Curious Aardvark on Nov 10th, 2021 at 8:04am
Lol you're always complaining about how much money you think pep is making and how cheap the first international was before pep took over.


Title: Re: Balearic Federation and International Association
Post by Jaegoor on Nov 11th, 2021 at 3:00am
Sorry , aber du erzählst Blödsinn. Ich habe mich nicht beschwert.ich habe erwähnt,  das ich das erste Turnier sehr gut fand. Das Hotel war erst klassisch. Und jeder Teilnehmer erhielt eine Art Prämie. Mateo war ein sehr geachteter Präsident der Federacio. Mit Pep hatte ich vorher nie Probleme. Du Meister der Dichtkunst. Vielleicht denkst du Mal darüber nach, wessen Gäste wir waren. Alle internationalen Teilnehmer waren Gäste der Federacio. Nicht von Pep. War Pep nun ein guter Präsident? Ja und Nein. Ja er hat die Federacio nach außen vertreten. Er hat auch gute Kontakte gepflegt und die internationalen Slinger weiter eingeladen.
Er war aber auch ein sehr schlechter  Präsident. Warum? Weil er viele seiner Aufgaben einfach nicht gemacht hat. Er hat keine wahlen mehr durchgeführt, er hat keine Berichte und dergleichen vorgelegt. Er hat mit den einzelnen Vereinen keine Absprachen durchgeführt sondern alleine entschieden. Dafür wurde er gekündigt. Nicht von der Federacio. Vom governeur der Balearen. Und damit hat er tatsächlich großen schaden angerichtet. Schade das du nicht hinter die Kulissen geschaut hast. Gelegenheit hättest du gehabt. Und höre bitte auf solche Geschichten von mir zu erzählen. Sie stimmen einfach nicht.

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