This is by far my most difficult challenge
The bottle cap challenge
I’m not aware if it’s been done by Jaegoor but I’ll be happy to see his take if he has.
No lies took be a lot of attempts.
I’m guessing around 1000-1200 just going off the time I spent.
I spent Friday-Friday with 1-2 sessions a day. 1week and about 10-12hours of “training”
Last 2 days was best groups of my life.
I stopped counting bottle hits.
Hitting the cap wasn’t enough
Setups changed
So did distance
Shots are all over 10m except aerial shots
Some far as 25m.

Hopefully you enjoy it wasa very hard task but I got it good on film finally, bonus clip is just ridiculous.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wwYsEv2yyzY

Please comment or ask any questions



Gold star award wining post
http://slinging.org/forum/yabbfiles/Attachments/goldstar.JPG

It's a pretty remarkable shot. But the award is actually for the sheer dedication, perseverance and stamina put in to eventually make the shot :-)
Well done !

Probably the best shot Ive ever seen! Bravo!!!

I don't have a public video of this.  I think we talked about it here once.  I've eaten this before.  😁 But the challenge is that the bottle stands.  😁.  It is possible.  I've already done it.  You have to shoot sidehand and then spin the ball backwards.  I can only make a video about it after Easter.  I have a lot of work at the moment.  😁 At Easter there is a new video from me.  It's already done.  But it won't be public until Easter.  😁

Mersa,
Congratulations, and thank you, an inspirational video.

Cheers

Zud👍

Congrats Mersa!  Thanks for sharing not only the success but also the journey to get there!

@jaegoor that would be really cool to see you copy Mersa’s trick shot.

Damn nice!

Incredible stuff. Truly showing what can be done. Yes, it took a lot of attempts, but the fact you had so many close calls just shows how amazingly accurate you are. C_A, give this man a gold star!

Kick wrote on Mar 25^th, 2021 at 10:09am:

Incredible stuff. Truly showing what can be done. Yes, it took a lot of attempts, but the fact you had so many close calls just shows how amazingly accurate you are. C_A, give this man a gold star!

+1

Holy moly dude!  :o
I don't even know where to start.

Awesome hit!  Many attempts, but when it's a throw that you literally can't miss by 1mm (otherwise you miss), that's just going to happen.  Great display of perseverance and skill!

Aside from the hit itself, that video was great.  You, or whoever put that together, did a great job!  Kudos!

Two questions.  How much was that cap screwed on, quarter turn or so?  And what were you throwing?  I would guess something will a little grip to the texture.

And last, I worry you're going down a skill path that I won't be able to follow.  But I'm sure as heck going to have fun trying.  ;)

Thank you  for using that very aesthetic style.

AncientCraftwork wrote on Mar 25^th, 2021 at 11:57am:

Thank you  for using that very aesthetic style.

;D

Thanks all !!!
To answer your questions joe .
Yeah it’s a hard shot for sure and I make no attempt to lie and say it was easy or lie about attempting it so many times.
I thought hitting the cap was going to be enough, I thought there was a pretty big windo of “success” turns out not so much. I didn’t post every cap hit I did , I didn’t even begin to post the bottle hits.

So I used a rubber ball , my rubber ball I’ve been using for years in practice, it’s part of the reason it wasn’t working. It only weighs around 30g and is reasonably slippery o few shots were good but not enough grip. If we used something like a rusty ball I think it would have happened earlier. More momentum holding its line and more grippy and elongated not a sphere.

As for how tight the cap was that varies throughout the video. I started with it full down and just backed off but I had a pretty hard direct hit and it didn’t budge so I started backing it off more. The clip where I pop the cap but I’m not happy with footage could have been the loosest it was. Partial reasoning that I kept going and didn’t claim it . The clip where I actually do it it’s upside down and it’s not dripping, its not fully down but it’s not just sitting there, I wouldn’t be exactly sure how many turns/ partial turns it was backed off.

If I was to redo the challenge I think I’d find a better spot, a better ammo and a better bottle and cap. But seeing as I started with the coke I thought I may as well finish with it. But to be honest I probably won’t try it again even if it doesn’t count because it’s not standing

I have a few ideas for my next trickshot but I’m gonna take a short break and the next ideas all require a little bit more planning in the setup and filming.

Great training tool. Wasn’t throwing full power but accuracy was as good as ever. It’s nice using consistent ammo, better than random rocks ha ha

My ball was white and green when I started, the backstop is thick black rubber . My ball is now camouflage

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Wasn’t expecting to get this done today

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pywRbIlzOoM

Ist dir aber gelungen. 😁

The force is strong with this one.

Excellent shot!  And idea.  I thought about throwing through a ring before.  That was a whole other level.

Incredible shot. Mersa is destroying these challenges.

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We are NOT wor theeee  !

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Your wild zud

I used to be wild, even Barnaby !

I have calmed down a lot but when I say inspirational to the likes of you and Jaegoor it's heartfelt.
Thanks.
Cheers
Zud👍

Oh, btw, the cat is Arry.
He is considering adopting me.

Gentlemen,

Here is a recreation of Mersa's masterpiece. Not quite as well put together of a video, but I was able to at least complete the shot.

https://youtu.be/3m1IsVCD3cY

So, I actually ended up doing this shot 2 times. The first time was actually an "accident" as I was aiming at the left side of the bottlecap instead of the right (and hit it 2 times!, just tightening the lid, not realizing it was my hit that did it) and hit the right.   I didn't think it counted, since the aiming point wasn't intentional (even though the end result was intentional).  So this is video of the time it actually counted! It took 2 days to complete, probably 200-250 shots total to get it. I destroyed 3 bottle lids, they just burst when I would hit the bottle on accident.

Also, using a 160g rusty ball is WAY easier than using a small 30g rubber ball. Kudos to Mersa. I would have been at this for a few more days, I think, using his ammo.

Here is the "failed" attempt

https://youtu.be/M33HQEiTudg

Cool 😎

Now do the one were you light a matchstick.

@Slyngorm That is on the list :)

Extinguish a burning candle 🕯.

Great shooting IG! You and Mersa have really taken this to the next level!

;D ;D ;D

Excellent throw IG!  I love the different approaches.  Mersa's was a delicate hit that just grazed the cap.  Yours really gave it a good punch.  Awesome!

Amazing stuff, knowing how hard of a time I had with this shot I must say IG made it look easy.
Getting it done 2 times , within 2 days is super impressive.

I personally think IG is one of the best slingers on here.

Throws accurately and has a powerful shot.
His pumpkin video, his egg video, his hourglass and his bottle cap all show how good he is.

He’s a scary competitor if he gets to the international.

Candle.... I’m in I think , should be a pretty doable shot . Does it need to touch the wick or just blow it out .

Match lighting would be amazing with a strike anywhere match ,just grazing the head without breaking the match and getting it to light. That’s gotta be worth a gold star. I unfortunately can’t get strike anywhere matches in Australia and even then it’s probably outside my skill set , that’s a super fine accuracy shot , perhaps the hardest of all shots without pushing distances back.

Just getting a match to light would be cool enough, perhaps some more technical setups that slow you to strike the match on the box , who knows , but I got a feeling that with a little push IG could get it done.

Great stuff again IG
Your smashing these challenges

And technically the shot through the hole into the camera is basically a deathstar swish 

I repeat, ( without pictures)

WE ARE NOT WOOORRRRTHHHEE !

xud9a - call me zud 👍 wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 7:56pm:

I repeat, ( without pictures) WE ARE NOT WOOORRRRTHHHEE !

These guys have gotten so good over the years. I can honestly.say I dont know who I think is the best anymore.  Too many slingers so close to another in skill to decide anymore. When are we getting a video of the whip sling Zud? Cant wait man.

I was lucky enough to pick up a new (to me) laptop yesterday.
It appears to have some sort of video maker in it.
Only problem is it's an android camera phone and a Windows laptop.
I have had some joy with blender so will keep plugging away at it.
Cheers.
Zud👍

If you want some help, I do most of my challenge videos in Blender. Render settings are a huge pain, but I can show you what works for me.

Thanks so much NoC. Will pm you later. Cheers.

As requested

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0xDKR5UXxNg

That one looks to have been pretty easy after those other two!  Excellent throw my man!  :thumb:

Once I get to it, I'm going to have a heck of a time getting all these hits.  :D

Thanks joe.
I don’t need to lie , the film is for dramatic effect. It took 23 attempts but yeah much easier than the bottle cap and the hourglass. The throw through the foot long pipe was crazy, I was thinking it wasn’t possible. Not sure how much of that was luck .

A nice shot.  Now you know how it works.  Here is the increase.  How many candles can you make in a row?  With ten shots.  How many candles can you put out?

How close can I put the 10 candles ;)

Try it.  My experience.  If the candles are too close, the temperature will be too high.  It's harder to erase.  😂

Mersa wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 7:24pm:

can’t get strike anywhere matches in Australia

Simple.
Cover your ball in matchbox striking surface.

We have thought of that but even then the strike rate is low . Not to mention the difficulty of the shot.

Just saw I got a gold star !!!! Woooo
Thanks Everyone!!!

If this thread doesnt deserve one I dont know what does.  ;D

damn impressive from ig and mersa !

Although why a unicorn post ?
Unicorns are mythhical beasts you don't see.

These are phenomenal trick shots that we can all see :-)


As far as translating into competition scores - possibly, probably not :-)

Once you throw in the heckling, noise, double and occasionally treble  the distance and people slinging either side of you and having to keep an eye out for the sideways throws that stiff balearic slings make common place.
It's a whole different ballgame.

Also while you can use clay ammo - rusty balls are not allowed and you usually end up with the dregs of stones that are all that's left after the good stones were all broken during practice.

There are very good reasons why balearic scoring is so consistently low.

Alex.  Actually only natural stones are allowed.  Clay is tolerated.  Figure 8 is also not allowed according to the rules.  The problem is that you can no longer collect stones in the Balearic Islands.  Conservation Rusty balls would be very good ammunition.  I just need a smooth wall as a background.  Or ammunition is imported from Norway.  There are stones here that remain undestroyed for much longer.  I'm looking for stones on the Baltic Sea.  I've been shooting the best stones for years.

yeah the balearic rules seriously need to be updated.

What are you doing in norway ?

It comes from a previous post.
Where I said I was trying to do trickshots like Jaegoor.
I was Chasing Jaegoor.
I was chasing the unicorn of slinging.
The mythical slinger.

As for international comp.
I have horrible target panic, I fold pretty hard under pressure, so me personally, I don’t expect I’d do very well. On the right day I could get a competitive score but I doubt it’s going to happen my first time with other slingers at an international championship  ;D

Jaegoor wrote on Mar 31^st, 2021 at 8:06am:

I'm looking for stones on the Baltic Sea.

Definitely the best place for finding good sling stones. Finland has fantastic granite stones that look like they were made for slinging. Almost impossible to break them.

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Those stones look indestructible!

With regards to the competitions, I have no idea how well I'd perform if I went. I'd be nervous but also excited. My accuracy would be either amazing or absolutely horrid.

I don't think the Balearic rules need to be renewed.  These rules are very good.  I am sure that many international ones do not even know these rules.  I find it presumptuous to say from outside that these rules are bad.  Because they are not.  Personally, I don't like the international tournament development.  Everyone does what they want.  In which sport do you find such a thing?  Maybe the competitions will be split up.  Hunting shooting and shooting the Balearic way. So on a diane.  Hunting shooting could be done on animal siluettes.  Works with Atlatl too.  Ten years ago I proposed a system with colored t-shirts.  Like colored belts in martial arts.  That would be a really good international system.  You just have to do it once.  This system would also be applicable to slinging org.  It would finally take this sport to a serious level.

Jaegoor wrote on Mar 31^st, 2021 at 10:37am:

Ten years ago I proposed a system with colored t-shirts.  Like colored belts in martial arts.  That would be a really good international system.  You just have to do it once.  This system would also be applicable to slinging org.  It would finally take this sport to a serious level.

Is this still being used? I think it's a good proposal.

Kick wrote on Mar 31^st, 2021 at 9:55am:

Definitely the best place for finding good sling stones. Finland has fantastic granite stones that look like they were made for slinging. Almost impossible to break them.

Those stones look great! I remember finding a smooth granite stone when I was in England a few months ago and I knew just by holding it that it had special powers. ;D
The stones here explode into a million pieces  :-/
There are limestone and metamorphic rocks with seemingly high quartzite. The solid quartzite stones behave similarly.   

There are pros and cons in the Balearic Islands.  Some can imagine that and also see the point.  But many do not want it.  Your clubs have their own logos.  But these would not change either.  Hubert probably doesn't like it either.  But I don't know for sure.  This rule has worked very well in my group.  It works just like martial arts.  The colors are white, yellow, red, brown and black.

Potkia.  On punainen graniitti.  Tämä tulee todennäköisesti Norjasta.  En tiedä, onko tätä saatavana myös Suomessa.  Tämän kiven murtaminen on melkein mahdotonta.  Kolmen vuoden aikana rikkoin yhden.  Talvella voimakkaiden myrskyjen jälkeen näitä kiviä löytyy Itämeren rannoilta.  Aion 300 km löytää hänet.  Mutta se on sen arvoista.  Olin kerran Norjassa viikinkitapahtumassa.  Siellä oli lahti.  Siellä oli vain näitä kiviä.  Koko ranta täynnä.  Kuten ibizalla.  Se oli slingerin unelma.

Kick.  There is a red granite.  This probably comes from Norway.  I don't know whether this is also available in Finland.  Breaking this stone is almost impossible.  In three years I broke one.  After heavy storms in winter, these stones can be found on the beaches of the Baltic Sea.  I drive 300km to find her.  But it's worth it.  I was once in Norway at a viking event.  There was a bay there.  There were only these stones there.  A whole beach full.  Like on ibiza.  It was a slinger's dream.

Mersa wrote on Mar 31^st, 2021 at 8:51am:

It comes from a previous post. Where I said I was trying to do trickshots like Jaegoor. I was Chasing Jaegoor. I was chasing the unicorn of slinging. The mythical slinger. As for international comp. I have horrible target panic, I fold pretty hard under pressure, so me personally, I don’t expect I’d do very well. On the right day I could get a competitive score but I doubt it’s going to happen my first time with other slingers at an international championship  ;D

And myself as well. Its a hell of a lot of pressure. Especially for first timers. I give credit to all those who have gone and tried. I feel sure I would embarrass myself but it sure would be fun.

Jaegoor wrote on Mar 31^st, 2021 at 11:15am:

There are pros and cons in the Balearic Islands.  Some can imagine that and also see the point.  But many do not want it.  Your clubs have their own logos.  But these would not change either.  Hubert probably doesn't like it either.  But I don't know for sure.  This rule has worked very well in my group.  It works just like martial arts.  The colors are white, yellow, red, brown and black.

What are the qualifications for each category?
I could definitely see this system taking off if there were more slinging competitions going on around the world.

;)

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Jaegoor wrote on Mar 31^st, 2021 at 11:24am:

There is a red granite.

Yeah there is a lot of red granite here. The stones at the top and the bottom in the picture are definitely red granite. The others I'm not sure about but they are definitely similar to granite if they aren't granite. The only stone I've broken on a target was at the competition and then I chipped a stone on another stone that was already on the ground. One stone split apart but that was some slate-like type of stone and very weak.

I mean this

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Yeah I have stones that look the same.

Even luis didn't manage to destroy it.

I think a system to denote proficiency is ingenious. Good idea Jaegoor! A standardized system used all across the board by all slingers would be amazing.

Grades might be a little high,
Throw 400 and 500 m , that’s gonna hold a lot of people back for sure.

Some of the rules are weird in my opinion. I guess some are trying to preserve tradition and that’s fair. Maybe a different set of rules for a different class. Just like archery has longbow, barebow and Olympic recurve. And the rules around equipment and technique.

Figure 8 is like the string walking of slinging.
Most traditionalist hate it, it’s not necessarily the most efficient in the field, but yep it works, and some people make it work well.

I think using mainly Byzantine and figure 8 styles and a dyneema sling I’m basically the guy the rules wanna keep out ha ha

The distance of 500 m is easy.  You have five shots for it.  So 5x100, that's easy to manage.  The rule of the Balearic Islands says you have to turn the sling three times.  It may be that other things also work.  But in this way they all have the same conditions.

Ahhh I see I thought you had 5 shots to make 1 throw over 500m. That’s very achievable

Banning certain styles makes zero sense. If a style is ineffective it will naturally fall out of favor. In the same way that MMA has made it very clear what does and doesnt work slinging competitions should be open to whatever style. If someone wants to travel a thousand miles to take part in a competition and throw with a poor style he will fail and less people will want to use it in the future.

Ive never heard a good arugment for limiting styles. Ammo could be as simple as stone, clay, concrete etc. No culture has claim to the sling. Not every culture used stones and none used rusty balls. Just ban metal and other such ammo and that leaves slinging open to the maximum amount of people, includinf poorer people without access to rusty balls and a gymnasium.

One of the reasons Soccer/Futbol is so popular is because all it takes is a ball and an open area to play. The game is all skill.  Slinging should be as accessible to people as possible. No need to limit others in an attempt to make it seem more "official". Just my 2 cents.

Hey Guys, from where I am it looks like you are all correct, whilst missing different things.

Is slinging a sport or a pastime ?

There are slinging communities which earn the respect their tradition confers. Any attempt to subvert those traditions should rightly fail.

If slinging is a pastime then stop arguing, carry on doing your own thing and enjoy your individuality.

If slinging is a sport, as long as it played ? practiced ? internationally eventually it will be registered, developed and have rules applied.

I am totally ambivalent as to wether that is good or bad. I am a hill walker and have never taken part in organised sport of any description.

However if the sporting bandwaggon rolls then standardisation will inevitably follow.

Do we as a community actually start the process by agreeing to agree standards for sport slinging.
Rules.
Target.
Distance.
Classes.....by weight of ammo,age, style or other criteria.
Think swimming, Breaststroke, Butterfly, Crawl etc....freestyle.


We have the opportunity to shape a sporting future, or not.

Cheers,

Zud [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Morphy wrote on Mar 31^st, 2021 at 7:43pm:

Banning certain styles makes zero sense. If a style is ineffective it will naturally fall out of favor. In the same way that MMA has made it very clear what does and doesnt work slinging competitions should be open to whatever style. If someone wants to travel a thousand miles to take part in a competition and throw with a poor style he will fail and less people will want to use it in the future. Ive never heard a good arugment for limiting styles.

100% I agree. Other sports have been disrupted by new styles and it advances the sport instead of ruining it.  If someone can beat you with an awkward, ugly throw... it will push you to work harder and question your assumptions.

Can you please name other sports where that is possible?  You drive a thousand kilometers to the Olympics and have a false spear.  You have a wrong discus.  Your bow is wrong.  What will happen?  You will be disqualified.  Very easily.  The reason the Balearic Islands want a multiple turn is simple.  Slinging without twisting is considered to be throwing.  Not as a shoot.  It should also make shooting equally difficult for everyone.  It is a tournament of the Balearic Islands.  For this reason alone, their rules deserve respect.  Create your own freesty tournaments.  There you can throw as you like.  Guam would be a good place.  Balearic Slinging is their tradition.  If you want to receive this, then you play according to your rules.  It's easy.  I do not see the problem.

Jaegoor wrote on Apr 1^st, 2021 at 1:05am:

Can you please name other sports where that is possible?

Here is a very famous example:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fosbury_Flop

Yes and?  The rule was changed.  In the case of spears, the material was also changed.  And even the handle.  What does that change in a Balearic rule?  You can sing anywhere and however you like.  Create your own tournaments.  Everything is not a problem.

Rules can be funny, archery is a good example.
Some competition you are not allowed to shoot string walking some you are. But of corse the carbon fibre limbs and machined risers are ok . Some rules are funny.

As for slinging, I think the 3 rotation rule is stupid. I don’t think that really gives any advantage to the people who naturally pre rotate just disadvantage to those who usually don’t . And like many rules it can just be adapted/twisted, 3 fake rotations a very gradual pause stall and straight into a Byzantine power stroke. Basically a song and dance before the actual throw.

Materials for the sling is a little better because it’s trying to preserve a tradition, this is kinda fair.

Well if I ever get there I’ll be the dark horse. Using Byzantine and figure 8 , dyneema sling, and throwing not slinging!!! Ha ha

Pre rotation seems useless to me personally. I’ve never seen any advantage unles ypur running. Perhaps it’s just my dyneema sling is too efficient that I don’t need the pre rotation to get the stretch out of my sling. Or I’m just a thrower not a slinger ha ha

I think the Balearic rules make sense for the Balearics, but, if slinging makes it to the Olympics, those rules won't be appropriate. Where slinging still exists, it's very much tied to the cultures of the people practicing it and putting limitations on how the sling should be used could be excluding people unfairly. When it comes to the sling itself, I think making a distinction between natural and non natural materials is kind of pointless. I don't think using one or the other gives any large advantage really if both slings are well made. I understand wanting to keep the tradition of natural materials,  but I don't think that needs to be worried about. People will always be using natural materials. The Balearic competition is kind of on a thin line between keeping the Balearic culture of slinging alive and being a competition. If it was a truly competitive, "trying to be the absolute best at slinging" competition, then the rules are restrictive. As an expression of Balearic culture, I think the rules are appropriate. Anyway, they are already very lenient with the international group. I was using Greek and no-one said anything.

I did my part.  The day sling becomes Olympic, I'll stop.  Olympia today is a swamp of corruption.  And yes the Balearic Islands are very forgiving.  But it is not welcome.  I don't think these styles make sense myself.  But we've chewed that through many times here.  I myself prefer to stick to Balearic rules.  I don't care whether someone else understands or likes it.  I don't have to sing internationally either.

One doesnt need to like someone elses choice to be tolerant of their ability to have that choice.

If it werent for innovation we would still be doing the high jump the old way. Let success be the final indicator whether something makes sense and personal opinion can stay a personal thing.

Tolerance.  A nice word.  It is derived from tolare.  It means to endure.  I think it makes little sense to compare high jump with sling.  You are coming to a country with a long tradition.  Not just with a tradition.  Also a good and proven structure.  You come there and say ... We'll do that differently from now on.  Are you talking about tolerance?  Sorry, but that's a joke.  An April joke.  Have a big tournament in Australia and make your rules.  Everyone who comes will stick to it.  I would do this too.  If I go to Guam, the rules there would be binding for me.  So easy.  I call it acceptance.  Do not suffer.

Hey if 20 people wanna come to me I’ll put on a tournament. Getting into Australia and traveling in general is hard and expensive at the moment.

All styles all types of slings.

Then we All go to the shotgun range and shoot clays but with slings.

Beers afterwards!

I would like to visit you in Australia.  I would even shoot figure 8.  😂 I'm not only allowed to drink beer.

Jaegoor wrote on Apr 1^st, 2021 at 4:11am:

You are coming to a country with a long tradition.  Not just with a tradition.  Also a good and proven structure.  You come there and say ... We'll do that differently from now on.  Are you talking about tolerance?  Sorry, but that's a joke.  An April joke.  Have a big tournament in Australia and make your rules.  Everyone who comes will stick to it.  I would do this too.  If I go to Guam, the rules there would be binding for me.  So easy.  I call it acceptance.  Do not suffer.

Reread Kicks first sentence of his last post. I think you missed something in translation. If anything I agree that indvidual places should have the right to make their own rules. What I dont want to see is someone deciding their way of slinging or their equipment is the only type allowed in a world championship type setting.

But of course if someone wished to try that, that is fine. Just as with MMA there will be tournaments where people are allowed to innovate with their throwing style and eventually they will leave the dogmatic behind. This is the case for every single sport. Those unwilling to try new techniques are left in the dustbin of history.

Ammo restrictions make sense within reason. Throwing style restrictions do not.

Jaegoor wrote on Apr 1^st, 2021 at 4:11am:

Tolerance.  A nice word.  It is derived from tolare.  It means to endure.  I think it makes little sense to compare high jump with sling.

And the word "meaning" orginally also meant "the act of remembering".

Meanings change.

That said, MMA is ultimate.  Everything else is a waste of history.  The nonsense just keeps getting better.  😂 A World Cup goes by my ass.  I shoot because I enjoy it.  I like to shoot Balearic because I like the country.  I like the people there.  The international banter is absolutely irrelevant.  There are a lot of slingers that I would like to shoot together with.  Probably not with you, Morphy.  But i could also be wrong.  Or I put up with them.  😂.  I know I'm arrogant.  And I am not very humble.  That makes us very similar, however.

You have attacked me personally for disagreeing with you but I wont respond in like manner. Thats where we differ.

It would be interesting to see which styles would become prevalent with no restrictions. On the international side of the balearics comp I feel people shoot how they want to, most still use a balearic style or something similar, including me but I don't mind the occasional fig 8er. I've seen no byzantine though I consider that style pretty accurate, I think Kick was using Greek at least partly last time which is also another accurate style.

On the flipside I can understand the requirement for rules in principle. Maybe the most effective way to be accurate over 20m is barely even slinging, like use a 4 inch sling and just gently lob it underarm. I'm not sure I'd like to see a competition like that, though it would be completely legitimate in a no rules context.

Multiple rotations is interesting, I do feel that it complicates the throw but if you do it right then you can still be very accurate. I still have a lot of trouble keeping my shots low enough, unless I deliberately use a 'helicopter' like rotor (which I don't like to do, I find it less comfortable and the power is more shoulder-centric, rather than lower body). In fact I think in the first balearic comp I went to I would have actually scored much higher if I shot from 30 or 40m instead of 20m, just by the sheer amount of ammo sailing directly over the target  ;D

I learned on beaches and pelting stuff out to long range at 30-45 degree elevation, so throwing flat doesn't come natural to me at all...

I'm confused. Maybe this is a translation issue/text on the internet not being the same as a conversation issue.

I don't think anyone here is saying we should go to the Balearics and tell them how they should be running their competitions. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think anyone is suggesting that. Currently, the Balearic internationals, are the only competitions being held regularly with long standing established rules. Guam are starting up but, from my understanding, it's still early days. I don't know of any other slinging competitions that are anywhere near the same scale.

So, with that in mind, imagining that slinging does become an Olympic sport, standardized rules would have to be developed. I think some people are thinking that the Balearic rules would be the model to base them on, others, myself included, believe, that while the Balearic rules work well in the context of a competition run by Balearic slingers in the Balearic islands, a truly international Olympic level competition, would benefit from having different rules that more encompass the scope of worldwide slinging and also reflect the fact that Olympic level sports are very different from the sports they came from originally.

By allowing a wider choice in slinging style and sling construction (sling ammo I can see being one thing that standardization would be most beneficial and the most fair) innovation can be encouraged and new feats can be accomplished. I think the Fosby Flop is the perfect example of this. High jump was completely reinvented and the World Records completely transformed from one change. What could be achieved in slinging if we allow room to grow and encourage that with competition?

It is still possible to keep the old traditions and ways of doing things and also see slinging adapted. One thing I've learnt is that there is no one style or one sling that is perfect for everyone, partly because everyone is coming to slinging with a different goal in mind. We cover a lot of different interests: going for pure power, distance, accuracy, speed, historical recreation, personal fitness even. We don't all have the same goals. Plenty of people have absolutely no interest in competition anyway. So, in formulating rules for an international competition, it's not that those rules are dictating what slinging is and should be for everyone. They are simply there as a particular measure for a particular aspect of slinging at a particular event. I don't think having different rules for an Olympic competition will damage a Balearic competition in the same way World Cup football doesn't affect playing football with friends in the park. I don't use those examples to say that the Balearic competition is "less" than a hypothetical Olympic competition. They are two different things being held for different purposes. Again, that's the point. Slinging is very broad. For a weapon that can be made out of shoelaces, there can be no elitism.

It's a shame that you take it as an attack.  You obviously don't understand a smiley either.  Therefore an extra smiley for you.  😂.  By the way, I also wrote that I'm not sure.  By that I mean that I cannot or will not judge or judge you at all.  Simply because I don't know you.  Believe me.  I'm not that bad.

Jaegoor wrote on Apr 1^st, 2021 at 6:44am:

It's a shame that you take it as an attack.  You obviously don't understand a smiley either.  Therefore an extra smiley for you.  😂.  By the way, I also wrote that I'm not sure.  By that I mean that I cannot or will not judge or judge you at all.  Simply because I don't know you.  Believe me.  I'm not that bad.

Im glad to hear it. Im much easier to get along with outside of this forum. Im actually a very relaxed person, in real life. I rarely challenge people in their beliefs regardless how much I may disagree. Mostly because there is rarely a good enough reason to do so. Heres one back at you.  ;)

Jaegoor wrote on Apr 1^st, 2021 at 4:11am:

I think it makes little sense to compare high jump with sling.

You asked me for an example of a sport where a new style changed the sport itself. I gave you the high jump. I never said that high jump is like slinging except that they are both sports.

Whenever you are losing an argument Jaegoor, you change the premise to avoid being wrong. This is a pattern I have noticed with you.

I see this as well. And it keeps us from coming to productive conversations. Instead it just leads to circular arguments and bickering.

In response to the high jump post the assertion was made that in the olympics you cant use the wrong bow, discus, spear etc. This is fine. Of course we dont want people using glandes with gyroscopes on the inside to ensure perfect spin everytime.

But Jaegoor you have proved me right with that analogy. As Mersa very accurately pointed out many styles of shooting are used in Olympic archery. Style, within reason, is "not" regulated. Equipment is to an extent which I dont think anyone here disagrees with.

So if equipment is the issue you are having a problem with rest assured most agree with you. If it's different throwing styles you have a problem with than Im afraid already established procedure in the Olympics have shown you to be in the extreme minority.

I can't think of a single sport actually where the style of doing that sport is so rigidly regulated as you seem to want. I mean no offense by this and you are welcome to think what you want of me but every sport I can think of the person who uses an unorthodox style and wins is celebrated not shunned.

Heres a few smilies just in case.

:) ;) :D ;D

Also in reference to what you said about lobbing Judo I agree. Ive always thought an easy fix for this is to have a bar that stones must be under to count as hits on the target. But seeing as Im a sling libertarian I feel no strong compulsion to try to enforce this. Its just my personal opinion.

I think javelin is a good example of how "tradition" destroyed the fun out of the sport.
1) there is no accuracy competition in javelin!
2) when javelin throwers got better they nerfed the javelin
3) they banned different powerful styles for "safety" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52rvqtiBoow
4) there is no ankyle category
with the above manipulations they made technique refinement less important, success in the sport became more and more genetic and muscle dependent

Can we get back to posting trick shot videos now?

NooneOfConsequence wrote on Apr 1^st, 2021 at 11:58am:

Can we get back to posting trick shot videos now?

I do believe we can my good man!

I seem to have a knack of facilitating arguments.

I'm sorry but from thoughtful discussion productive conclusions can be reached.

The conclusion seems to be my starting point !   ;D

OK, back to the trick shots and a new thread on arguments   ;D ;D

Cheers

Zud [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

xud9a - call me zud 👍 wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2021 at 5:06pm:

I seem to have a knack of facilitating arguments. Cheers Zud [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Wait...What did you just say about NOOC’s mama???!

Well I’m working on my distance/power throws at the moment so trick shots will be taking a break for a bit.
Got a few planned when I get the urge again. March was pretty good for my trick shot resume.

Timpa, this belongs here!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qf9A6IYUZxk

Yeah timpa!!!!

Thanks IG & M  :)

There was really great stuff in this topic!

About half a decade ago, I got excited to try all kinds of fun. Slightly the same type as here:

Dandelion & Rowan berry cluster
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPii5PzTR7k

Playing card split
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NGebMICC8c

Cap & Candle & Alarm clock
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnTbbbDz08o

Love it!

It's funny. We had similar ideas for the last video listed and my bottlecap video, "how to open something with the sling". 

I love the alarm clock.  And you already did the candle 6 years ago??! 

These are hidden gems on your channel. I'm surprised more people haven't viewed them.

Awesome stuff timpa!!!
Although I’m surprised the alarm clock wasn’t attached to an explosive of some sort   ;D ;D
Great slinging