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Message started by Josephusflav on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:31pm

Title: Range issues
Post by Josephusflav on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:31pm
So i have made about 8 slings over the span of the previous year.

All but one were string slings, made from paracord, except for my current sling which is jute woven beleric sling.

Im not sure what range I should be getting out of my sling.†

I have hit the farside of a local river which is 55m wide

However as of late i am landing at about 40m.

My methods of slinging are figure 8 and Balearic.






Title: Re: Range issues
Post by Morphy on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:39pm
What are the stats on your set up? Welcome to the forum by the way.

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by Josephusflav on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:57pm
my sling is about the length of my arm, i dont own a measuring tape at the moment so no numbers sadly.

I would say a little over two foot.


Title: Re: Range issues
Post by IronGoober on Mar 1st, 2021 at 8:11pm
If you are slinging stones, I'd say you could do better.  If you are slinging tennis balls, that might be about right.

For a true breakdown of how to get more distance, you'd need to post something showing your form when slinging.  Distance is about the speed of the projectile, and getting more speed comes from good form, just like in all throwing sports.

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by Morphy on Mar 1st, 2021 at 8:16pm
Too light or too heavy a projectile will affect range dramatically. Once you get a bit more practice and the right set up (sling, sling length, ammo type) you will be throwing much further than that.

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by Mersa on Mar 1st, 2021 at 9:27pm
I would say 50m is very good if youíre just starting, after you get good form hitting 100m would be pretty easy, after that it starts becoming more about your projectile and your form, then next a special distance sling.

Apparently 500m is possible.
Officially itís more around 420m

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by Josephusflav on Mar 1st, 2021 at 10:45pm
whats the proper throwing form for figure 8 and balearic

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by IronGoober on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 1:48am
Watch a baseball pitching form breakdown. Slinging has a lot in common with it, in regards to the hips turning and torso rotation.

Balearic examples:
1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojtZakKT5FE
2.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCZaDLQCPlY

Figure 8 example and instructional:
1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-yvC5f1SWw
2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PyN2MnBOzI

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by David Morningstar on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 8:15am

The best thing to do is to post video of some of your own throws from the side and from behind, then we can see your form and comment on it.

You can post YouTube videos that are link-only and not generally available to the public.

Lots of big distance throws here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SR8SjT7gnTQ

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by Rat Man on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 1:46pm
    100  meters is a very reasonable goal.  I agree with what David wrote.  One video is worth a thousand words. 

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by Josephusflav on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 6:29pm
Ill video tape me slinging in a few days, i ordered some 3.5-5 inch stones for consistency

On the plus side, I worked on my form today and slowly worked my way in from 40m until i was able to hit the bank with small stones.

I have also completed a sling that's longer than my current one.

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by Morphy on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 8:19pm

Josephusflav wrote on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 6:29pm:
Ill video tape me slinging in a few days, i ordered some 3.5-5 inch stones for consistency

On the plus side, I worked on my form today and slowly worked my way in from 40m until i was able to hit the bank with small stones.

I have also completed a sling that's longer than my current one.


Remember this thread when you have been doing this for awhile and you will see an amazing improvement. The day will come when you will hit 40 meters with practically no effort at all. But its just a learning experience the whole way.

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by Josephusflav on Mar 3rd, 2021 at 12:16am
I figure I should ask if release method effects anything

I currently tie one half half of my sling to my pinky and place the other in between my thumb and pointer finger.

To release i fully open my hand.


Is this kosher?

Should i be doing something else?

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by Kick on Mar 3rd, 2021 at 3:21am
I have to say that's an interesting method I haven't heard of before but if it's working for you then great! It can be good to try out lots of different styles though to see if you can find the most comfortable way of slinging. Most people have the retention loop on the middle finger then holding the release cord in the first finger and thumb. There are a lot of different methods but that's probably the most common.

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by joe_meadmaker on Mar 3rd, 2021 at 11:09am
The only thing I can think of is with the cords being held far apart in your hand, this will cause the pouch to also be more open during the throw.† I believe I've seen others mention this can affect the release (not in a bad way, just different).† It could also cause projectiles that are more spherical to fall out more easily.† Although if you're not having problems with this, I certainly wouldn't worry about it.

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by Josephusflav on Mar 4th, 2021 at 8:37am
Update: While awaiting the arrival of my good ammo for the video I did some tests.

I used my sub par ammo to mimic some bois in a video.

In the video a man is doing long range slinging Balearic style.

I noticed he was bending way over sideways make the helicopter action way far  behind his back.

I was making the helicopter action just behind me, mimicking the videos of competition slingers shooting at 20-30m.

So I tried the way i saw in the video and was able to hit the bank with relative ease over and over again.

When my good ammo arrives Ill demon straight the change on vid

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by David Morningstar on Mar 4th, 2021 at 10:27am

Great news! Yes, throw length is important for distance. A common beginner error is to try and make their head the center of the circle, this always leads to a weak throw. Another error is to think that the slinging action is a 'faster spin', when really it is a simple forward throwing motion.

I teach "Create a circle, hold the center of the circle as far back as you can, throw the center towards the target."

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by Josephusflav on Mar 5th, 2021 at 12:35pm
Here is the video

https://youtu.be/twjuFLdFBXo

At 8:45 the longest throw i have ever achieved is performed

The rest of the video demonstrates to methods of release

1 vertical 1 horizontal†

When I reference the berm I refer to a little ridge in the middle of those trees.


Title: Re: Range issues
Post by IronGoober on Mar 5th, 2021 at 1:33pm
Honestly, I think you're doing fine. You just have to work out the timing in the muscles. It looks like it's just a new movement. More practice will gain more fluidity.

To help, I'd say try to move with less force, just smoother motion. That will help develop the timing. I had the same issue with disc golf. If I tried too hard, I wouldn't throw far. As soon as I started slowing down to get the timing down (timing of each muscle firing in succession), I started throwing further.


I can't help think of this clip from Paul Rudd in  "I Love You, Man".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKIpCPS-oZc

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by Morphy on Mar 5th, 2021 at 3:33pm
I agree, with time this will be easier.

A couple things I would suggest and of course these are just my theories. Keep your back foot on the ground and push off it while twisting your hips. Imagine a boxer throwing a punch. The power comes from using the entire body. Now keep this in mind I am not the strongest slinger, but Ive never been interested in distance so eh. With a short 24 inch sling Iíve gotten about 120-130 I believe... With denser smooth stones and a slightly longer sling I might hit 160 or more but still not great. So take this with a grain of salt.

Second I would try a slightly shorter sling. Until you get used to them longer slings can be hard to get a good pull through.

Third, what type of stones are you using? If you showed them or said it in the video sorry, I havent had a chance to watch the whole thing.

You can see the push off your foot here on this video I made earlier today. Also be aware that a slight step forward can increase the length of your powerstroke giving you more time to accelerate. It also likewise makes it easier to be accurate as your arm is not trying to speed up really fast over a short period of time, which makes you more erratic.

https://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1614975833

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by joe_meadmaker on Mar 5th, 2021 at 3:50pm
Expanding on what IG mentioned, I think you need to back off on how much force you're trying to put into the throws.† One thing I notice is that when you step into the throw, you end up jumping off the ground.† I'm a big fan of the forward step, and use it all the time.† But after you take a step, that front foot should be planted and not move again.† You want your body to be stable so your energy can be concentrated into the throw rather than keeping you on your feet.

I would recommend two things.† Do some practicing without moving your feet.† Just turn your hips and then shoulders into the throw.† After some time with that, add your forward step back in.† But after taking the step, don't move your feet again.† When the throw is done, you should be standing in a wide stance with your feet in the same position as they were when you threw the stone.† You may notice that your back foot comes off the ground a little bit, but it shouldn't be turning your entire body around.

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by Morphy on Mar 5th, 2021 at 6:53pm
That was excellent advice. Joe is a powerhouse hes a good one to listen to on this.

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by Mersa on Mar 5th, 2021 at 7:22pm
Perfecting your timing and slowing down your power stroke just enough to make your lag angle better will increase the distance from a throw with slightly less power . Add the power after you perfect the timing. Your close , it will come naturally with more practice, keep it up

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by David Morningstar on Mar 6th, 2021 at 11:03am

I have been looking through your throws on 0.25 playback speed which isnt true slo mo but I think it show something.

I suspect you are beginning your throw a little late, waiting for the pull of the sling to come behind your hand before driving forward. Try advancing the timing so that you wait for the sling to cross in front of your hand and then throw, so that you start moving during the backswing and when the sling comes around behind your hand you are in full motion. You will feel a powerful 'bite' when this happens.

I would also recommend reducing the weight of your ammo by at least half, and trying to find fatter rounder stones. A lot of what you were throwing was very flat and they never fly well.

With a round fat stone that is three fingerwidths long you can be knocking branches out of those trees on the other bank.

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by Kick on Mar 6th, 2021 at 12:55pm
There's some really great advice here. One thing I would suggest is try and throw flatter, more perpendicular to the ground. The reason I say that is because it seemed like you were leaning back to get height but then that prevented you getting your weight behind the stone. Throwing flatter, at least at first, will help get a more consistent form which you can then get further distances with. But yeah, as others have said, keep at it. Simply practicing will iron out a lot of kinks. It's not all that natural a movent at first and it can take some adjusting. Keep hold of this video and look back at it after a few months. You'll surprise yourself :D

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by Josephusflav on Mar 7th, 2021 at 11:22am
Dave when I throw my intent is to start moving when the sling is pointing at the ground after rotating.

Using a clock face,tell me what number the sling should be pointing at when I start the throw.

Thx

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by IronGoober on Mar 7th, 2021 at 1:06pm
@Josephus. Generally the power pull starts when the sling is at 8 or 9 O'clock (for a right-handed throw).† If you see the throw from overhead, the pull starts at "1" in the picture, or a bit sooner.
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Title: Re: Range issues
Post by David Morningstar on Mar 7th, 2021 at 1:55pm

12 o'clock is the trigger point. Once the sling is up and spinning, as the stone crosses the forwardmost point I start a count and start my throw on 'three'.

Have a look at this link, jump to 45 seconds and you can see this happen. Same again at 1:55

https://youtu.be/Wz5Uc9XlkWA

Going back to your video and looking at your throw of 8:00 and frame-advancing (pause playback, press comma and full stop keys), when the pouch is at 9 o'clock your hand is moving sideways towards 3 o'clock. You hand then executes a sharp left turn and is travelling forwards when the sling is directly behind at 6 o'clock.

Throw like you are throwing a javelin, straight forwards. Dont let the sling drag you around, you push energy into it by making it do things it doesnt want to do.  Reducing your stone weight by half will help.





Title: Re: Range issues
Post by Rat Man on Mar 7th, 2021 at 2:15pm
   Your form looks pretty good.  More than anything you just need practice to smooth your style out.  I did find one flaw that you can easily correct.  Your follow through with your right foot is way late.  Your throw is over by the time you follow through. This is costing you a good bit of power. You can correct this by starting your follow through earlier.  You should almost double your power right away. There's something else I'd like you to try though.  In that you're throwing yourself off balance I want you to try eliminating the follow through with your right foot.  Don't lift your right foot off of the ground.  You can lift your heal but leave your toes planted. Just be sure to turn your hips into the throw. Many of us sling this way, myself included, and find it more accurate. Whether or not to follow through with your back foot has been a source of debate on several threads here.
     Jaegoor is one of our better slingers. Maybe our best.  Study his videos. 

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by Josephusflav on Mar 8th, 2021 at 1:39pm
So I attempted to start launching when the sling was in the 12o'clock position.

The result was a massive loss of power, I only hit the bank twice.

I changed over to a longer sling which helped marginally.

>:(

Ill try again tomorrow and see what happens

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by Kick on Mar 8th, 2021 at 2:19pm
It's all experimentation, just keep at it :D

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by IronGoober on Mar 8th, 2021 at 4:59pm
Try throwing with greek style. It will help you get the power-stroke timing. Give this a solid dozen, two dozen tries. If you can start getting power with this throw, then switching to your usual throw should help with power.

Take the pouch in your left hand, and then throw it behind you, at the same time, start the throw with your right.†

See video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fc_rAly4oLY&t=7s

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by Josephusflav on Mar 9th, 2021 at 11:30am
I have finally achieved the ability to knock the treetops off thanx guys!

:D

I reduced ammo to the size of a egg or jumbo egg.

I can hit the tree tops with both balearic and greek styles.

Now all I need to do is push the barrier more.

I have found a new spot with a longer target pic in bound.


Title: Re: Range issues
Post by NooneOfConsequence on Mar 9th, 2021 at 12:44pm

Josephusflav wrote on Mar 9th, 2021 at 11:30am:
I have finally achieved the ability to knock the treetops off thanx guys!

:D

I reduced ammo to the size of a egg or jumbo egg.

I can hit the tree tops with both balearic and greek styles.

Now all I need to do is push the barrier more.

I have found a new spot with a longer target pic in bound.



We are always happy to see pics or videos... itís also a good way to track your own progress :)

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by David Morningstar on Mar 9th, 2021 at 4:46pm
Great work!

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by Morphy on Mar 9th, 2021 at 7:12pm
Nice!! Feels good huh?

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by Josephusflav on Mar 9th, 2021 at 7:22pm

Morphy wrote on Mar 9th, 2021 at 7:12pm:
Nice!! Feels good huh?


No, it feels like i should learn to do a sideways release more cuz this overhand business is killing my shoulder.

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by Oxnate on Mar 9th, 2021 at 11:19pm

Josephusflav wrote on Mar 9th, 2021 at 7:22pm:

Morphy wrote on Mar 9th, 2021 at 7:12pm:
Nice!! Feels good huh?


No, it feels like i should learn to do a sideways release more cuz this overhand business is killing my shoulder.


Don't overdo it.  You're using muscles you haven't used much before.  Take it slow and give yourself several days between throwing sessions for recovery for now.

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by TheHMGSlingingRep on Mar 10th, 2021 at 3:00pm

Oxnate wrote on Mar 9th, 2021 at 11:19pm:

Josephusflav wrote on Mar 9th, 2021 at 7:22pm:

Morphy wrote on Mar 9th, 2021 at 7:12pm:
Nice!! Feels good huh?


No, it feels like i should learn to do a sideways release more cuz this overhand business is killing my shoulder.


Don't overdo it.† You're using muscles you haven't used much before.† Take it slow and give yourself several days between throwing sessions for recovery for now.


Agreed.

When I was starting out I just spent a whole weekend going for it, and for the next week my arm and should was in its own world of numb pain.

Defiantly take brakes.

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by Josephusflav on Mar 10th, 2021 at 7:10pm
Boys im finna have to make some nasa logos form some of these stones cuz imma bout to send this next batch into space.

I did a side release Balearic throw that cleared the trees  and kept going.

I now have to deliberately reduce my power to not fire blindly into the unseen backdrop,

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by IronGoober on Mar 10th, 2021 at 10:06pm
Video! We wanna see the improvement!

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by David Morningstar on Mar 11th, 2021 at 1:44pm
Do a before and after video!

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by Josephusflav on Mar 11th, 2021 at 4:28pm
Video will come soon, i couldnt film today because the wind kept knocking my tripod over  >:(

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by Rat Man on Mar 11th, 2021 at 10:49pm
     If you really want some range try slinging golf balls.  If you can get a good backspin on them they'll fly over the hills and far, far away. 

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by SerKraus on Mar 11th, 2021 at 11:12pm

Rat Man wrote on Mar 11th, 2021 at 10:49pm:
† †† If you really want some range try slinging golf balls.† If you can get a good backspin on them they'll fly over the hills and far, far away.†


I used to think they didn't fly far because they would fall short of tennis balls when I slang them, even with long slings. But one day, I slang one far as hell with a short sling and was in utter shock. Great ammunition!

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by Josephusflav on Mar 16th, 2021 at 8:06pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rxe_rj1B0mQ

Tried some byzantine, lost some power, but gained some accuracy

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by Mersa on Mar 16th, 2021 at 8:52pm
Still a little timing issue but doing well. A heavier stone might sort out the timing, looks like your ammo is a little light for that sling .
Keep it up !!

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by Josephusflav on Mar 16th, 2021 at 9:10pm
I have trouble throwing larger stones

I had a smaller one, but i threw it in the river by accident

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by Mersa on Mar 16th, 2021 at 9:14pm
Keep it up your very close and once you get the timing down power and accuracy will come naturally

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by IronGoober on Mar 16th, 2021 at 9:37pm
There's some progress! Right on, man.

As Mersa said, keep it up. I think if you delayed your power-stroke (the pull forward) by a fraction of a second, you'd get a bit more power overall. (on average, some of your throws were timed nicely).

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by Josephusflav on Mar 16th, 2021 at 11:36pm
For byzantine when should i execute the throw? Where should the sling be pointing on a clock face

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by Mersa on Mar 16th, 2021 at 11:43pm
Nooc can you please post up some diagrams???

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by NooneOfConsequence on Mar 16th, 2021 at 11:59pm

Mersa wrote on Mar 16th, 2021 at 11:43pm:
Nooc can you please post up some diagrams???


As you wish...

https://youtu.be/z-iYJJvYdmw

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by Mersa on Mar 17th, 2021 at 12:01am
;D

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by IronGoober on Mar 17th, 2021 at 12:20am
probably 8 o'clock or 7- ish (for a right-handed throw).  it depends on the cadence of the beginning of the wind up, the sling length, and if you have the sling taut up into the power-stroke.

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by Josephusflav on Mar 17th, 2021 at 4:56pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSj61cK2CAY

https://youtu.be/cRd6q9hk9Go

Had a real hard time getting power from the Byzantine method

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by David Morningstar on Mar 17th, 2021 at 5:33pm
Try this: The short sling, and 2 ounce stones, nothing bigger.

Set yourself up in a nice gentle helicopter, elbow back, hand up, wrist turning the sling, nothing more. Arm is relaxed, just holding up your hand. Your wrist is stirring coffee upside down, thats all it takes.

As the sling crosses from the right side to the left side, as it crosses the line between you and the target, start a count. The count is 'one, two, three, throw!'

During the count your hand only turns on your wrist, dont telegraph to the sling that you are going to do anything different.

On 'throw!',  drive your hand forwards. Not sideways, not in a spiral, do not make any account of the fact you have a sling in your hand or that there is any rotation happening at all. Straight forward.

Because of the timing you are using now it will feel like this is crazy early, like you are throwing nothing at all. Do it anyway.

Halfway through throwing nothing into empty space, the sling will suddenly go "what the £$*&"  and you will feel a bump or grab, a spike of centrifugal force behind you. Power through this, straight forward, follow through.

Do not wait for the sling's permission to throw. Do not wait for the weight to come behind your hand and give you something to throw. Do not move the way the sling wants to move.

Take the sling completely by surprise by throwing when it is blind, hand and sling should be like ships passing each other in the night. Rip the sling out of its comfortable circle and dont let it fight back.

When you get this right you will probably drag shots way to the left. Dont let your release pinch turn into a death grip. Half your maximum grip strength is plenty. Keep looking right at the target, dont reward bad shots with your attention. Only stones that fly towards the target are in your field of view. You aim will soon fix itself, dont try to 'think-fix' it.

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by IronGoober on Mar 17th, 2021 at 6:00pm
2nd video. The timing of the throw at 2:35 was good.† You mostly just need to drive your arm forward harder to get more power, the timing was just about perfect. You just need to get more force moving from your legs/hips up the kinetic chain and into your arm.† You tend to move up off of your plant foot, when you need to be moving more forward, rather than up. (see the subsequent throw)  But try what David suggested. These are just things I'm noticing, its easy to notice, hard to fix.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRd6q9hk9Go&t=2m35s

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by NooneOfConsequence on Mar 17th, 2021 at 6:36pm
If there was only one thing I think you should work on itís rotating the sling with the wrist while holding your arm still. Once itís second nature to keep the ammo in the pouch, you can more easily work on arm movements. You are using your entire forearm to spin the pouch most of the time in the videos.

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by JudoP on Mar 17th, 2021 at 9:13pm
I watched some of it in slow motion, I think the main thing is just tightening up that chain of motion coming through your feet, legs, hips and then into your upper body. It may be you are 'snatching' at the throw a bit which is putting the motion out of sync and overly relying on your shoulder and arm for power. Try to keep pretty loose and let the upper body motion follow the lower body. Hope it makes sense.

It may well be the case that trying to throw harder is spoiling the timing and making the shots less powerful. Better is to focus on smoothness and then with repetitions the power and speed naturally come in.

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by IronGoober on Mar 17th, 2021 at 11:24pm
To second what JudoP said, I also want to mention, that although I've put a number to where the power-stroke should occur, it really isn't a particular point, but a slow acceleration to that point where the maximum force on your arm and the projectile should occur. Really, when the pouch is about at 7:30 to 4:30, that is where most of the pull against the sling should be felt, but you don't start that pull suddenly, it is a smooth transition into the pull (really a push forward with your arm, but the sling feels like it's pulling back, so that's what I call it).

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by Morphy on Mar 18th, 2021 at 10:41am

IronGoober wrote on Mar 17th, 2021 at 11:24pm:
To second what JudoP said, I also want to mention, that although I've put a number to where the power-stroke should occur, it really isn't a particular point, but a slow acceleration to that point where the maximum force on your arm and the projectile should occur. Really, when the pouch is about at 7:30 to 4:30, that is where most of the pull against the sling should be felt, but you don't start that pull suddenly, it is a smooth transition into the pull (really a push forward with your arm, but the sling feels like it's pulling back, so that's what I call it).


Really important point. One of the most important for accuracy IMO.

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by Sir Missalot on Mar 18th, 2021 at 12:13pm
I agree with Morphy about using a shorter sling for better control, especially for Byzantine.  With a short sling, I start out with my firing arm hanging straight down and relaxed then do a quick loop and ker-snap.  I don't do a backswing at all.  A very long sling makes it hard to listen to the stone, and if you can't "hear" it well, it's harder to harmonize with it.  If you move your arm faster than the stone is willing to accelerate, the movement comes out uneven and jerky.  You want to feel the flow, and in time take charge of it. Also, if you're going for pure distance, you may want to try underhanded.  It feels like bowling.

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by Josephusflav on Mar 18th, 2021 at 4:25pm
Just went to a ballfield threw from the 305 marker to 32 paces (one foot directly in front of another) away from home plate.

This was with a 4.8 ounce stone using Balearic   and my shorter sling, is this good, bad, pathetic?

Google earth says this is about 86m

I also attempted to do the what David suggested with the stirring coffee upside down thing.

I cant feel the bite hes talking about, however I think I am doing it right.

The bite should be created by the sling being ripped out of orbit and drifting to the right and i feel like that is what is happening I just don't feel a noticeable pull .


Title: Re: Range issues
Post by Josephusflav on Mar 22nd, 2021 at 5:00pm
90+ METER THROW TOday 4.8 ounces of stone

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by David Morningstar on Mar 22nd, 2021 at 6:00pm
Thats a decent distance for a bigish stone.

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by Kick on Mar 23rd, 2021 at 5:02am
Great stuff! Just thinking how you'll be doing in a few more months :D

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by Josephusflav on Apr 3rd, 2021 at 3:27pm
i broke 100m with a gold ball, not sure how it will far with a rock, i changed 2 things about my technique.

I shifted my weight to my rear, and i allowed myself to continue to spin after i released the ball.

I was advised against this but it got results, next time i go out ill video both my non spinning technique and my spinning tech for review

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by David Morningstar on Apr 3rd, 2021 at 3:52pm
Sounds good!

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by Rat Man on Apr 3rd, 2021 at 6:59pm

Josephusflav wrote on Apr 3rd, 2021 at 3:27pm:
i broke 100m with a gold ball, not sure how it will far with a rock, i changed 2 things about my technique.

I shifted my weight to my rear, and i allowed myself to continue to spin after i released the ball.

I was advised against this but it got results, next time i go out ill video both my non spinning technique and my spinning tech for review


   Slinging is a very individualistic sport.  What's best for me might not be what's best for you.  Yes, do watch videos and emulate the better slingers.  But you also need to experiment to find what works best for you.
     I'd just like to add that David is an excellent mentor.  It was mainly his videos that taught me how to sling correctly many years ago. 

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by xud9a - call me zud 👍 on Apr 3rd, 2021 at 7:46pm
any chance of sharing the gold balls ......please.

Cheers

Zud [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by Rat Man on Apr 6th, 2021 at 2:29pm

Josephusflav wrote on Apr 3rd, 2021 at 3:27pm:
i broke 100m with a gold ball, not sure how it will far with a rock, i changed 2 things about my technique.

I shifted my weight to my rear, and i allowed myself to continue to spin after i released the ball.

I was advised against this but it got results, next time i go out ill video both my non spinning technique and my spinning tech for review

 
   Golf balls are probably my favorite ammo.  If you can get a perfect backspin on them (I can) they will fly over the hills and far, far away. 

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by Josephusflav on Apr 10th, 2021 at 7:00pm
https://youtu.be/J-ozjxegPDA

https://youtu.be/2mkRo4MgVO8

Hep

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by Mersa on Apr 10th, 2021 at 9:03pm
Timing with short sling looks much better. Keep it up

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by Josephusflav on Apr 12th, 2021 at 10:10pm
How should my foot work be.

I was leaning really hard on my back foot, however i changed my stance so i leaned moderately on my back foot and took a large step forwards.

This didnt break any records for distance but it did make my accuracy better and i was expending less effort to achieve the same shot distance.

I how do i get the most out of my driving (rear) foot?

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by Mersa on Apr 13th, 2021 at 2:29am
Footwork is a bit of a mystery, some (like myself) like to step forward in the shot, others swear by fixed footing. I canít give you a correct answer so I say do what feels natural and gives good results

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by joe_meadmaker on Apr 13th, 2021 at 8:53am
I agree with Mersa.† Stepping into your throw is going to be a personal thing.† But you may find that you'll use both, depending on circumstances.

I also generally use a step, but not with very close targets.† Maybe 5 - 6 meters or less and I don't use a forward step.

I found that changing between the two can also help with accuracy issues.† A while back I completely lost my ability to hit a target.† No idea why.† It was like getting the shanks in golf.† I switched over to slinging without a forward step and gradually got my accuracy back.† As I felt more comfortable with my throw, I reintroduced the forward step.† I still use the technique to this day.† If I find that I'm slinging all over the place, I'll loose the forward step for a couple throws, and that usually gets me back on target.

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by Josephusflav on Apr 13th, 2021 at 12:37pm
I really confused about what im doing wrong.

In addition to the foot work problem ( which is the priority)

i have also started to notice a reverb in some of my shots.

like the shaking feeling you get when you shoot a bow with no arrow.

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by Mersa on Apr 13th, 2021 at 7:34pm
I call that recoil, in my experience thatís directly related to the sling weight. A light sling will have less recoil. Also a heavier ammo can reduce recoil and also a whip cracker.

Your not doing anything wrong, this is part of the learning process, your doing great for a relative newbie

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by Morphy on Apr 14th, 2021 at 3:33pm

Josephusflav wrote on Apr 13th, 2021 at 12:37pm:
I really confused about what im doing wrong.

In addition to the foot work problem ( which is the priority)

i have also started to notice a reverb in some of my shots.

like the shaking feeling you get when you shoot a bow with no arrow.


I believe youre struggling to keep cord tension consistent. Try to keep the cords taut throughout the throw. Any looseness before pulling into the powerstroke or the release can lead to that.

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by Rat Man on Apr 15th, 2021 at 3:19pm
† † Your form looks better than in your first video.† You're throwing yourself off balance less and you've smoothed it out some.† I don't think you're doing anything drastically wrong.† You just need more practice.† Slinging can take years to perfect.† Don't get discouraged.†

Edit:  This might be helpful to you.  In a way your slinging reminds me of a  boxer who tries to throw a knockout with every punch.  He ends up burning himself out way early and getting knocked out himself.  Or a baseball player who tries to hit a home run every time at bat and ends up striking out instead. 
    Don't try to kill it on every shot.  Relax. Untense.  Sling at 80% power instead of 100%.  Watch videos of Jaegoor, David Morningstar, or some of our other more accomplished slingers.  They are relaxed when they sling. 

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by Josephusflav on Apr 20th, 2021 at 3:50pm
Where should i aim angle wise for range.

also my dog farted

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Title: Re: Range issues
Post by NooneOfConsequence on Apr 21st, 2021 at 9:06pm

Josephusflav wrote on Apr 20th, 2021 at 3:50pm:
Where should i aim angle wise for range.

also my dog farted

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Depending on the temperature outside and the air density... count to three and then aim directly at the dog fart as it rises into the sky, and then you will have the perfect angle.

Title: Re: Range issues
Post by IronGoober on Apr 22nd, 2021 at 7:02pm
There is an algorithm for this. Follow these steps:

1. Aim at the horizon. Throw as hard as you can.
2. Aim a bit higher. Throw as hard as you can.
3. Aim even higher. Throw as hard as you can.
4. Repeat step 4.

The one that goes the furthest should be your aiming point.

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