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Message started by Morphy on Apr 4th, 2021 at 10:37am

Title: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by Morphy on Apr 4th, 2021 at 10:37am
Eww....hows that for a titillating title? Nothing gets people responding like definitions!!!  ::)

Now that you have most foolishly wandered into my web, here’s the question:

We hear over and over that certain throws are more accurate. But one thing we don’t hear is “How much more or less accurate than another.”

Before we can decide on what is more or less accurate it would seem obvious we need to decide the upper limit of accuracy on whatever is considered the most accurate throw! Right?

But I know what you are thinking, we can’t know, and more so there is no such thing as a most accurate throw.

That makes sense to me, so let’s play hypotheticals. Using a Balearic scoring system what is the best score you are likely to get on a good day with your most accurate style from 20 meters over 20 shots?
This is something we can actually get hard answers to. Now what would be your average?

Some of you don’t practice on a Balearic target so have no idea. Some are out of practice. Some a bit of both. If you can’t give a rough answer without jeopardizing the accuracy of this question feel free not to answer . If you want to take an educated guess, go for it; be reasonable though.

So a hit on the square is 1 point. A hit on the diana, 2 points. The most points possible is 40 points. What say you?

Now, for the interesting part. If one style seems to have answers that are averaging a bit higher than others, and if people using...ahem...aesthetic throws, i.e. throws that look pretty but have no real substance or potential behind them then go out and meet or exceed said numbers would that be proof that there is no such thing as one perfect style? Or would that push people to gaining a greater understanding of these less traditional styles? I would hope both, but would settle for the second.

The reason I ask this is two fold. One, I tend to stay away from starting controversial subjects. I think this will be a peaceful Easter thread we can all discuss and really gain understanding and love from one another.

The other is that the only way to really know if one style exceeds others is to have very large, constant competitions as is done with archery or other shooting sports and then aggregate the numbers and look for trends.

The first point is bullshit of course and the second not possible at the present time so this is a start. We can set a hypothesis, get a baseline number and work from there.

Anyone interested in some good old fashioned conjecture?  :D :D :D

Title: Re: Let’s Define, With Poll!
Post by xud9a - call me zud 👍 on Apr 4th, 2021 at 11:49am
Yee Harr, this time I'm NOT responsible for starting the argument  ;D ;D
Definitions have no value without agreement on the meaning of the words used.... think about it  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Equally defining a physical action without agreeing the variables is worse than pointless.

So, in order to define the most ACCURATE (not best) style the variables must be eliminated.


Title: Re: Let’s Define, With Poll!
Post by xud9a - call me zud 👍 on Apr 4th, 2021 at 11:58am
In this instance the variables fall into three categories;
Environmental,
Physical,
Equipment.

So assuming all slingers are the same height,weight and strength and accepting
there will be no difference whether slinging in good weather with a supporting crowd of onlookers or alone on a snowy hill top.
We come to Equipment........
so in order to decide most accurate throw there must be no restriction on sling or projectile because we can't afford to reduce someones accuracy by dictating the equipment they use.

Title: Re: Let’s Define, With Poll!
Post by xud9a - call me zud 👍 on Apr 4th, 2021 at 12:03pm
Or can we ?
Sorry Morphy, any trial on accuracy can only be meaningful if all participants use identical equipment.
Cheers

Zud [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Title: Re: Let’s Define, With Poll!
Post by Morphy on Apr 4th, 2021 at 1:02pm

xud9a - call me zud 👍 wrote on Apr 4th, 2021 at 12:03pm:
Or can we ?
Sorry Morphy, any trial on accuracy can only be meaningful if all participants use identical equipment.
Cheers

Zud [smiley=thumbsup.gif]



I disagree. In archery people choose what bow and arrows they are going to use. Many variables are permitted within reason. In golf, what clubs you use for a given shot is up to you. In bowling you choose a ball based on your strength, and the list goes on ad infinitum. 

It would be impossible to all use the same exact equipment since not everyone has the same strength, arm length, etc. If I use a shorter sling I might prefer light ammo. If I am 7 foot tall I may use a much longer sling than someone who is 4 ft 5. If I use a longer sling I might need heavier ammo to get the same feel in the pouch.

Materials used to make a sling also offer no advantage whatsoever. Mersa might prefer dyneema and IronGoober sisal.  I think everyone will attest to the fact that sling material does not make one accurate. The question’s validity stands in my mind.

Hope we get some answers.

Title: Re: Let’s Define, With Poll!
Post by NooneOfConsequence on Apr 4th, 2021 at 1:03pm

xud9a - call me zud 👍 wrote on Apr 4th, 2021 at 12:03pm:
Or can we ?
Sorry Morphy, any trial on accuracy can only be meaningful if all participants use identical equipment.
Cheers

Zud [smiley=thumbsup.gif]


That’s why I built myself a sling factory... I can crank out a bunch of identical slings and change one thing at a time.

Title: Re: Let’s Define, With Poll!
Post by NooneOfConsequence on Apr 4th, 2021 at 1:04pm
For accuracy I prefer a medium sling with a sidearm throw. That’s the best.

Title: Re: Let’s Define, With Poll!
Post by Morphy on Apr 4th, 2021 at 1:09pm

NooneOfConsequence wrote on Apr 4th, 2021 at 1:04pm:
For accuracy I prefer a medium sling with a sidearm throw. That’s the best.



Can you give your average target score? Is your target set up under balearic standards? Actually..no it’s not. Doh... this might be a hard question to answer with so few people that can actually answer it.

The variables we need to account for are distance to target and target. Use whatever works best for you. That should be plenty. But even that is going to be difficult.

Title: Re: Let’s Define, With Poll!
Post by Rat Man on Apr 4th, 2021 at 2:57pm
   I am out of practice and generally don't sling at Balearic targets so any answer I give will contaminate your data.  So here is my contaminated answer.  My most accurate style is underarm.  It doesn't give me the best range though so for anything over a hundred yards I'd use Balearic.  My ideal sling length is 38"... half my height.   

Title: Re: Let’s Define, With Poll!
Post by Morphy on Apr 4th, 2021 at 4:27pm
Thanks RM.

I know youve always preferred a longer sling. Some of the Balearic slingers Ive seen are the same and are quite accurate.

I would love to know how many points you could get with underarm back at your best. Its an often forgotten throw.

If we even get a couple answers from people who have done the 20 shots at 20 meters I will be surprised. So many of us just sling at whatever. Worth a shot though.

Title: Re: Let’s Define, With Poll!
Post by xud9a - call me zud 👍 on Apr 4th, 2021 at 5:56pm

Morphy wrote on Apr 4th, 2021 at 1:02pm:

xud9a - call me zud 👍 wrote on Apr 4th, 2021 at 12:03pm:
Or can we ?
Sorry Morphy, any trial on accuracy can only be meaningful if all participants use identical equipment.
Cheers

Zud [smiley=thumbsup.gif]



I disagree. In archery people choose what bow and arrows they are going to use. Many variables are permitted within reason. In golf, what clubs you use for a given shot is up to you. In bowling you choose a ball based on your strength, and the list goes on ad infinitum. 

It would be impossible to all use the same exact equipment since not everyone has the same strength, arm length, etc. If I use a shorter sling I might prefer light ammo. If I am 7 foot tall I may use a much longer sling than someone who is 4 ft 5. If I use a longer sling I might need heavier ammo to get the same feel in the pouch.

Materials used to make a sling also offer no advantage whatsoever. Mersa might prefer dyneema and IronGoober sisal.  I think everyone will attest to the fact that sling material does not make one accurate. The question’s validity stands in my mind.

Hope we get some answers.


https://www.rulesofsport.com/sports/archery.html

Suggests differently regarding archery.

In golf the ball is absolutely regulated and the clubs must be within certain parameters.

Bowling the ball is identical and regulated in weight classes.

and the list goes on ad infinitum ; Javelin, Discus, Hammer, Shot putt all regulated equipment.

Your hypothesis is to test the accuracy of styles.

The scientific method exists for a reason.

Why not write up your hypothesis and method of testing so you can be peer reviewed in order to produce statistically significant data ?

Cheers

Zud [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Title: Re: Let’s Define, With Poll!
Post by joe_meadmaker on Apr 4th, 2021 at 6:39pm
I think I agree with Morphy.  The question is which style is the most accurate.  I think a restriction on the sling would be a mistake because it was stated in the proposal to use your most accurate style, and some slings are better with certain styles that others.  (On that note, someone needs to make a video of a pirouette throw with a balearic sling.  That would be funny.)

If we were testing the accuracy of a particular sling, then I would agree with Zud.  Everyone should definitely be using the same sling in that situation.  But if the idea is to get data of the best accuracy possible, then I think each slinger needs to be using their preferred sling and style.

I don't disagree with your general point Zud.  I think certain restrictions would result in more specific data.  But in early stages of data collection, I don't see any problem with gathering fairly general data just to see what kind of response there is here on the forum.  If there's a lot of participation, then maybe we try to get more specific information.

I'll be able to get you some numbers Morphy.  I've started trying to incorporate regular target slinging into my routine now that the weather is getting nicer.  My target is almost identical to a balearic size.  I'm trying to get out and sling 3 or 4 times a week, and I do a round of 24 throws (that's how many ice balls I can make in 24 hours).  I'm pretty terrible right now because we're not far past the lull of winter.  Another thing is my target is closer to 15m away.  But maybe my accuracy can be cut to 75% since that is the proportion of 15m to 20m.  I know that's not how it would work in reality, but I'm at the max distance I can do with how I have things set up.  Anyway, I'll get the data from my last few rounds posted soon.

Title: Re: Let’s Define, With Poll!
Post by NooneOfConsequence on Apr 4th, 2021 at 7:22pm

Morphy wrote on Apr 4th, 2021 at 1:09pm:

NooneOfConsequence wrote on Apr 4th, 2021 at 1:04pm:
For accuracy I prefer a medium sling with a sidearm throw. That’s the best.



Can you give your average target score? Is your target set up under balearic standards? Actually..no it’s not. Doh... this might be a hard question to answer with so few people that can actually answer it.

The variables we need to account for are distance to target and target. Use whatever works best for you. That should be plenty. But even that is going to be difficult.


Distance is exactly 13 paces. Target is shaped like a Balearic target, but it’s slightly smaller. My average is around 60% hits.

Title: Re: Let’s Define, With Poll!
Post by Morphy on Apr 4th, 2021 at 9:02pm
We are getting off subject here but for the sake of clarity, let me just say you should do a google image search on “olympic archery bows” and take a look at the amount of variety of gear they are using.

Archery being from the same time period as slings and also having grown from a weapon of war into a sport is probably the best analogue for an approach to sling competitions.

The main thing these bows have in common is they are all olympic recurves (a huge category). Look at all the different brands and styles. They are almost endless. Anyone reading this can do a quick google search and see I am not making this up. Don’t even focus on the minutia of stabilizer types and set ups. Just look at the variety in the risers themselves. Tons of different models and none of those models are shaped haphazardly. Millions of dollars go into researching and designing risers to have the best characteristics. They offer various benefits and drawbacks.



Notice the lady on the left has only a middle stabilizer. While the others have top stabilizers as well. And these are all from the same shooting team in the same competition with the exact same rules. Go look on google man. Sorry but you are incorrect.

Anyways, back to the more general discussion.

The reason forcing everyone to use the exact same type, weight, length, pouch length, material etc slings is because we are not looking for just one thing. We are looking for trends. For example, If we have 100 people competing and each is using their best sling for their style what would that show us? Well, it would show us, for example, that group A among Fig-8 slingers does better with this type of sling. That’s a general trend we can then choose to focus on. Likewise, we might see that Group H - those who use Balearic slings with 1 rotation do better (or worse) than those who also use the byzantine with say wool peruvian slings.

So yes this is about accuracy, but specifically it’s about the highest accuracy *possible* first and foremost. Once we have an upper limit we can then look at the particulars.

Dont get lost in the weeds here. You have talked about the scientific method. There is not just one way to perform a study. What I am suggesting is to focus on a meta-analysis of large amounts of studies/data. Not very specific data that only addresses one very specific aspect of the sport.

If we go in the direction you are suggesting we only know what style works best for a Balearic sling of a certain length, with a certain type of leather, with a certain braid, with a certain exact throw etc. It would be no surprise then if a Balearic style multi-rotational side arm throw then works best with a Balearic sling. But that tells us nothing. Again, I’m not looking for the best score with a certain set up. I’m looking for the best score possible with *any* set up. Which is why we cannot do it the way you are suggesting until we have a wider range of data. 





Title: Re: Let’s Define, With Poll!
Post by Morphy on Apr 4th, 2021 at 9:07pm

joe_meadmaker wrote on Apr 4th, 2021 at 6:39pm:
I think I agree with Morphy.  The question is which style is the most accurate.  I think a restriction on the sling would be a mistake because it was stated in the proposal to use your most accurate style, and some slings are better with certain styles that others.  (On that note, someone needs to make a video of a pirouette throw with a balearic sling.  That would be funny.)

If we were testing the accuracy of a particular sling, then I would agree with Zud.  Everyone should definitely be using the same sling in that situation.  But if the idea is to get data of the best accuracy possible, then I think each slinger needs to be using their preferred sling and style.

I don't disagree with your general point Zud.  I think certain restrictions would result in more specific data.  But in early stages of data collection, I don't see any problem with gathering fairly general data just to see what kind of response there is here on the forum.  If there's a lot of participation, then maybe we try to get more specific information.

I'll be able to get you some numbers Morphy.  I've started trying to incorporate regular target slinging into my routine now that the weather is getting nicer.  My target is almost identical to a balearic size.  I'm trying to get out and sling 3 or 4 times a week, and I do a round of 24 throws (that's how many ice balls I can make in 24 hours).  I'm pretty terrible right now because we're not far past the lull of winter.  Another thing is my target is closer to 15m away.  But maybe my accuracy can be cut to 75% since that is the proportion of 15m to 20m.  I know that's not how it would work in reality, but I'm at the max distance I can do with how I have things set up.  Anyway, I'll get the data from my last few rounds posted soon.


Thanks Joe, I do appreciate you taking part. Especially since you have shown yourself to be very capable in target slinging.

As for right now, if you can give me the data you can collect we can apply Aussies accuracy index to it and see where you are at compared to those slinging at 20 meters. Best scores and average scores would be ideal as would as much info you can give about your sling and throwing style. Thanks again, it means a lot. We can learn a ton about this if we get enough info. Right now some is better than none.

Title: Re: Let’s Define Max Sling Accuracy! With Poll!
Post by Morphy on Apr 4th, 2021 at 9:11pm

NooneOfConsequence wrote on Apr 4th, 2021 at 7:22pm:

Morphy wrote on Apr 4th, 2021 at 1:09pm:

NooneOfConsequence wrote on Apr 4th, 2021 at 1:04pm:
For accuracy I prefer a medium sling with a sidearm throw. That’s the best.



Can you give your average target score? Is your target set up under balearic standards? Actually..no it’s not. Doh... this might be a hard question to answer with so few people that can actually answer it.

The variables we need to account for are distance to target and target. Use whatever works best for you. That should be plenty. But even that is going to be difficult.


Distance is exactly 13 paces. Target is shaped like a Balearic target, but it’s slightly smaller. My average is around 60% hits.


I know you sling all the time. What if I gave you a reason to go out and sling more? Could you sling for a few days and see whats the very best score you can get? Can you also give me the dimensions of the target and the exact distance from target? If you are counting bullseyes I would need that measurement as well. We can plug all this into the accuracy index and see where everyone is at. I know you are busy but if you ever have time, please, think of the children.

Really though, what we need is your best 20 shot group. Distance and target size I can work with but your best 20 shot group would be excellent. Thanks man.

Title: Re: Let’s Define, With Poll!
Post by xud9a - call me zud 👍 on Apr 4th, 2021 at 10:26pm
Do you seek
"the highest accuracy possible"
or
"the best score possible" ?

Despite my previously admitted pedantry, I am not playing semantics for fun.

If you seek the acme of accuracy, that boat has sailed with the unicorn chasers aboard.

If you want the best possible score I thought that was why competitions were held.

Have fun.

Cheers,

Zud [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Title: Re: Let’s Define, With Poll!
Post by joe_meadmaker on Apr 4th, 2021 at 11:15pm
Here's an entry.  In another week or two, hopefully I'll be doing better (not meaning I wasn't happy with this session).

Sling length: 32 inches
Distance to target: 53 ft (16.1 m)
Total throws - 24
Diana - 5
Target - 10
Miss - 9
Accuracy - 62.5%

I was happy with this session, and haven't had a video of just normal slinging in a while, so I posted it.  https://youtu.be/lxwer2WEfZ4

Not sure on style though.  I've never really been able to classify the throw I use.  It's got similar concepts to a couple styles, but doesn't seem to fit exactly.  I usually think of it as a rotor in a diagonal plane with a sidearm release.  I'd be curious to hear if anyone thinks this fits well into a named style.

Title: Re: Let’s Define, With Poll!
Post by NooneOfConsequence on Apr 4th, 2021 at 11:23pm
Ok fine. Ill give a more serious answer...  and it’s close-ish to Joe Meadmaker’s. I tracked statistics on my slinging for a little while and was hitting a 3/4 size Balearic target at 10m 60% of the time with bullseyes 15% of the time. I used a 27” asymmetric sling made of paracord and leather.

We have a section in maths where we can post slinging session stats, but I don’t think it’s used much.

Here’s one of the slightly better than average examples:4/5 hits, 1 bullseye. I tend to average 3/5 hits overall.

https://youtu.be/hXmcqBk9tMQ

My statistics might also be better most days if I threw out the first 30 throws and called them a “warmup”, but I need more data to know for sure.

Title: Re: Let’s Define, With Poll!
Post by Morphy on Apr 5th, 2021 at 12:02am
Thanks guys thats exactly what im looking for! I will have to get my crayons out and do some very ugly attempts at basic math. Hopefully we can get an idea of accuracy levels.

So one good thing about this is even if one person is slinging at 16 m and another at 20 its still close enough that we dont have to add on increased difficultly due to windage, elevation, spin related effects etc.

This is good. Really good. Thanks again.


Title: Re: Let’s Define, With Poll!
Post by IronGoober on Apr 5th, 2021 at 2:33am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSh1BhyrGis.
14 shots, 6 dianas, 6 squares, 20 m. Note: the square hits are me measuring the pixels in the video to find where the edge of the square would have been on the wooden wall as it isn't marked.

I've posted this before but it was a pretty good session. I have definitely repeated it, though.   Maybe had a few sessions that were better, but barely. Maybe change a square to a diana hit.


Title: Re: Let’s Define, With Poll!
Post by TOMBELAINE on Apr 5th, 2021 at 8:58am
Hi Morphy,
My contribution :
range : 25 paces (about 16 meters). Target : 40 cm/ 40 cm. That' how I train.
Greek style overhand : 1/3 successful.
Underarm : 1/20 successful.
I hope I'm useful to you.


Title: Re: Let’s Define, With Poll!
Post by Morphy on Apr 5th, 2021 at 9:22am

TOMBELAINE wrote on Apr 5th, 2021 at 8:58am:
Hi Morphy,
My contribution :
range : 25 paces (about 16 meters). Target : 40 cm/ 40 cm. That' how I train.
Greek style overhand : 1/3 successful.
Underarm : 1/20 successful.
I hope I'm useful to you.


Yes, thats great. Thank you!

Title: Re: Let’s Define, With Poll!
Post by Morphy on Apr 5th, 2021 at 9:38am

IronGoober wrote on Apr 5th, 2021 at 2:33am:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSh1BhyrGis.
14 shots, 6 dianas, 6 squares, 20 m. Note: the square hits are me measuring the pixels in the video to find where the edge of the square would have been on the wooden wall as it isn't marked.

I've posted this before but it was a pretty good session. I have definitely repeated it, though.   Maybe had a few sessions that were better, but barely. Maybe change a square to a diana hit.


Must have been tired. I missed this! Thanks IG!

I cant help but think you would have a really good chance at winning the international. At least based on practice scores. We all know during the competition things get a little squirelly.

That was excellent!!

Title: Re: Let’s Define, With Poll!
Post by NooneOfConsequence on Apr 5th, 2021 at 5:35pm
Morphy, I will try to get consistent stats for you. I was collecting data specifically to compare different tread patterns during silicone treatment experiments when I shot the video above.

Title: Re: Let’s Define, With Poll!
Post by Morphy on Apr 5th, 2021 at 8:03pm

NooneOfConsequence wrote on Apr 5th, 2021 at 5:35pm:
Morphy, I will try to get consistent stats for you. I was collecting data specifically to compare different tread patterns during silicone treatment experiments when I shot the video above.


That would be wonderful NOOC thanks! Even if we only had 5-10 people give stats that would be so much more participation than I expected.

Since I cant make up numbers out of no where Ill just let whichever entry in this thread thats the best be our upper limit for now. No sense in guessing.

Actually maybe I can look up videos people have posted of unedited shots. The vast majority of slingers dont bother posting anything but good shot runs so that should suffice in our very, very unscientific beginning. Got to start somewhere right?

Thanks again NOOC!

Title: Re: Let’s Define, With Poll!
Post by NooneOfConsequence on Apr 5th, 2021 at 11:30pm
Just so you don’t think I’m trying to make myself look better than I am... here’s a second example that is below average for me: 40% hits (2/5)

https://youtu.be/wI5gcennET8

Title: Re: Let’s Define, With Poll!
Post by J on Apr 6th, 2021 at 11:37am
Just wanna put it out there but recently  I braided a really short sling (12'') and I got no doubt it is deadly. You really have to use a ~200g rock or heavier and give it a good whang to get decent velocity, but it still beats a hand thrown stone by a lot. Fig 8 / overhand comes natural to it, and its range is limited to probably about 50~60 meters max in a big lobbing arc.  But for short distances, around 10 meters or less, it's quite easy to be accurate, and it's super quick to reload and very easy to use in tight spaces. You could keep it under the poker table, It's like a pistol sling.

Title: Re: Let’s Define, With Poll!
Post by Morphy on Apr 6th, 2021 at 12:41pm
Excellent!!!

Now before posting initial numbers if I may just say 2 things.

First, these were not sessions done with any kind of prize in mind. Not even really the pride of being the best. We all have days, and I know you all know this, that we are 3 times better than our worst days. That is just the nature of slinging. So before you look at numbers and judge yourself (which is exactly what I would be doing lol) keep in mind this is one day. Not even one day really. Just a relatively few shots. I could sling 200 shots in no time, so even a 100 shots is just a snap shot of a moment in time. your next score, should you choose to post additional scores could be twice as good. Same slinger, same sling, same ammo, different day.

Secondly, this is not meant to be a challenge. This is for science my good men!!!  ;D We are pushing the limits of accuracy or at the very least we are trying to discover both your max limit and your average limit and in doing so hopefully get a better idea of what the sling’s max limit is. That will be awhile, but this is where that starts.

Ok, so now for the process.

It’s very simple- using the Absolute Difficulty Index simply divide the target distance by the target size making sure both are in the same units of measurement.

That gives us the ADI number. Then take percentage of hits versus misses and multiply the ADI by that percentage. The final number is the score. I decided for simplicitie’s sake to only use the biggest target size available. So if you have the square and the diana then all diana hits became hits and all square hits became hits. No points this time. We can/will do that in the future.

Ok without further ado:

(Assuming Joe’s square is the standard 47 inches)

1615 cm / 119 cm =ADI 13.5

13.5x62.5% hit rate =

Joe Meadmaker - Score of 8.5

——————————————————

IG- 2000 cm/ 119 cm = ADI 16

16x85% hit rate = 14.2

IronGoober - Score of 14.2


——————————

Tombelaine - 1600cm/40 cm =ADI -40

40x 33% hit rate = 13.2

Tombelaine - Score of 13.2
——————————-

NOOC

1000cm/83cm = ADI - 12

12 x 64% hit rate = 7.7

NOOC score of 7.7
——————————————-

Technically these are equal across the board. So long as we stay within 20 meters of the target distance/windage/power etc dont really change from 10-20 meters so that’s not the issue.

But then again not really as NOOC went ironman on us and did 50 shots in a row. That will of course wildly swing your average downwards or at least “should” since slinging is so focus intensive and unfortunately focus degrades over that many shots, it doesnt get better.

I point this out so that when I choose to do a 20 shot run like a sensible person you know its purely for my ego...I mean for science, and as always, for the children.  ;D ;D

Title: Re: Let’s Define, With Poll!
Post by Morphy on Apr 6th, 2021 at 12:43pm
Ok and one more thing. I’ve mentioned this elsewhere but I will be perusing youtube videos for unedited shot runs with target size and distance. I’ll post what I find here. The vast majority of people do not post only horrible throwing sessions (does anyone?), so whatever numbers are posted here should be reflective of their accuracy on average, on that particular day, etc.  ;D

Title: Re: Let’s Define, With Poll!
Post by Morphy on Apr 6th, 2021 at 12:53pm
Also, lastly, certain of you will be required to take part in this. Weather is no excuse, as is disability, money, time or any other possible excuse. If you are feeling judged right now I’m probably talking about you.

YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!!!!  ;) ;D ;D

Title: Re: Let’s Define, With Poll!
Post by Kick on Apr 6th, 2021 at 12:57pm
I feel very called out.

Title: Re: Let’s Define, With Poll!
Post by Morphy on Apr 6th, 2021 at 12:58pm

Kick wrote on Apr 6th, 2021 at 12:57pm:
I feel very called out.


Good. That was the intention! Lol.  :D But if it makes you feel better, it’s not just you.

EDIT: Ok...maybe we should add 2 more rules.

1. There must be at least 20 shots in a row. (Assuming we want accurate info)

2. You must obtain a hit percentage of at least 25%.

These two rules are to prevent someone from choosing an absurdly small target Nd grtting one or two lucky hits and posting a score that is so far out of line with averages it collapses the whole system.

Title: Re: Let’s Define Max Accuracy! With Poll!
Post by NooneOfConsequence on Apr 6th, 2021 at 1:31pm
I took 50 shots in 10 rounds of 5 shots each today. 
No warmup shots
28.5" asymmetric sling (parcord with leather pouch)
Byzantine style
30x36" target size with 12" bullseye

Results: 32/50 hits
I didn't tally up bullseyes versus normal hits.

64% Accuracy


Looking at the effects of a warmup... 1st 25 shots:  16/25 = 64%
second set of shots: 16/25 = 64%

No change across 50 shots :)
Maybe next time I'll try 100 if I have time.

Title: Re: Let’s Define Max Accuracy! With Poll!
Post by Morphy on Apr 6th, 2021 at 1:37pm
Impressive but Im still going with 20  :)

Title: Re: Let’s Define Max Accuracy! With Poll!
Post by NooneOfConsequence on Apr 6th, 2021 at 1:39pm
I'm confused Morphy.  My target was smaller than a standard Balearic... why is the ADI not a bigger number for mine than Joe M's?

Title: Re: Let’s Define Max Accuracy! With Poll!
Post by Morphy on Apr 6th, 2021 at 1:41pm

NooneOfConsequence wrote on Apr 6th, 2021 at 1:39pm:
I'm confused Morphy.  My target was smaller than a standard Balearic... why is the ADI not a bigger number for mine than Joe M's?


Joes distance was 50% further.

Title: Re: Let’s Define Max Accuracy! With Poll!
Post by NooneOfConsequence on Apr 6th, 2021 at 1:43pm
Oh wait... I get it.  I was a lot closer than he was... makes sense now.

Title: Re: Let’s Define Max Accuracy! With Poll!
Post by NooneOfConsequence on Apr 6th, 2021 at 2:23pm
Morphy has mentioned it already but I will reiterate that more shots is way better. If you change one in 20 shots it’s a 5% difference. If I had only posted results of my first 20 shots instead of 50, the hit percentage would’ve been 70% instead of 64%, but 64 is more accurate of an estimate of my shooting.

Title: Re: Let’s Define Max Accuracy! With Poll!
Post by Morphy on Apr 7th, 2021 at 12:34pm
https://youtu.be/-hT0FYWUHvc

Jaegoor -

2000cm distance ÷ 120 cm =  ADI 16.6

16.6 x 85% = 14.16

Jaegoor's score is 14.2

Title: Re: Let’s Define Max Accuracy! With Poll!
Post by Morphy on Apr 7th, 2021 at 12:35pm
More to be added as I find them. Theres hopefully enough to get a really good start on scores.

Title: Re: Let’s Define Max Accuracy! With Poll!
Post by Albion Slinger on Apr 7th, 2021 at 12:55pm
When I get time, I'll try and get out with my 13" Balearic for some interesting comparison.

Title: Re: Let’s Define Max Accuracy! With Poll!
Post by Morphy on Apr 7th, 2021 at 5:16pm

Archaic Arms wrote on Apr 7th, 2021 at 12:55pm:
When I get time, I'll try and get out with my 13" Balearic for some interesting comparison.


That would be much appreciated. Especially with the very short sling.

Title: Re: Let’s Define Max Accuracy! With Poll!
Post by NooneOfConsequence on Apr 9th, 2021 at 6:53pm
I actually took a tape measure out and did another 50 shots... 64% again, but the exact distance measurement was 14.5m...

Assuming I probably stepped in front of the starting line because of the way I lunge forward on the throw, I would revise my distance estimate to around 13 meters instead of 10, which was originally based on pacing it off.

Title: Re: Let’s Define Max Accuracy! With Poll!
Post by NooneOfConsequence on Apr 12th, 2021 at 2:26pm
Ok, since Morphy wants “best” accuracy shooting, here’s a 50-shot sequence from last Friday. If you count the first half as warmup then I had 76% over 25 sequential shots in the second half of the practice session. Overall average is 64% without a warmup.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_48iSIbZF8

Title: Re: Let’s Define Max Accuracy! With Poll!
Post by Morphy on Apr 12th, 2021 at 5:04pm
Ya not a problem. So long as they are in a row and on video that works.

That is really good. Looks like you upped your score considerably.

13 ms at 33 inch target

1300cm ÷84= 15.4

15.4 x 74% hit rate =11.4 score

NOOCs new top score is 11.4

Huge increase.

Title: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by Morphy on May 2nd, 2021 at 10:07am
Ok, due to my disorganization starting out where I accepted all entries, I’m going to have two columns here. One is free style. You can have a minimum of 10 shots. We can’t accept anything less than 10 although if you want to post numbers from a good run that has say...5 shots, feel free. You need a 33% hit rate on the 10 shots for it to count on this thread. So 1/3 of all shots have to be hits FOR FREESTYLE. Remember the targets on both freestyle and official have to be just one target. If there is a large target and a diana in the middle we can score this as only the hits you did on the diana or all hits anywhere on the larger target, but that larger target will lower the score. So choose which gives you the best showing. No multiple targets on this thread or I would have to adjust the hit box area each time you knock one of the targets over and I’m far too lazy for that.

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For the Official Scores you need at least 20 shots in a row with no cuts or edits with a hit rate of at least 25%. If you get a really good score without any proof throw it up here and we can see what we can do. Usually if you can do it once you can do it again. Maybe no proof scores that are extremely good will get an asterisk. Once we get a video showing the same result that dirty little asterisk will be taken off. Either way it’s fun to take part.

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Ok so here’s the Freestyle/Official scores. Remember this is a thread to push the limits. Everyone is using different set ups and not all are ideal. Keep that in mind when judging your score. This is just to help motivate you and give you ideas to refine your throw/ammo/set up. (As well as see what the highest accuracy is possible for the sling.)

(O) Joe Meadmaker-

Top Scoring Round:

Sling length: 32 inches
Distance- 16.1m
Target 1.2 meters
Throws- 24
Hits- 16
Hit rate- 67%

Score= 9

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(F) IronGoober-

Top Freestyle Score 05/02/2021

Top Scoring Round:

Distance- 10m
Target- 30.4cm
Throws- 10
Hits- 6
Hit Rate- 60%

Score - 19.7

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(F) Tombelaine -

Top Scoring Round:

Distance- 16m
Target- 40cm
Throws- unknown
Hits- unknown
Hit Rate- 33%

Score - 13.2

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(O) NoOneOfConsequence

Top Scoring Round:

Sling: 28.5” asymmetric sling (paracord/leather)
Byzantine
Distance-13m
Target-84cm
Throws-25
Hits- 19

Score - 11.8

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(O) Jaegoor

Top Official Score 04/07/2021

Distance- 2000cm
Target-120cm
Throws-20
Hits-17
Hit Rate- 85%

Score- 14.2

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(F) PracticalParacord

Distance -10m
Target - 50cm
Throws-10
Hits-9
Hit Rate- 90%

Score- 18

https://youtu.be/sbb3BxQH6I0

Very nice slinging!

If you do see this and want to give us some more info on your sling please feel free. The more detailed the info the better.

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by joe_meadmaker on May 2nd, 2021 at 11:43am

NooneOfConsequence wrote on Apr 12th, 2021 at 2:26pm:
here’s a 50-shot sequence from last Friday.

Somehow I completely missed this post.  That was awesome man!  Looks like you're getting a really consistent and powerful throw.  Very similar looking to IG's throw.  I love it!
It's making me want to try a few sessions without a rotor.  But that worries me.  :-/


@Morphy - I've got an update.  I broke the 2/3 barrier.  The sling, distance, etc. is all exactly the same as my other entry.  My session on 4/21 was the following:

Diana - 3
Target - 13
Miss - 8
Hit percentage ≈ 67%

I can post a video if you need it.  Let me know.

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by Morphy on May 2nd, 2021 at 12:25pm

joe_meadmaker wrote on May 2nd, 2021 at 11:43am:

NooneOfConsequence wrote on Apr 12th, 2021 at 2:26pm:
here’s a 50-shot sequence from last Friday.

Somehow I completely missed this post.  That was awesome man!  Looks like you're getting a really consistent and powerful throw.  Very similar looking to IG's throw.  I love it!
It's making me want to try a few sessions without a rotor.  But that worries me.  :-/


@Morphy - I've got an update.  I broke the 2/3 barrier.  The sling, distance, etc. is all exactly the same as my other entry.  My session on 4/21 was the following:

Diana - 3
Target - 13
Miss - 8
Hit percentage ≈ 67%

I can post a video if you need it.  Let me know.



Awesome man! Well realistically we dont "need" you to. No one doubts your honesty but for the sake of keeping it fair I think going forward that would be the best idea for everyone. Really I have to have as much proof so when we do see trends (if we do) then we can make sure nothings been missed and answer any doubts people may have.

I love that you are making progress man! Also , hey this just occurred to me. If you have any thing youve been changing to get better scores up we would love to hear it. It might spur some interesting discussion.

Adjusting your new Top Score now.

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by Sarosh on May 2nd, 2021 at 1:17pm
I wasn't following this thread how do you measure score?

I know that 70% of my throws landed* in ~9° solid angle. It is supposed to be independent of distance but it is measured at 20-40m and I havent done a measurement for quite a while so my avg might have changed for better or worse...

*P.S. : very rough average of 2017,2018,2019 measurements

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by Morphy on May 2nd, 2021 at 4:51pm

Sarosh wrote on May 2nd, 2021 at 1:17pm:
I wasn't following this thread how do you measure score?

I know that 70% of my throws landed* in ~9° solid angle. It is supposed to be independent of distance but it is measured at 20-40m and I havent done a measurement for quite a while so my avg might have changed for better or worse...

*P.S. : very rough average of 2017,2018,2019 measurements



Pretty simple just post a video showing an unedited shot sequence. Minimum of 10 shots for freestyle whereas official scoring is a minimum of 20 shots in a row unedited with distance and target size. We are using the ADI to determine score.

This thread is to see what the maximum accuracy we can manage to get from the sling is. Use whatever style of throw, sling and ammo you like. Its not really competitive, theres nothing to win or lose expect to challenge yourself to get better.

Free style must have a minimum of 33% hit rate on your target.

Official must have a minimum of 25% hit rate.

You must choose one target as your scoring target. For example we cant distinguish between hits on a diana and hits on the main body of the Balaeric target. You can choose all the hits on a balearic target or just the hits on the diana. A larger target might have more hits but the larger size will tend to lower score unless you only scored a few hits on the diana.

Any info you can give on your throwing style, set up etc is helpful. Thats about it.

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by Morphy on May 3rd, 2021 at 3:20am
https://youtu.be/8_HNNkmI-hQ

Nice job IG!

New Personal Top Score and Highest score for Freestyle!

(F) IronGoober-

Distance: 10m
Target: 30.4 cm
Throws: 10
Hit: 6
Hit Rate: 60%

Score: 19.7

Nice job man!


Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by Sarosh on May 3rd, 2021 at 11:33am
How did you beat the forcefield IG? I still can't :P

PS: I need more practice or a bigger target.
https://youtu.be/HmHPmK0O1zM

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by Morphy on May 3rd, 2021 at 2:54pm
Very good accuracy and consistency Sarosh. It would be interesting to see what your score is with a target 3-4 times that big. Many of your shots wouldve been hits I think. 20cm is super small.

Was the ammo fairly consistent?

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by Sarosh on May 3rd, 2021 at 3:47pm

Morphy wrote on May 3rd, 2021 at 2:54pm:
Very good accuracy and consistency Sarosh. It would be interesting to see what your score is with a target 3-4 times that big. Many of your shots wouldve been hits I think. 20cm is super small.

Was the ammo fairly consistent?


I don't know what I gonna do with target size yet. The ammo varied in mass and shape, at this close range the effects are diminished but still exist. The main problem I try to solve right now is that I cant focus enough when I'm slinging.

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by IronGoober on May 3rd, 2021 at 4:26pm

Sarosh wrote on May 3rd, 2021 at 11:33am:
How did you beat the forcefield IG? I still can't :P


I feel like I should get this, but I don't get the reference.

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by Sarosh on May 3rd, 2021 at 5:27pm

IronGoober wrote on May 3rd, 2021 at 4:26pm:
Sarosh wrote Yesterday at 6:33pm:
How did you beat the forcefield IG? I still can't Tongue


I feel like I should get this, but I don't get the reference.


There is a force field around small targets which causes no hits but many near misses. In your video you broke through it somehow.


Morphy wrote on Apr 29th, 2021 at 4:32am:
But it’s like can size objects have this mind of their own. They repel objects that are trying to hit them.

https://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1618488836/42#42

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by Morphy on May 3rd, 2021 at 7:25pm
Sarosh a few of us have been working on this problem outside the forum and have figured out you can use the force field effect to your advantage. Simply hang two small can size objects on either side of the intended target and it will funnel your shots into a bullseye. I suspect IG is using this technique and then editing out the cans to make it look legit.

Likewise I have made can bolas to throw at animals I intend on hunting to greatly increase my odds of hitting them with a sling.

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by joe_meadmaker on May 3rd, 2021 at 8:43pm
No, no, no.  If the force field is giving you problems, you just need to clear your mind.  Feel the stone.  ;)

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by Morphy on May 3rd, 2021 at 10:06pm

joe_meadmaker wrote on May 3rd, 2021 at 8:43pm:
No, no, no.  If the force field is giving you problems, you just need to clear your mind.  Feel the stone.  ;)


Feel the Fanta Luke.  :)

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by Sarosh on May 4th, 2021 at 3:06am
lol
having a wall or a cliff on the side keeps my shots closer together, we should combine our knowledge

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by Morphy on May 4th, 2021 at 8:32am
I’m still working on adding a scope to my sling. I think that’s going to open up this whole sport to the masses.

Anyhow, soooo....

Besides everyone, who needs a place on this list?! Well, let’s see...

Albion
Kick
Sarosh
hmm...

CZECHSLINGER, cmon man!!

Who else...

Technically all of you would be ideal but some of you I see put up more slinging videos than others and some of you all no longer love us at all and refuse to post a video!

Vet, step away from the bees and pick that damn sling up!!! Ok, I’m done. Thanks for listening!

EDIT:
CA? Where are you man! J, I miss your sweet, sweet slinging bro!
Basically if you aren’t on this list, you need to be! That includes me!

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by Kick on May 4th, 2021 at 8:47am
I tried today and did TERRIBLE. I may post the video of it at some point but it would be a waste of time editing it. My best score out of 10 at 10m was one hit. One. 1. Bah! I could blame the wind, but it's simply lack of good practice especially with rocks. I've been doing a lot of indoor practice, but with a 23g sock rusty ball and a much shorter sling.

So what's my solution? I think I'm going to try with tennis balls.

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by IronGoober on May 4th, 2021 at 11:09am

Sarosh wrote on May 3rd, 2021 at 11:33am:
How did you beat the forcefield IG? I still can't

:) I think I might have caught the forcefield's maintenance workers on their lunch break.

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by joe_meadmaker on May 4th, 2021 at 3:15pm
GAH!  Just finished another session and got 67% target hit accuracy again.  I almost had it beat but there were some close misses at the end.  I'll put up another video once I break that level.  I'm holding some consistency though.  My last five sessions had the following target hit percentages: 58, 67, 65, 57, 67.

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by Morphy on May 4th, 2021 at 4:16pm

joe_meadmaker wrote on May 4th, 2021 at 3:15pm:
GAH!  Just finished another session and got 67% target hit accuracy again.  I almost had it beat but there were some close misses at the end.  I'll put up another video once I break that level.  I'm holding some consistency though.  My last five sessions had the following target hit percentages: 58, 67, 65, 57, 67.


Were the hit groups relatively close? Ive noticed at times I group much smaller than the target so I could increase my score quite a bit just by lowering the target size. The larger target does give me the occasional out of group hit but lowers my score over all because of the size.

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by IronGoober on May 4th, 2021 at 4:59pm

joe_meadmaker wrote on May 4th, 2021 at 3:15pm:
GAH!  Just finished another session and got 67% target hit accuracy again.  I almost had it beat but there were some close misses at the end.  I'll put up another video once I break that level.  I'm holding some consistency though.  My last five sessions had the following target hit percentages: 58, 67, 65, 57, 67.

I believe in you Joe! If I clap my hands, will that make you score higher? I'll applaud all day if you need it!

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by joe_meadmaker on May 4th, 2021 at 5:40pm
@Morphy - I went through the video of today's session again.  There are at least a few hits close to the edge.

The target I've been using is getting pretty beat up.  Soon I'm going to pull it out and put together a mobile one (same balearic size).  I already have the main board for the target.  Just need to build a frame to hold it up.  Then I'll be able to move it back to 20m which is where I'd rather be practicing.  When I do it, I can also paint a smaller area (maybe 3' X 3') on it for judging more precise slinging rounds.


@IG - I think you need to clap your hands together 3 times and say, "There's no hit like a diana, there's no hit like a diana..."  Or maybe I need to do that.  :D

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by Morphy on May 4th, 2021 at 5:54pm
But all things considered this is really good Joe. Because this sets a concrete level where you are at. You never have to wonder if you are getting better or not because that score tells the real story. Whether tomorrow or ten years from now you can look at your scores from the last couple months and see exactly how you compare to those sessions.

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by Mersa on May 5th, 2021 at 8:08am
https://youtu.be/mk3wfd79tdU

27” dyneema Mersa Sling
12cm disc @10m
Figure 8 style
Various smooth stones

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by Morphy on May 5th, 2021 at 10:07am
27” dyneema Mersa Sling
12cm disc @10m

1000cm / 12 = ADI = 83.3

83.3 x 40% hit rate= Score of 33.3

New Top Score for Freestyle!!! Huge increase. Wow!

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by joe_meadmaker on May 5th, 2021 at 9:49pm
Nice slinging Mersa!

In recent weeks I've been getting a very let's-up-our-game feeling from the forum.  I think it started with your unicorns, followed by some of the other challenges and activities.  Don't know if everyone is getting the vibe.  But it's pretty awesome!  :thumb:

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by Mersa on May 6th, 2021 at 5:38am
Thanks joe
I’ve done some of my best slinging in recent months.

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by czechslinger1.0 on May 6th, 2021 at 5:18pm
I want try to put something together, last time I did some accuracy slinging(like two days ago) was at my 2l bottle from 40m, took me almost 40 throws to hit it that day I felt like god after hitting it :D got as close to hitting it as you can without actually hitting it on several shots, landing those stones just centimeters and milimeters from target(of course majority of stones still went several meters from target). That was I think my most accurate day so far. Such a shame I didn't have my phone with me, hitting Franta felt so easy from 20m after that. I still have some things I want to do before that though. This weekend I will be playing some airsoft finally, so I want to make some gameplay and that will take much more time to edit than slinging video.

Speaking of accuracy, I would also want to see someone hitting man sized target from 100m, if there are any of you who could try it, who are both powerful enough and accurate enough to hit it. I always wanted to see some expert slinger hitting a target from such a distance. I think this would also fit this thread pretty good. Though I think he who dares to try this challenge would need to have god-tier powers!

I am known in my friend group for expressing myself in such a long texts btw ;D

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by IronGoober on May 6th, 2021 at 5:47pm

czechslinger1.0 wrote on May 6th, 2021 at 5:18pm:
Speaking of accuracy, I would also want to see someone hitting man sized target from 100m, if there are any of you who could try it, who are both powerful enough and accurate enough to hit it. I always wanted to see some expert slinger hitting a target from such a distance. I think this would also fit this thread pretty good. Though I think he who dares to try this challenge would need to have god-tier powers!

I would love to try it, but I don't have a decent spot to do it that is nearby. I need to find an area where I can throw stones a long distance. I could probably try 100m at a baseball field and rustyballs, but they just aren't as fun as stones.

And I think we can all relate to feeling like accuracy gods, occasionally.

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by Morphy on May 6th, 2021 at 6:31pm
That does sound quite fun Czech. I would love to bring out the old cannon sling and throw 2 lb stones at pig carcasses to see the damage from 100 m. Bet it still caused crazy amounts of damage.

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by Albion Slinger on May 6th, 2021 at 11:00pm

czechslinger1.0 wrote on May 6th, 2021 at 5:18pm:
Speaking of accuracy, I would also want to see someone hitting man sized target from 100m, if there are any of you who could try it, who are both powerful enough and accurate enough to hit it. I

When I get to practice, I often sling at a rock (a bit bigger than a head) at ~100m but rarely hit it. I don't think a man sized target at 100m would too difficult to hit with lead glandes, but with stones it is a tricky shot. I actually know a good field for such a test, but clay glandes and a specialised long-range sling would be in order. The flatter the trajectory, and the more consistent the ammo, the easier the shot is to make.
I remember watching a short video of Luis slinging at a Balearic target from 70m and hitting it a few times. He would be perfect for such a test if he was available. 

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by IronGoober on May 7th, 2021 at 12:10am

Archaic Arms wrote on May 6th, 2021 at 11:00pm:
I remember watching a short video of Luis slinging at a Balearic target from 70m and hitting it a few times.

Do you have a link to that video? I don't think I've seen that one.

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by Albion Slinger on May 7th, 2021 at 10:12pm

IronGoober wrote on May 7th, 2021 at 12:10am:

Archaic Arms wrote on May 6th, 2021 at 11:00pm:
I remember watching a short video of Luis slinging at a Balearic target from 70m and hitting it a few times.

Do you have a link to that video? I don't think I've seen that one.

I believe I saw it on his Instagram account when I still had it.

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by Sarosh on May 14th, 2021 at 12:12pm
just an observation. there is a small problem with the scoring. I think hitting a 1m target @100m is more difficult than hitting a 10cm @10m. (both awesome)
The way things are there is more incentive for close range and small targets, the difficulty distance adds is a little mismatched with the resulting score.

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by NooneOfConsequence on May 14th, 2021 at 12:25pm

Sarosh wrote on May 14th, 2021 at 12:12pm:
just an observation. there is a small problem with the scoring. I think hitting a 1m target @100m is more difficult than hitting a 10cm @10m. (both awesome)
The way things are there is more incentive for close range and small targets, the difficulty distance adds is a little mismatched with the resulting score.


This is understood, but I would not label it a “problem” so much as a limitation. It would be silly to compare the two examples you give, but the scoring system is wonderful for comparing two slightly different target sizes at 100m and 110m.   As long as the comparisons are close, they don’t have to be exactly the same, and that’s what makes this system valuable.

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by Morphy on May 14th, 2021 at 3:47pm
I think we may have discussed this earlier in the thread but Im too lazy to look. You are correct though.

That being said the purpose of the ADI scoring system is to let everyone target shoot on a level playing field even if they dont have a perfect Balearic target and range. With this way everything out to I would say 25 meters regardless of target size or type can be looked at totally objectively without wondering how one days slinging compares to the next.

If 25 is too much then certainly 20 but I think 25 is pretty safe to include.  Its a very helpful tool though.

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by Mersa on May 14th, 2021 at 4:33pm
I discussed this in private with some forum members.
Area isn’t taken into consideration
Neither is ammo size
But really any distance between 10-30m (like competition) and ammo no larger than tennis ball and it works out in the wash.
I’m surprised how consistent my scores can be . With a few good and bad rounds but pretty good for analysis.

Actually I found that if you are doing an official round (20 uncut throws) you get your score. Let’s say 12.7 points
Well I’ve found that that number almost always gives you a distance that you should consistently be able to keep your groups within a 1 meter diameter. 5/5 shots should be easily achievable at that distance on a 1m circle.

So 20 shots on target at whatever distance
Do the math and get the score
Use score as new distance
Should easily do a 5/5 round at that distance on 1 m circle

Although there’s clear flaws in the scoring it’s actually a really good tool for self improvement

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by Jaegoor on May 14th, 2021 at 4:56pm
Du solltest einmal einen slinger run spielen.

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by Sarosh on May 16th, 2021 at 4:08am

Mersa wrote on May 14th, 2021 at 4:33pm:
I discussed this in private with some forum members.
Area isn’t taken into consideration
Neither is ammo size



the easiest solution for area is to calculate the diameter of the circle with the same area and use that. A stick and disk of the same area are completely different in my opinion so I would stick to squares or disk shaped targets. 

I think ammo size can change the difficulty a lot at short ranges and small targets but with distance the effect will be nullified, that's another reason distance should affect score more even though the  distance/Ø ratio is the same.

The way of scoring as it is, is pretty simple and easy to use I agree.


Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by Morphy on May 16th, 2021 at 7:58am
Gentlemen... I have an important issue that I feel can no longer be ignored...

The top "Official" score is 14.2, attained by our most venerable and prestigious Jaegoor. Now, this is a good score. But, this is also Slinging.Org.

We have quite an assortment of slingers here. Are we all happy with that score being the best we can post? Jaegoor, are you happy with that score???

I challenge you all to go and destroy that score. 14.2 is good but it can be even higher!

Men, Women, Children, go forth and beat that score! Yada yada yada. some additional motivating phrases. Blah blah. Ok. Get to it!!!  :D

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by Albion Slinger on May 17th, 2021 at 1:03am
I plan on making a 20m video with my 'diana' target, but then stuff like this happens repeatedly:
https://youtu.be/S6DSgMjLxNs
How do you adjust the sights on a sling again?

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by Albion Slinger on May 17th, 2021 at 1:27am
Upon reviewing the full video, hypothetically if the target had been to the left slightly then out out 20 shots I would have got at least 15 points, and with all 24 shots I would have got at least 21 points (last three were all diana's). A good number of the misses were abysmal and I had more than usual, so I would definitely would not consider it my best slinging...
Going to revisit this soon. 

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by joe_meadmaker on May 17th, 2021 at 8:32am

Morphy wrote on May 16th, 2021 at 7:58am:
The top "Official" score is 14.2, attained by our most venerable and prestigious Jaegoor.

WHAT??  I thought this was like golf and a lower score was better!  ;)

I've done a few more rounds but haven't topped my best accuracy yet.  The last couple rounds I actually dropped off a bit so I've taken a break from it.  I'll be getting back to this soon.


@Albion - Good slinging man!  I've also had times with the "consistent miss".  Very frustrating.

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by Morphy on May 17th, 2021 at 8:43am
Oh shoot then if thats the case Joe Im sitting pretty at my ADI of zero!!!

Albion, you got the grouping down man. Thats the hard part. Next time you are grouping to the left like that note your foot and body position then with each shot start with your stance a little to the right until the grouping comes on target.

A sling throw can be tuned to change POI just like bows or guns can be tuned. You can also use slightly heavier stones or focus on pulling into the powerstroke slightly before your current point.

The easiest to see instant results though would be to alter your stance. Try it, its pretty amazing how fast the groups will edge over to the target.

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by joe_meadmaker on May 17th, 2021 at 8:51am

Morphy wrote on May 17th, 2021 at 8:43am:
Oh shoot then if thats the case Joe Im sitting pretty at my ADI of zero!!!

;D

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by Sarosh on May 20th, 2021 at 6:38am
https://youtu.be/GfjCYL-GTRU
I finally did a 33%*

*P.S.: correction it's not 33% but 30% I also corrected the title. 1/3 is not equal to 3/10  :-X

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by IronGoober on May 20th, 2021 at 10:46am
Yeah! Nice! And you averaged above 1 hit per round overall. You are seriously dialing that s#&! in. And with stones nonetheless.

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by joe_meadmaker on May 20th, 2021 at 2:08pm
Really nice slinging!  :thumb:

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by NooneOfConsequence on May 20th, 2021 at 9:09pm
Amazing groups Sarosh!

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by Sarosh on May 21st, 2021 at 12:41pm
I want MORE!  >:(
Thanks guys
I'm dreaming of a 60% rate like IG's  :D

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by Morphy on May 22nd, 2021 at 8:35am
As usual excellent slinging Sarosh. As soon as station duties is over Ill have to go through and redo the weekly/biweekly score postings.

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by NooneOfConsequence on Oct 28th, 2021 at 2:17pm
Well, It's been a while since we did this scoring thing, but I've been slinging a lot in the past few months, and  I wanted to revisit this.  I thought I'd recalculate based on the Danger Goods target I was playing with today (https://youtu.be/o67g8mo9Gk4). ; The yellow ring is 20" across... i.e. 50cm like a Diana.  The distance was 10m.  I only took 6 shots, but 4/6 hit in the yellow. 

1000/50*0.667 = 13.34

That's a slight improvement from my previous score of ~7

Did I calculate that right Morphy?

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by Morphy on Oct 28th, 2021 at 9:07pm
Because Im tired and because I know your capable of that score either way Im just going to say yes and go with it lol. I need to do a more thorough look into where we are at on this max scoring thread. Maybe see where what we have as max accuracy correlates with the scores in Ibizia.

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by Morphy on Nov 15th, 2021 at 9:20am

Morphy wrote on May 22nd, 2021 at 8:35am:
As usual excellent slinging Sarosh. As soon as station duties is over Ill have to go through and redo the weekly/biweekly score postings.


My goodness those were long station duties. Ok, 6 months have passed and from what I know of some of the members here you’ve been continually pushing the limits.

So to refresh your memories here is the current score chart:

(O) Joe - 9

(F) IronGoober - 19.7

(F) Tombelaine - 13.2

(O) NOOC - 13.34

*(O) Jaegoor - 14.2

(F) PracticalParacord - 18

*(F) Mersa - 33.3


So currently Jaegoor holds the record for the highest Official ADI. Makes sense since hes a world champ right?  ;)

And our own Mersa crushed the frestyle division and God help anyone who tries to beat that score. Yeesh.  ;D

——————————————————————————————————-

Ok so moving forward… Two questions for you:

1. Have we done enough scoring to legitimately give us at least an idea about what score should constitute each level? I brought this up on the other ranking thread but I want to repeat it here as well.

2. If the above is “yes” then of course -what scores would constitute the various levels, ranks etc?

I’ll point out one thing and then the floor is yours. The difficulty I think is being forward thinking enough in the scores so that the system doesn’t become immediately obosolete.  For example,  consider how much the freestyle score increased in such a short time. My thought is that for a score to be Master level its going to have to really almost seem absurdly high to us right now. This will also give more meaning to each rank. It will be something you work toward for a year or two rather than a session or two. Getting the title of Master will actually be quite a big deal.

But anyways, these are my thoughts and yours are frankly much more interesting to me. So what say you guys? I’m all ears.  :D


Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by Archaic Arms on Nov 15th, 2021 at 10:28am

Morphy wrote on Nov 15th, 2021 at 9:20am:
Getting the title of Master will actually be quite a big deal.

Diana at 50m is an ADI of 100
If you had 10 shots, and got 10 hits, your definitely a master.  ;)
I'll have a ponder.
Master rank - angle of fruit-bat at 60yds?

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by IronGoober on Nov 15th, 2021 at 11:11am

Archaic Arms wrote on Nov 15th, 2021 at 10:28am:
angle of fruit-bat at 60yds?

About 30 cm across from what I've heard. So, 5500/30 is ~183.   Multiplied by the probability you need of 3/5 , 183 * (0.6) = ~110

100 seems reasonable.

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by Morphy on Nov 16th, 2021 at 7:06am

Archaic Arms wrote on Nov 15th, 2021 at 10:28am:

Morphy wrote on Nov 15th, 2021 at 9:20am:
Getting the title of Master will actually be quite a big deal.

Diana at 50m is an ADI of 100
If you had 10 shots, and got 10 hits, your definitely a master.  ;)
I'll have a ponder.
Master rank - angle of fruit-bat at 60yds?


I like that it alludes back to historical accounts of the slingers hitting fruit bats. 10/10 at 50 is definitely suitably difficult. Not likely people are going to out do that any time soon. Perhaps we could make 10/10 shots with 100 ADI the prerequisite with 25m being the minimum distance. That might make it easier to take part for those who cant easily practice at 50m.

Of course the lower distance would make it a bit easier as well so hmm. Its up for debate I guess. 100 is a good round number though.

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by Archaic Arms on Nov 29th, 2021 at 7:05am

Morphy wrote on Nov 16th, 2021 at 7:06am:
I like that it alludes back to historical accounts of the slingers hitting fruit bats. 10/10 at 50 is definitely suitably difficult. Not likely people are going to out do that any time soon. Perhaps we could make 10/10 shots with 100 ADI the prerequisite with 25m being the minimum distance. That might make it easier to take part for those who cant easily practice at 50m.

Of course the lower distance would make it a bit easier as well so hmm. Its up for debate I guess. 100 is a good round number though.

Yes, 10/10 with ADI 100 would be a good top-level rank. Regarding the distances, I think the distance requirement could increase with the rank. Say if your a Novice rank, you can do 10m, but in order to become a Beginner the distance requirement ups to 20m. etc.

Say with 10 ranks (for example, Novice < Beginner < Apprentice < Journeyman < Competent < Adept < Proficient < Expert < Master < Hero) you can then have 10 different distance requirements, getting further with each successive rank.
This should make it easier for less experienced people to get a rank, but make it more challenging/rewarding for more experienced slingers.



Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by Morphy on Nov 29th, 2021 at 8:55am
Warning: long reply

Ok I like this idea over all. This could be the beginning of something. This is exactly why the ADI was set up; for someone else to come along and plug these numbers into an actual ranking system where the ranks aren’t just random guesses of skill levels.

So the distance, while it would limit some people like city dwellers, I can see why it might be necessary. Spin drift is a good indicator of an imperfect throw. I know this because I’ve dealt with spin drift issues personally and after fixing it there is a huge difference in accuracy at distance and retention of speed down range. No master can have poor spin and be at that rank. It wouldnt make sense. A master has to typify perfect slinging. Yet spin drift only really plays a major role at approx. 25-40 meters (depending on the size and density of the ammo and the amount of spin and angle of attack) So long range shots play a bigger role here than simply making things difficult for difficulties sake.

10 ranks is perfect in my estimation. As with belt systems in martial arts it gives a quick feeling of accomplishment early on that slows with each additional rank. A graduated system of difficulty.

One issue I think we need to look at and this is open to everyone, please feel free to give your input, is this:  ADI struggles to retain relevance with massive increases in distance. So ADI 100 at 100 meters is not just twice as hard as ADI 100 at 50 meters. Multiple different cross winds, aiming so high off the target that you have nothing but blue sky to reference, the increased power needed all increase the difficulty above what the number would suggest. So should we adjust the target size to reflect this? It will still be ridiculously difficult but it will stay in line with the intended effect of an increase of 10 adi per level. If no is the consensus that’s fine. But this is something that needs to be mentioned I feel.

And lastly should we consider reevaluating the top skill levels? Jaegoor right now is a former World Champ and his score here is  ADI 14.2 with 17 hits out of 20 throws at 20 ms on a 4ft/120 cm square.

I would hate to have the top levels be so high that they essentially become a joke. I think as slingers we will see big increases in max skill levels in the coming decades as people begin to find new techniques that greatly increase consistency. We know this looking at pretty much every other sport. But going from 14.2 at 20 meters to 100% accuracy over 10 shots at 100 meters might be too much to ask of anyone.

Ok, long post, but hopefully thought provoking. Please feel free add your own thoughts, constructive criticism, etc. Thanks.  ;)

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by Archaic Arms on Nov 29th, 2021 at 9:21am

Morphy wrote on Nov 29th, 2021 at 8:55am:
But going from 14.2 at 20 meters to 100% accuracy over 10 shots at 100 meters might be too much to ask of anyone.

In hindsight, 5m increase per rank would perhaps be better.

Keeping the target the same size, for each increasing rank, both the distance and score requirements should increase. i.e 5 points at 5m, 10 points at 10m, etc (again, everything is up for debate).
The difficulty would not increase linearly, but I don't think that's a problem. (Using ADI system)

I agree, the top levels still have to be humanly possible, to not be a joke, but I still think that several hits (debatable how many) at ADI 100, would satisfactorily justify the top rank.
One other thought regarding the ranking system is that stars could be used in conjunction with the names. For example: NOVICE *, BEGINNER **, APPRENTICE ***, and so on. This would make the system much easier to see and understand, and would look nice on a shirt (if it goes that far).




I'll ponder some more...

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by Morphy on Nov 29th, 2021 at 11:06am
ADI 100 could work. It reminds me of Korean Traditional Archery where the target is set at 145ms and the day a person lands all 5 arrows on the target is considered a great feat and doesnt happen very often at all.

I agree that 5m increments would still present a suitable challenge. You will still need proper spin control at that distance. So 50 would be the top distance? Thats still a very challenging distance. I used to practice daily at 40 so yes 50 would definitely be master level based on what I experienced.

How are we doing the point system? What do you have in mind? Is it one hit per point? Is this a typical Balearic target with Quattro and Diana 1 and 2 point system? 

Lastly I love the idea of stars near the name. What do you think about using something like ^ for the 1st 5 and stars for the second 5? That way you wouldnt have to count out everyones stars that has a lot of stars. It would be instantly apparent where they are. Anyways just a thought.

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by Archaic Arms on Nov 29th, 2021 at 5:31pm
Okay, here's what I've come up with...
(The target is the 50cm Balearic Diana, without the board)

NOVICE I                    2/10 HITS, at 5M
BEGINNER II              2/10 HITS, at 10M
APPRENTICE III         3/10 HITS, at 15M
JOURNEYMAN IV        4/10 HITS, at 20M
COMPETANT V            5/10 HITS, at 25M
ADEPT VI                   6/10 HITS, at 30M
PROFICIENT VII         7/10 HITS, at 35M
EXPERT VII                8/10 HITS, at 40M
ACE IX                      9/10 HITS, at 45M
MASTER X               10/10 HITS, at 50M

(Keep in mind the names and numbers are not set in stone at all)

I think a lot of people would feel satisfied being able to rise a few ranks, with the top ranks representing an a great level of skill, while still being realistic.

I like your suggestion Morphy regarding the stars, but an alternative could be Roman numerals, which achieve the same but with a different elegance.

On a slightly different note,
I did read somewhere that in the Balearics during the old days, they used to sling at the diana + board target from 60m, but in recent times they halved the distance.


Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by Mersa on Nov 29th, 2021 at 8:41pm
Ok I like what’s happening here however there are some traits in this scoring system that need to be addressed.

Firstly ammo. Taking into consideration that everything else is basically standardised I think ammo should be. Or at least discussed. Hitting 10/10 Diana’s @ 50m is impressive regardless of ammo. But I do think that hitting 5/10 @ 25 some ammo is going to be easier than others.
I think that ammo size must be restricted to a maximum of tennis ball diameter.

Also this ranking system really isn’t going to be favoured by certain people. Those without space to throw rocks @50m will have little hope of ever getting in practice for longer distances. I think the system is favoured to people that have space . I can’t see kick or nooc getting enough practice in at those distances but both I consider good slingers.

Also a jump in distance and Diana’s at the same time kinda accelerated the grade. So each step is actually bigger than it seems .

All in all I kinda like where it’s headed but I still feel Morphy’s original 20 throw with minimum 4 hits on target has more “proof” of a Slingers ability. 10 throws on a standardised target size is actually much better for days when your in the zone .

Judging myself against the current grades I doubt I’m even a level 5 . At least not every day .

I think a normal score of 10 throws on a baleric target shows enough in a Slingers skill. I average around 10 points at13m with my best scores around 17 .  A perfect 10/10 Diana’s in a real round is difficult even close range .

Also I feel graded are kinda pointless at this stage of slinging. Just because the sport has such a small community I think those who film and show their slinging are probably known by the others in tho community anyway and we all probably grade ourselves against each other anyway in some way.

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by Morphy on Nov 29th, 2021 at 11:59pm
Ok some good points on both posts. We have two different view points here. I think we need more people to see this and give their opinions.

I totally get the long range question but I think this could be said with most hard to achieve goals. A black belt in BJJ requires many years of sacrifice in time, money, blood, sweat and injuries. But people that want the title bad enough eventually get it. People practicing to get their Grandmaster in chess typically spend 10 hours a day every day practicing and studying.

So actually I think any title of Master is only as desirable as it is difficult to get. I hate the idea of excluding anyone but I think this concept of difficulty to desirability is pretty universal.

I understand where you are coming from with the 10/10 hits at 50 Mersa Im not sure what I think yet. I almost think i need to hear more viewpoints to gauge the consensus. I do think there is a real danger of us setting the bar too low but Im not sure where that sweet spot is either. This is, imo, *the* question that should require a big consensus. So long as people can be really forward thinking. This system isnt just for now. Its for decades from now ideally.

All in all the system laid out by AA is very well thought out. I personally would love to hear more opposing viewpoints and see what the over all consensus is.

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by Archaic Arms on Nov 30th, 2021 at 9:24am

Mersa wrote on Nov 29th, 2021 at 8:41pm:
Firstly ammo. Taking into consideration that everything else is basically standardised I think ammo should be. Or at least discussed. Hitting 10/10 Diana’s @ 50m is impressive regardless of ammo. But I do think that hitting 5/10 @ 25 some ammo is going to be easier than others.
I think that ammo size must be restricted to a maximum of tennis ball diameter.

I agree, there are areas of consideration that haven't yet been fully discussed, and this one of them. My opinion is that any 'live' ammo should be valid i.e stones, clay, lead.


Mersa wrote on Nov 29th, 2021 at 8:41pm:
Also a jump in distance and Diana’s at the same time kinda accelerated the grade. So each step is actually bigger than it seems .

This is also for a reason, as I think it should be rewarding to both newcomers and very experienced slingers. The very experienced slingers not being warded off by the necessary
dedication and determination, required to get the higher ranks. The more invested you become in something, the harder you fight for it. Like Morphy said, it shouldn't be at all easy to get to the top.
Hence why so many games make each successive level significantly longer/more difficult to achieve. Not linear by any means.

Mersa wrote on Nov 29th, 2021 at 8:41pm:
All in all I kinda like where it’s headed but I still feel Morphy’s original 20 throw with minimum 4 hits on target has more “proof” of a Slingers ability. 10 throws on a standardised target size is actually much better for days when your in the zone .

My policy is that by all means you can cherry pick those 10 shots, but if everyone is allowed to, then it balances itself out. Only skill will get you forward ultimately.

Mersa wrote on Nov 29th, 2021 at 8:41pm:
Judging myself against the current grades I doubt I’m even a level 5 . At least not every day

5 is very good by todays standard, but if we made that an expert rank, where's the room for improvement as slinging grows and standards get higher?


Mersa wrote on Nov 29th, 2021 at 8:41pm:
Also I feel graded are kinda pointless at this stage of slinging. Just because the sport has such a small community I think those who film and show their slinging are probably known by the others in tho community anyway and we all probably grade ourselves against each other anyway in some way.

Yes the community is small, but it's quickly growing and I think it's better to have something well established to help things along the way. I think it would also add a bit of extra fun and friendly competition as well, for people of all skill levels. This is what Hallofo (newcomer) said in the other thread regarding a ranking system:
" Hi all,
New-to-slinging person here. I just wanted to chime in and express my support of this scoring/ranking system. As I begin my journey, I look forward to seeing how I improve and develop!"

I think this sentiment is/would probably be more common than we like to think.

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by Archaic Arms on Nov 30th, 2021 at 9:28am
Just thought I'd throw this out there too...
Three more potential names, which could be added or used in the place of others.
CHAMPION
HERO
LEGEND
::)
Perhaps the context has also shifted such that this discussion should be moved in the "New Ranking System" thread instead? https://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1636466610/45

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by NooneOfConsequence on Nov 30th, 2021 at 9:51am
I think any labels for ranks come with language barriers and unnecessary arguments about which labels are better for which ranks. Instead of arbitrary labels with an absolute ceiling on performance, I would prefer a numerical system where there is no absolute ceiling… the higher the number, the better the slinger did on the test, and leave it at that.

Even better if the test is designed to minimalize luck so the rank is indicative of the slinger’s regular performance.

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by IronGoober on Nov 30th, 2021 at 1:11pm
I like the idea of a numbering system over named levels, as long as the number is somehow included in the rank, the names could be anything, "I Snail", "II Turkey" "III Thumbtack" :)

But as far as the requirements, I like what has been discussed so far. Making the top level hard to achieve even for people of a skill from historical accounts seems reasonable to me. I don't mind chasing the impossible dream of becoming accurate with a sling.

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by Archaic Arms on Nov 30th, 2021 at 2:41pm

IronGoober wrote on Nov 30th, 2021 at 1:11pm:
I like the idea of a numbering system over named levels, as long as the number is somehow included in the rank, the names could be anything, "I Snail", "II Turkey" "III Thumbtack" :)

But as far as the requirements, I like what has been discussed so far. Making the top level hard to achieve even for people of a skill from historical accounts seems reasonable to me. I don't mind chasing the impossible dream of becoming accurate with a sling.



NooneOfConsequence wrote on Nov 30th, 2021 at 9:51am:
I think any labels for ranks come with language barriers and unnecessary arguments about which labels are better for which ranks. Instead of arbitrary labels with an absolute ceiling on performance, I would prefer a numerical system where there is no absolute ceiling… the higher the number, the better the slinger did on the test, and leave it at that.


I'm content with doing away with any names if that is the general consensus. Lvl.I, Lvl.II, Lvl.III etc. would work just the same, and avoid language barriers.
Theoretically if people became truly exceptional, the system could accommodate levels above 10, but I don't think that would ever become a real concern. (due to how difficult Lvl.X is)

Title: Re: Max Accuracy Scoring Thread
Post by Morphy on Nov 30th, 2021 at 3:52pm

NooneOfConsequence wrote on Nov 30th, 2021 at 9:51am:
Even better if the test is designed to minimalize luck so the rank is indicative of the slinger’s regular performance.


This is essential I think. This is one reason I advocate for doing it multiple times over multiple sessions within the same week.

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