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This should be interesting.

5G is a danger to us all but most specifically to those who will become vaccinated.
I am not taking the vaccine, but truth be told, this is really not a vaccine at all, it's gene therapy.
Hate me all you want for it, I don't care. We're in almost a year now. Everyone's had time to educate oneself on this subject and make their choice.
I don't give a poopy about covid the disease personally, I only fear God

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5G is new and therefore should be greatly feared... just like the walkman, television, the internets, video games... and before that... pianos, forks, and bicycles.

But I’m sure this time it’s different.

https://pessimists.co/

Morphy wrote on Dec 19^th, 2020 at 5:05am:

This should be interesting.

... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

The power density limits for 5G (which is 20-40 GHz approx.) are very low. Your own body actually emits a higher power density of thermal radiation ( > 20W/m^2) than the proposed limits on 5G (55 W/m^2). And thermal radiation is in a higher frequency range of EM radiation, i.e. higher energy.  It is very unlikely that any adverse effects will occur. The absorption depth of 5G is also sub-millimeter, i.e. it will absorb in the upper layer of skin. It can only cause heating, but since your body will radiate that energy out just as quickly, there is very little probability of any adverse effects.  UV does damage because each individual photon can break bonds. GHz radiation can only cause heating, each photon has ~1/10,000th of the energy as a UV photon. 

Standing outside on a sunny day exposes you to more dangerous radiation. Living on top of radon gas emitting granite is more hazardous to your health.

All of the "evidence" and opinions I've seen against 5G have had absolutely no scientific basis whatsoever. It's been conspiracy theories, feelings, assumptions and also straight up misinformation.

Now go back and read that paragraph again but replace 5G with vaccines and that will save us all time.

I'm a little worried about the speed with which they produced this particular vaccine. Personally I think you would be a little crazy not to have some type of concern. Of course I'll be getting it but eh still have my concerns. Anything you put in your body can potentially hurt you. That may not be a problem for the vast majority but statistically speaking it will be an issue for some. At least with the other vaccines theres been a ton of guinea pigs to test it on before this particular pig got his. 

As for 5G the only thing I really worry about is people I am sniping against with my 1 ping on Call of Duty.  "You get a sucking chest wound and you get one and YOU!"  (Insert Oprah meme here)

Vaccine speed and safety:
https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/coronavirus-disease-(covid-19)-vaccine-research-and-development

Kick wrote on Dec 19^th, 2020 at 2:30pm:

Vaccine speed and safety: https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/coronavirus-disease-(covid-19)-vaccine-research-and-development

I'm not questioning the need here. Just the fact that with 7 billion people getting a relatively new vaccine there's going to be a whole lot of people that end up with bad consequences from it.  A very small minority vs the whole but still.

Again...that's not a reason not to get it. It's a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation. It's just one of those situations is much worse which gives you little choice.  I'm really fond of my lungs after all. So I am going to whine and complain like a big baby but still get it.

I am warning you not to take it. Don't say I didn't warn you if you do. This is not a convential vaccine. This vaccine will chance fundamentally who you are. I am going to be ousted as a complete nutcase but I don't care. Their transhumanist agenda is not hidden. You can read the damned works of klaus schwab, the WEF and all of his ilk.  Of course he is just a frontman of something far more sinister than you can possibly comprehend. The signs are clear for any willing ear and watchful eye.  I am just telling you I am not taking this vaccine. And yes the ones who refuse will likely be persecuted. A fact I am willing to accept. I've always been a stranger to this world and I am ready to leave this existence if that's what it costs me.

I am glad I’m not one of the first guinea pigs. I am hoping some of the kinks in the mass production and distribution process are worked out by the time they are ready to give the vaccine to relatively young and healthy people outside of the healthcare industry.

::)

NooneOfConsequence wrote on Dec 19^th, 2020 at 3:07pm:

I am glad I’m not one of the first guinea pigs. I am hoping some of the kinks in the mass production and distribution process are worked out by the time they are ready to give the vaccine to relatively young and healthy people outside of the healthcare industry.

Haha ya those healthcare workers! Suck it people! Oh wait... ya I'll go with Kick on this one.  ::)

You really have to admire the people that were the test subjects for it. They had essentially a minimum 50% chance of contracting COVID-19 assuming a 1:1 placebo to vaccine ratio.  If the vaccine was less effective that 100%, then the chance to get COVID-19 was higher (also assuming that the exposure to the virus after the administered vaccine/placebo had a 100% infection rate).  I would have been hesitant to volunteer.

I have had similar thoughts about the vaccine as well. 100% going to get it when my turn comes, but given that there can be long lasting effects from COVID-19, it has occurred to me that there could be side effects from a vaccine for this disease. 

J, I don't know why you would think that a vaccine is going to fundamentally change who you are. We don't have that level of technology yet, you would need more invasive stuff than a couple of shots, like a lobotomy, or brainwashing. Gene editing exists, but can't be targeted to any useful degree in people. That is sci-fi stuff from the movies. It may happen one day, but that isn't the case in the current day and age.

But that's exactly what this vaccine will do. The Wuhan lab genetically engineered COVID-19 to have HIV-proteins embedded into it. They were paid millions by the Chinese government for gain-of-function research. Something many governments pay their scientists to do, which is not a secret.

Due to the presence of HIV proteins in COVID, a presence verified by multitudes of independent researchers and scientists world wide many months ago now, the virus functions and acts like a retrovirus. A retrovirus embeds itself into the host DNA through reverse transcriptase and then goes viral throughout the host's body. The mRNA vaccines, who are based off the disease, will integrate themselves into the host DNA through the same biological process due to the presence of HIV proteins.

The Pfizer and ModeRNA vaccine is a synthetic messenger RNA virus. The process of transcription is identical. Both the HIV virus and the mRNA vaccines contains this enzyme called reverse transcriptase, which, upon entry into the nucleus, turns the RNA into DNA and instructs the cell to manufacture the virus spike protein or in the case of HIV, an entire retrovirus.  This is why this is gene therapy, and not a vaccine at all.

The side effects of these changes are going to be tremendous on a world wide scale, effects that are going to be used as an excuse for further lockdown measures and tiranny, under the guise of a new covid-mutation. You are witnessing worldwide controlled global depopulation at play. At the same time they are planning to introduce a radical new economic system and collapse of the old one. This is all laid out publicly in the documents of the Great Reset. It's going to include digital vaccine passports and a digital cryptocurrency financial system to replace the old one. The coming chaos in the Divided United States will end the dollar and with it the fiat currency system is going to collapse.


However, listen carefully, the Pfizer and ModeRNA vaccines still use the oldschool hypodermic needle for injecting the patient. These hypodermic needles rely on a cold distribution chain and a long production process, both of which are designed to fail. They will play the public and the public will demand a better alternative, an alternative they have designed long ago, and it is called the microneedle array patch delivery system. It delivers the vaccine on the righthand or the forehead painlessly and quickly through a self-adminstered patch. The benefit of the patch delivery system is ease of production and distribution. It will also include an enzym called luciferase and a quantum-dot tattoo so that it can be scanned as proof-of-vaccination, whenever you enter a plane and eventually it will be required for any participation in their new society and global system. Ringing any bells?

Several things there J:
1. Fear not.
2. If it is what you suggest then “the elect“ will be supernaturally warned of the deception. Every new technology brings a new interpretation of apocalyptic prophecy. People said similar things about microchips and tattoos before that. The mechanics or technology of how such a mark will be implemented are not the core of the problem to be avoided in my opinion.
3. DNA is more dynamic than scientists thought a few decades ago. It changes all the time, but a person‘s nature is not fundamentally altered by the introduction of HIV or any other virus.

It's not only the DNA-altering that I am warning about. The fact is that they have a vehicle here to deliver anything they want into the human genome, and they have oppertunity to do so on a world wide scale. When is that oppertunity ever going to arrive again? If not now, then when? It's what they are planning on adding to the DNA that is the problem. In this case a cocktail of horror of who knows what. They will not disclose all of it. And even if they did I wouldn't want it. And they have no liability in case it goes wrong. It's just simply plain wrong to mess with humanity on such a large scale. I am against GMO-food. I am against GMO-humans. Any time man messes with creation on such a level it is bound to go wickedly wrong. Scientists are fools to think they can play God. The political and social agenda behind all of this is obvious to anyone who is not spiritually blind. This is not an organic crisis. It is completely planned. Event 201. The Great Reset. The Fourth Industrial Revolution. The transhumanist agenda is clear. They want to connect humanity into a digital hell. These are the days of Noah God warned us about. These elites are satanists. That is who their father is. A breed of vipers. They are in direct communion with the fallen one, who is giving them all the instructions for enslaving humanity into the beast system.

Even so J... even if everything you say is true, what is also true is that God is bigger, more powerful, and completely in control. Satanic elites with secret plans for genetic terror are still on the losing side of the battle no matter how advanced the technology or how ripe the opportunity might be.

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a wrote on Dec 19^th, 2020 at 7:15pm:

Unsure how my serious scientificationalistic post about 5G ended up in conspiracy theories about a vaccine... :-( What vaccine? If it's a WHO endorsed one count me out please. I've seen WHO operate at top country level, not in the least impressed. Bumbling incompetent's with their own agendas, hand in hand with corrupt officials with their own agendas .... meanwhile people die :-(

The direction of this thread was inevitable hence my first comment. Still, I hope this will continue to be an interesting discussion with all sides chiming in.

The point you were making in your original post is a good one. 1 or 2 things may not cause a problem but 50 different minor issues sure can. Not sure of the truth on the 5G issue. I’ve heard so much about it but I’ve not looked into it deeply. I tend to lean in the direction of NOOC/IG.  Every new tech leads to some sort of fear. That fear is not “always” misguided but it does happen quite a bit.

If 5G does end up hurting people it certainly won’t be the first time a new technology was deemed safe only to end up not being so.

Consider all the completely absurd practices from previous time periods that we see as so obviously dangerous now. The radium girls is one such example that seems crazy to us but was normal at the time. 

I personally don’t think the upcoming generation is biologically or organically deficient in a way that’s any worse than previous generations. Culturally things have certainly gotten very strange. I feel like it’s gotten so strange so quickly no one wouldve believed it 20 years ago. But that’s just me.

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@Morphy, you’re right that a lot of technology really is dangerous to begin with, but it never goes away. We just learn how to deal with it more safely and design less deadly versions of the same basic technology over time. Examples are everywhere, but the first two that come to mind are refrigerators (many children suffocated in early fridges that only open from the outside), and early microwave ovens where the microwave radiation wasn’t confined to a Faraday cage.

@Kilisi, nice baiting. Now that you’ve confessed to it though you may get lumped with the other forum trolls like me and Morphy ;D

a wrote on Dec 19^th, 2020 at 9:13pm:

Morphy wrote on Dec 19th, 2020 at 7:32pm: The direction of this thread was inevitable hence my first comment. Still, I hope this will continue to be an interesting discussion with all sides chiming in. Yeah, I'm old so don't miss an opportunity to take a dig at youngsters.... also I'm a school dropkick, so don't miss a chance to take a shot at scientists etc,. Lastly I'm bored, so stirring a bit of controversy with a pseudo scientific post in which when all s said and done a test rat got pregnant.... is par for the course ;) Apart from that my main reason for being online apart from work is to practice my English.... pretty much achieved everything with this post so far :)

Nothing wrong with stirring up conversation. It wasn't at the expense of anyone else and it's actually a good topic to discuss due to the controversy surrounding it.  I ALMOST made a comment on the pregnant rat but didn't want to push it too far so glad you mentioned that LOL!

@NOOC- how am I supposed to get wolverine claws if the radiation is confined???

The problem with this virus is the answer.
With globalization and the destruction of wild spaces, the number of viruses will increase. And what is the answer ? Ever more globalization and economic growth.
But no problem, we are going to be sold more and more vaccine.
A french singer sang : " Alert babies ... "

IronGoober wrote on Dec 19^th, 2020 at 3:32pm:

I don't know why you would think that a vaccine is going to fundamentally change who you are. We don't have that level of technology yet, you would need more invasive stuff than a couple of shots, like a lobotomy, or brainwashing. Gene editing exists, but can't be targeted to any useful degree in people. That is sci-fi stuff from the movies. It may happen one day, but that isn't the case in the current day and age.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzPD009qTN4
you don't need to be so intrusive. If changing the microbiome in your gut can change your behavior and vice versa and it can be done in a vicious circle then the least intrusive thing you need is to just spread ideas to get the outcome you want. This spread of ideas can be intentional or unintentional. Social media economy is based on mildly infuriating posts, at first it worked then everyone adapted it, if it's not regulated it will continue to grow. Being mildly infuriated most of the time will change everything about someone.

NooneOfConsequence wrote on Dec 19^th, 2020 at 5:40pm:

Even so J... even if everything you say is true, what is also true is that God is bigger, more powerful, and completely in control. Satanic elites with secret plans for genetic terror are still on the losing side of the battle no matter how advanced the technology or how ripe the opportunity might be.

Of course. But God warns us of the deception, lies and apostasy that must come first. 

Regarding the vaccine, this is a good short video to watch.
https://rumble.com/vc03nj-prominent-virologist-dr.-sucharit-bhakdi-exposes-major-risks-of-gene-alteri.html

Anyone else doesn't find it slightly suspicious that just after the UK starts the jabbing process, a new mutation arises in that country?

AncientCraftwork wrote on Dec 20^th, 2020 at 5:41am:

NooneOfConsequence wrote on Dec 19th, 2020 at 5:40pm: Even so J... even if everything you say is true, what is also true is that God is bigger, more powerful, and completely in control. Satanic elites with secret plans for genetic terror are still on the losing side of the battle no matter how advanced the technology or how ripe the opportunity might be. Of course. But God warns us of the deception, lies and apostasy that must come first.  Regarding the vaccine, this is a good short video to watch. https://rumble.com/vc03nj-prominent-virologist-dr.-sucharit-bhakdi-exposes-major-risks-of-gene-alteri.html Anyone else doesn't find it slightly suspicious that just after the UK starts the jabbing process, a new mutation arises in that country?

Since we are exploring all sides of this rabbit hole... From a Christian perspective  no it's not lost on me how similar all this looks to certain prophetic warnings. And I do believe that even if it isn't possible to use CRISPR technology to gene edit in real time through this vaccine it's certainly something those in power would want to do eventually.

Why? Because why not?  In our desire to be level headed we should also guard against naivety as well.  Not everyone is as moral as we are. There actually are plenty of people in power who would jump at the chance to do that for any number of reasons. And they don't have any moral boundaries to speak of. Hopefully this at least we all can agree on:  Whether or not this is part of the plan or even possible, there are real, actual people in power who would do something like this if it meant a big increase in their control and power over the people of this planet.

That much I absolutely agree with, Jauke.

But again from a Christian perspective we are told some pretty bad things await those who knowingly take the mark. I say knowingly because if it were just a matter of holding someone down and forcing the mark on them it's likely they would have done it already.

I think actually this is the type of thing that has to be taken knowingly and in full understanding of what it means. To me anyways that's the only way the degree of punishment ever would fit the crime. People taking a vaccine because they are scared of a virus are not evil people.. They shouldn't be punished with such a heavy punishment. I don't think God would damn a sweet little old lady who had no clue what she was taking was bad.

God is not a robot incapable of seeing shades of grey. He sees it all. Is this a step in the direction of the Mark? You bet I totally believe that.. But then there's been a lot of steps towards tyranny. This is a huge one but not the only one.

So again my belief is listen and wait. Don't believe everything you hear from one side or the other. I am personally a bit of a conspiracy realist myself but there's a lot of stuff on YouTube that seems very convincing that actually is utter BS.

Pray, watch and wait. I agree with NOOC it seems quite a bit lately. Watch, wait and believe that if that time is coming soon and you are listening, God will prepare a way for you..

I love what you are saying because I don't believe there should be any obstruction to free speech. People need to hear all sides to form the most well rounded opinions.

There's something unexpected I've learnt working as a nurse. When people die of old age, it's very rarely how it's portrayed in the movies. It can be that someone just falls asleep one day and they don't wake up. Often it's not like that. I've seen people die over weeks. More often it's days, but it can be weeks. In that time, they are in a lot of pain, something else I hadn't really thought of. We've had 9 people die on our ward this year. Not one was Covid related. They died "normal" deaths. The latest person died 2 weeks ago. It's a hard thing to measure, but I guess you could say he was dying for about 4 days or so. The last evening of his life I was on shift and so was tasked with caring for him and administering pain medication. Morphine, the strong stuff, every 3 hours. I didn't need to worry about keeping track of time too closely, he would start rolling around in bed and shouting when it started wearing off. His family was with him. They saw him in that condition. I knew for a fact he would die that night because he was sweating and his forehead was warm, but I brushed his ear and it was cold as ice. His hands and feet were cold too. Like I said, people don't die instantly like in the movies, they die by degrees. Your periphery starts losing circulation and your organs fail slowly, one by one. From what I can tell it's a very painful process for the person to undergo. I've seen it more than once. I've seen it more than twice. Not once have I seen a loving God.

If there is a god up there, I would have to go by the evidence for what he's like down here. A mad child with a magnifying glass. A blind, flailing monster. Why would I pray to the inventor of famine? You are relying on him to save us? Good luck.

Fair enough Kick.  I respect where you are coming from. We've seen similar things and come to different conclusions. But I'm not one to try and force my beliefs on others. I was more speaking directly to Jauke on that last post because in my experience here whenever we drift into generalized discussions on religious stuff things can go sideways pretty fast. But he also has a specific concern that needed to be addressed directly. I do very much appreciate your honest take on it though.

Yeah, it’s actually quite disturbing that we agree so much lately Morphy. I’ll try to be more disagreeable.

@J my main point is that we should not live in fear even if everything is exactly as you described it. If there’s anything we can learn from 2020, it’s that fear itself is terribly destructive. The opportunistic despotism that has occurred so far was enabled by people’s fear and desires for safety. We can address threats (political, viral, or otherwise) more effectively if we remain rational and take deliberate actions instead of “doing something” when we don’t know what to do.

@kick that is definitely a discussion for another topic. I have watched close relatives die overnight, and others slowly over  weeks or years. My wife and I have also lost children through extremely traumatic miscarriages, yet I will still tell you that the God I believe in is good and loving.  I for one would be happy to have a thoughtful and honest discussion on the subject... but that’s hard to do if it’s intermingled with 5G and Coronavirus talk :)

Like I said, I've seen a lot of suffering in my job and I've seen a lot of it very recently. I find it hard to hear people talk about a loving god. I don't believe in god, but if I'm wrong and he is up there, then I almost find myself agreeing with Jauke. We should fear him.

I also agree with that sentiment Kick. An all-powerful God is the only one to fear, which means there’s no need to fear anything else... not satanic global conspiracies, not viruses, not suffering or death. Ironically, it’s much easier to live life to the fullest when you aren’t afraid of death.

The scientist who discovered HIV and won a nobel prize for it, is saying that COVID-19 was made in a lab and contains HIV-1 proteins.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/XxTOEOpjG7ag/

A while ago, another group of scientists published a paper, called ''Uncanny similarity of unique inserts in the 2019-nCoV spike protein to HIV-1 gp120 and Gag''
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.30.927871v1.full.pdf

Another paper talking about the HIV-inserts
''SARS-CoV-2 RNA reverse-transcribed and integratedinto the human genome''
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.12.12.422516v1.full.pdf

The mainstream media and governents are denying that COVID-19 contains HIV-1 proteins and thus uses this claim as proof that the virus and the vaccines do not alter the DNA of the recipient.

''The medical scientists in India reported: “We found 4 insertions in the spike glycoprotein (S) which are unique to the 2019-nCoV and are not present in other coronaviruses.  Importantly, amino acid residues in all 4 inserts have identity or similarity to those in the HIV-1 gp120 or HIV-Gag, all of which have identity/similarity to amino acid residues in key structural proteins of HIV-1 is unlikely to be fortuitous in nature.”

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https://science.thewire.in/the-sciences/luc-montagnier-coronavirus-wuhan-lab-pseudoscience/

This would be the same scientist that believes in homeopathy right? Unfortunately, just because someone did good science years ago doesn't actually mean they now get a free pass to believe everything that dribbles out of their mouth for life. They still need to do good science. He has not.

If you need any more sources I can get my microbiology-masters-degree-studying wife to contribute.

https://youtu.be/-92HQA0GcI8

This might help you understand how this vaccine was produced. I understand that there is almost certainly nothing I could share or post to change your mind,  seeing as you have a fundamentally different understanding of reality to myself, but maybe someone else reading these comments won't fall for your conspiracy bollocks.

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A big battle between good and evil? So a battle between the ultimate creator of infinite power (apparently) and some red guy with a pointy stick? How is there any question in who would win? Why would God, an actual deity, require my help? Let's not forget,  he's the one that is currently allowing evil to exist so I fail to see how it's any concern of mine if he has decided to fight it in some sort of protracted battle despite the fact he could wish it away whenever he wants. Why can't he use pantywaists? Why did he (apparently) create a universe in which pantywaists just won't do? Kind of an oversight, no?

This is the main problem I've found with religion. They're rarely logically consistent. God is both all around us but you have to visit church to be taken seriously by him. He's all good and powerful but evil exists. He's the solution to all our problems whilst simultaneously being the cause of them and also shouldn't be relied upon as the solution. I've heard all the arguments used to justify these inconsistencies and they're all lacking for me. There's no need for suffering in a universe created by an all powerful God. I find it easier to believe in a chaotic universe.

Kick wrote on Dec 21^st, 2020 at 5:08am:

I've heard all the arguments used to justify these inconsistencies and they're all lacking for me.

In a nutshell, God is all powerful, we're like him in that we have both good and bad inherent in us, his image not because of two arms two legs, monkeys have that, but something outside the physical. Like him we're engaged in a struggle with ourselves. We're part of him in an internal battle, like antibodies fighting germs.... very simplistic, but basically how it works.... since God is everything, it's a cleansing/purifying process..... the red chap is just a way of visualising things, although real enough as well..... you could just as well visualise it as a fight against an insidious disease.

There is always a need for strife and suffering. There is no triumph without strife. There is no learning without change, there is no joy without sadness etc,.

On another level life is all about the journey, if you're not moving forwards and realising your potentials you're not journeying, you're not real, you're just shadowy footnotes in other peoples journeys.

Unsure if that makes sense, my English isn't great, but perfection is unnatural, therefore must be striven towards rather than a given..... just my opinion.

what amuses me is that no one threw a wobbly about g, 2g, 3g or 4g.
But 5g ! Oh my god it's going to wipe us all out.

Ever since radio and tv were invented we've been bombarded by electromagnetic radiation from all sides.
Net result ?
human population has doubled in that time period.

So yeah cancer incidences have gone up.
But as a percentage of the human race ? not so much.

There is absolutely no evidence that 5g is any better or worse than the other 4.

So WHY are people getting so worked up about it ?

@kilist - which god ?
Gods have been worshipped for tens of thousands of years. Some of the older gods and religions are still around.

So what makes YOUR god any better or worse than anyone elses ?
The way I see it. there is no empirical evidence of any god. So One god is just as valid as any other.

If christians want people to respect their beliefs - they should respect others and vice versa.   
After all the christian/abrahamic god is one of the younger kids on the block.

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And that's another aspect of the christian god - you lot get offended A LOT !
And assume that everyone else also gets offended :-)

You share the same god with islam & judaism, yet the three religions are always prosecuting each other.

There's a lot to be said for polytheism.
Polyatheist religions tend to be more tolerant of others.
When you've got a 100 gods of your own, why give a damn if someone pops up with another god ?

But as I couldn't be arsed to read through the whole thread - what does any of this have to do with the unjustified paranoia around 5g ?
:whistle:

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Come on C_A you've been around here long enough to know that Other Topics is where threads go off the rails the quickest :D

So hold on a second guys... I get that politics and abortion are touchy subjects but you're telling me we can't have a frank discussion about why I am right and everyone else is wrong about God without it being a sh1tshow? I thought we had moved past this. Gather round, Uncle GlassHouse is about to throw some big ass stones.

This is why it's called Other Topics right? The comments are completely different topics to the original posts.

Hold on... nobody say anything controversial for the next 20 minutes please. I need to run to the store and buy more popcorn.

https://giphy.com/gifs/mrw-quality-vjwACwDxB0hZ6

In all seriousness I will say that at least in my area the amount of advertising being done for this vaccine has given it an almost dystopian movieesque feel to the whole situation. I hope if this does end up being the zombie apocalypse that it's more walking dead than 28 days later. A stumbling rotting corpse is the way to go for me.

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No? Nothing controversial yet?  I guess it’s my turn. Anybody up for further degradation of the conversation? Maybe some ad-hominem flame wars? Anyone? ;D


Curious Aardvark wrote on Dec 21^st, 2020 at 7:48am:

And that's another aspect of the christian god - you lot get offended A LOT ! And assume that everyone else also gets offended :-)

Wow! You just managed to stereotype a significant chunk of the world population with one little comment. I wonder if you maybe get the impression that so many people are easily offended because you make offensive over-generalizations?

Personally, I am offended that you called me easily offended! :whistle:

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a wrote on Dec 21^st, 2020 at 5:04pm:

NooneOfConsequence wrote on Dec 21st, 2020 at 4:18pm: You just managed to stereotype a significant chunk of the world population with one little comment. I actually don't get offended at all. It's just weak. People get offended because they think they can safely get offended. One little kicking and they find that they have a store of tolerance they never knew about ;) In a large chunk of the World people have the freedom to be offended because Christians fought and died to give it to them. :-) But that's no excuse for weakness. Try being offended in many non christian countries and a kicking is the least that may happen.

https://cdn-wbn.b-cdn.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/mike-tyson-quote.jpg

@kilisi I’m not actually offended... just stirring the pot a bit ;D
By the way... if freedom of speech doesn’t apply to offensive speech, then there is no freedom of speech.

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a wrote on Dec 21^st, 2020 at 4:02pm:

Morphy wrote on Dec 21st, 2020 at 3:27pm: In all seriousness I will say that at least in my area the amount of advertising being done for this vaccine has given it an almost dystopian movieesque feel to the whole situation. I hope if this does end up being the zombie apocalypse that it's more walking dead than 28 days later. A stumbling rotting corpse is the way to go for me. I actually know nothing about any vaccine. Don't even see how there can be an effective one. I'm fine with the zombie apocalypse though :)

It's a safe bet if you're not hearing about it yet you will be. I don't think this is one of those local things.

I actually don't get offended at all. It's just weak. People get offended because they think they can safely get offended. One little kicking and they find that they have a store of tolerance they never knew about

I'm watching Breaking Bad right now and this is totally something I could see them saying.

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a wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2020 at 2:59pm:

Morphy wrote on Dec 21st, 2020 at 10:22pm: It's a safe bet if you're not hearing about it yet you will be. I don't think this is one of those local things. If you get sick, the hospital is your last resort. If you die by the time your families informed your wallet, rings, cellphone and shoes have disappeared.

Our med service may be a little more sophisticated but we also don't wait for the patient to die to rob them blind either so pick your poison sir!

Maybe it’s just because I have no plans to move to Polynesia, but I will take overpriced American health care, as flawed as it is. Kilisi paints a pretty bleak picture of the culture in his area... drunken politicians, drug-seeking package thieves, and hospitals that kill you AND empty your pockets. Not exactly the tropical paradise most people imagine when they think about that region of the world.

NooneOfConsequence wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2020 at 11:04am:

drunken politicians, drug-seeking package thieves, and hospitals that kill you AND empty your pockets.

Here in Houston we call that Wednesday.

Man, I don't want to know what goes on every Monday...

Morphy wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2020 at 11:07am:

NooneOfConsequence wrote on Dec 23rd, 2020 at 11:04am: drunken politicians, drug-seeking package thieves, and hospitals that kill you AND empty your pockets. Here in Houston we call that Wednesday.

Touche’

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Never been to Fiji, but generally speaking, I’ve never been a fan of the manufactured resort environments.   

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IronGoober wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2020 at 11:51am:

Man, I don't want to know what goes on every Monday...

@IG- We try to ignore Monday and hope it just goes away.


https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/dr-fauci-just-gave-warning-183543693.html

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/moderna-has-confidence-its-vaccine-will-protect-against-uk-mutation-231027922.html

I've seen this movie. The next scene involves me walking down the deserted streets of Houston with only my dog.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/5dP9wPEUQZsr/

I am quite sure that if you've taken the PCR ''test'' you have already been vaccinated or at least injected with something nefarious.
https://hub.jhu.edu/2020/11/25/theragripper-gi-tract-medicine-delivery/

An article talking about an animal study on the introduction of medicine into the GI tract, so the digestive system, and a video from an Italian doctor who specializes in obstetrics and gynecology talking about a massive global conspiracy to depopulate the world through vaccination for SARS-CoV-2, a respiratory disease. Not quite sure how they line up, but ok. Mr doctor man says he got the secret plans for this heinous plot from... oh... wait... hang on... he... doesn't say where he got them from. It's just a "document" he starts reading from.

Right.

Well, with his background being in obstetrics and gynecology, if I have problem with my pregnancy or vagina, I'll know who to call, but, for a viral respiratory disease vaccine, I might ask someone who actually knows what they're talking about. Thanks for the links though.

So long as we all agree that pineapple doesn't belong on pizza I think there's hope for us as a group.

AncientCraftwork wrote on Dec 25^th, 2020 at 12:36pm:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/5dP9wPEUQZsr/ I am quite sure that if you've taken the PCR ''test'' you have already been vaccinated or at least injected with something nefarious. https://hub.jhu.edu/2020/11/25/theragripper-gi-tract-medicine-delivery/

The PCR test is just a nose swab that goes off to a lab. There is no injection.

I had to do that a while ago, and [twitch] I [twitch] feel [twitch] fine [twitch, twitch].

https://newtube.app/fake_pandemic/tiJz49z

A nurse who recently got vaccinated now has Bell's Palsy. Bell's palsy is caused by inflammation of one or more of the three main branches of the facial nerves. Due to the constricted areas these nerves pass through, inflammation can cause swelling which cuts off the nerves and so paralyses part of the face. This paralysis can be permanent, but usually is temporary and lasts at most a few weeks. It's actually a fairly common condition and often comes on after a cold. Has the vaccine caused it? At this point basically impossible to say for sure. If, going forward, the vaccine is found to cause Bell's palsy in a sizeable percentage of those that took it, then that would be a cause of concern. This and other side effects and possible complications will have to be watched for and assessed as they arise.

One person developing a common condition after a vaccination does not mean the vaccine is for sure dangerous. I like that she mentioned she's a nurse by the way, as if that has anything to do with anything. She could be the head of the CDC and it wouldn't matter because she is one person with one condition that she CANNOT say for sure is vaccine related. As a nurse, she should know that science requires more than one case study to show a trend. If I get the vaccine and then fall off a roof, I'm not going to blame the vaccine for breaking my leg. Causality has to be proven first.

Kick wrote on Dec 27^th, 2020 at 7:36am:

A nurse who recently got vaccinated now has Bell's Palsy. Bell's palsy is caused by inflammation of one or more of the three main branches of the facial nerves. Due to the constricted areas these nerves pass through, inflammation can cause swelling which cuts off the nerves and so paralyses part of the face. This paralysis can be permanent, but usually is temporary and lasts at most a few weeks. It's actually a fairly common condition and often comes on after a cold. Has the vaccine caused it? At this point basically impossible to say for sure. If, going forward, the vaccine is found to cause Bell's palsy in a sizeable percentage of those that took it, then that would be a cause of concern. This and other side effects and possible complications will have to be watched for and assessed as they arise. One person developing a common condition after a vaccination does not mean the vaccine is for sure dangerous. I like that she mentioned she's a nurse by the way, as if that has anything to do with anything. She could be the head of the CDC and it wouldn't matter because she is one person with one condition that she CANNOT say for sure is vaccine related. As a nurse, she should know that science requires more than one case study to show a trend. If I get the vaccine and then fall off a roof, I'm not going to blame the vaccine for breaking my leg. Causality has to be proven first.

I was with you until you said your leg wouldn't be caused by the vaccine.

Well if the vaccine had an affect on balance or leads to an inexplicable fascination with roof tiles then it could be :D

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All the rodents involved in the non-placebo group ended up injured.

https://i.imgur.com/BRPCIcW.jpg

Additional information is forthcoming.

I chuckled at this picture, then got kinda sad.

IronGoober wrote on Dec 27^th, 2020 at 8:08pm:

I chuckled at this picture, then got kinda sad.

@IG- Don't worry I bet he was on the best rodent drugs cheese can buy.


So we had a covid patient about an hour ago. Strangely enough the thing that kind of scares me the most is the intense headache people seem to get. Just writhing in agony from it. Phew that guy earlier...I would not want to take his place. Yeesh.

I'm booked in for the vaccine tomorrow.

Don't worry Jauke, if I:

- develop HIV
- have absolutely nothing happen and have to wait for the next vaccine (with all the nasty stuff in it)
- have my DNA altered (if this does happen I want a chameleon tongue)
- become a Satanist
- die
- develop Bell's palsy

you'll be the first to know  ;)

And he was never heard from again...

just imagine if the vaccine is placebo, no one would ever know :P
years later politicians: those mfs stayed in and obeyed us only to get their arms pricked

I'd love to see this joke developed by a comedian

https://www.businessinsider.com/la-covid-19-vaccine-patients-get-apple-wallet-digital-reminder-2020-12

So now proof of taking the vaccine can be stored in your apple wallet or equivalent Google platform. Next step will be businesses refusing to serve anyone without proof of the vaccine and that is pretty darn close to the mark prophecy. As I said I don’t think this “right now” is the mark but I do believe that everything is being set up very nicely to implement it when that time comes.

I know I know, I’m full of it. So be it. Won’t be the first time I’ve been accused of that.  ;D The reason I don’t believe it’s the actual mark is because I believe there is an aspect of free will that has to be accomplished before someone can truly take it. To the vast majority of people this is just a vaccine. To me as well.

IMO, People should be open to the idea that there really are evil people who would seek to tag every last person like cattle if they could. Regardless if this is a prophecy coming to fruition or just an idea whose time has come this would send up giant red flags to me even if I was atheist or “insert belief system here.” A friend of mine is atheist and he’s come more and more to the belief that something is wrong with all of this, although both he and I can’t quite say what.

Ok people rip into me. I can take it.  ;D ;D

Please refuse the injection, Kick.

Or am I making you take it by saying don't take it? If that is so, please don't let it be so !

You could still postpone it, and say to them you just want to do more research in what you are injecting into yourself with before you decide. 

I know many nurses here who are saying they do not want this, because they see their hospitals not full at all, and the lies of our government. They do not want to be lab rats for an experimental injection, and that is their full right.

Listen, I appreciate the concern, but currently the two options I have is to believe in hundreds of years of peer-reviewed scientific research, the support of near all of the worlds most eminent minds and my own understanding of how infectious diseases work OR I can believe the evidence you have put forward: individual unsubstantiated experiences, completely unsupported hearsay and conjecture, misinformation and, to cap it all, the whole thing being wrapped up in Bronze Age mythology filtered through thousands of years of mistranslations and editing.

Forgive me for going with the former. I know the latter has that flair of drama and a cinematic quality to it, but I've found real life to be far more mundane than that. All I ask is that when this theory falls apart, you won't come back to this thread and delete your posts.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/who-warns-vaccinated-travellers-could-still-need-to-be-quarantined-20201229-p56qk3.html


WHO's chief scientist Dr Soumya Swaminathan told a virtual press conference that there was no evidence yet that people who had been vaccinated could enter countries such as Australia without the risk of spreading the disease.

Asked by The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age what this would mean for Australia's quarantine program, Swaminathan said "I don't believe we have the evidence on any of the vaccines to be confident that it's going to prevent people from actually getting the infection and therefore being able to pass it on".

AncientCraftwork wrote on Dec 29^th, 2020 at 3:31pm:

Or am I making you take it by saying don't take it? If that is so, please don't let it be so !

Yeah... no. I'm not getting a vaccine in order to spite you. This might surprise you, but the reasons I'm getting the vaccine have absolutely nothing to do with you in fact. I am basing my decision on facts, science and evidence, not the approval or disapproval of someone on an internet forum. The fact you think that would be enough to sway me either way, perfectly demonstrates how what we each believe amounts to compelling arguments are on opposite ends of the spectrum.

I know I am not the best person to bring this news to you considering my past here, but not many seem bto be doing it and I feel obliged and I will continue, even if its in vain

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaYkmGbcebc

AncientCraftwork wrote on Dec 29^th, 2020 at 4:15pm:

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/who-warns-vaccinated-travellers-could-still-need-to-be-quarantined-20201229-p56qk3.html WHO's chief scientist Dr Soumya Swaminathan told a virtual press conference that there was no evidence yet that people who had been vaccinated could enter countries such as Australia without the risk of spreading the disease. Asked by The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age what this would mean for Australia's quarantine program, Swaminathan said "I don't believe we have the evidence on any of the vaccines to be confident that it's going to prevent people from actually getting the infection and therefore being able to pass it on".

Yet again, you show your ignorance. Getting a vaccine is no guarantee. Ever. It might be that I don't have a strong enough immune response to become immune. It might be that a new mutation makes the vaccine moot. There are many reasons a vaccine might fail. No-one is claiming 100% effectiveness. I UNDERSTAND THIS BECAUSE I KNOW HOW VACCINES ARE SUPPOSED TO WORK. You obviously do not.

Did you actually read the full article? It even has Dr Mike Ryan, director of WHO's Health Emergencies say:

"The likely scenario is the virus will become another endemic virus, a virus will remain somewhat of a threat but a very low level threat in the context of an effective global vaccination program. The existence of a vaccine, even at a high efficacy, there's no guarantee of eliminating or eradicating an infectious disease, that is a very high bar for us to be able to get over. First and foremost we have to focus on saving lives, getting good control of this epidemic so our societies can return to normal and then we will deal with the moonshot of potentially being able to eliminate or eradicate this virus. But at this point, based on the tools and the knowledge we have, that's impossible to say at this point.

This is known about vaccines. This has always been known.

AncientCraftwork wrote on Dec 29^th, 2020 at 4:19pm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaYkmGbcebc

Great a YouTube video of someone that had their YouTube account terminated for breaking community guidelines, is not supported in their views by the university they were a lecturer at, have been fact checked and had his theses on the Covid 19 pandemic described as unscientific. I wonder how much he made from his book about Covid?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sucharit_Bhakdi#Prominence_during_COVID-19_pandemic

Alright Kick and J... I think I'm going to have to separate you two
  >:(  :madmonkey:  >:(

The only way to settle this is to see what sort of evil swamp creature Kick turns into after he takes the vaccine.  Since Kick seems to already have his mind made up about taking it, all we can do now is sit back and watch what happens.

In all seriousness Kick, I am hoping the vaccine works well for you and has no negative side effects.  As I said before, I am not anxious to take it, but I expect more harm will come from a combination of incompetence and carelessness in the supply chain rather than conspiratorial nefariousness.  Either way... please keep us posted on how it goes.

I intend to. My grandmother has already had her first injection in the UK last week. So far hasn't grown horns or joined any Satanic cabals.

I have a friend that got vaccinated quite some time ago.  She works in the bio department for a university, so was part of early trials.  She said she was a little groggy afterward for about 1/2 a day.  No real surprise there.  Zero issues after that.

I'll be in line as soon it's available to me.  I'm not in any of the high priority categories, so it could still be a while.

https://notthebee.com/article/spain-is-keeping-a-registry-of-people-who-refuse-the-covid-vaccine-and-sharing-it-with-other-eu-nations-but-thats-no-big-deal-and-theres-absolutely-nothing-to-worry-about

Edit: Shortened...
https://bit.ly/2KLpcvE

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They... do have vaccines for flu though. I got the flu vaccine this year. I get it every year. Flu is very different to coronavirus because it has a high level of mutation, higher than Covid. Because of this, new vaccines have to be produced to combat the most prevalent strains. They've been doing this for a number of years now and it's really not fishy at all. I think everyone here is confused about the goal of vaccination. It's not always to eradicate a disease because sometimes (oftentimes) it's simply not possible. It's to limit disease and reduce the spread of infections in the same way a fire break isn't to prevent fire from ever happening again, it's to stop the spread of a specific fire. People keep saying they've "done their research" and then prove they definitely haven't.

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a wrote on Dec 30^th, 2020 at 4:24am:

At that level it could be for any agenda whatsoever including having zero to do with combating disease. My country recently lost 85 babies and kids to measles, during the crisis we saw every single agenda at top level and almost all other levels except saving those kids. Mainly it was viewed as a business opportunity by everyone in govt or health. Donated vaccines disappeared from the hospital and ended up in private clinics which sprang up from nowhere. The PM's nephew was charging people $30 to cure them with a sprinkling of kangen water. One new company got half a million $$ for tent hirage of a couple of tents for a couple of months...... it was ridiculous. Huge amounts of donated money just disappeared while the hospital said it had no food or nappies and some of us in the private sector ended up feeding everyone. So forgive me if I'm wary of any poopy that happens on a big scale.  ;)

One of the many reasons that I'm wary of financial aid. This happens all over the world.

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a wrote on Dec 30^th, 2020 at 6:33am:

Morphy wrote on Dec 30th, 2020 at 5:40am: This happens all over the world. Yep, and it's about to happen with COVID vaccine written all over it.... COVID has already mutated into numerous strains, there is no vaccine that will work.

Someone's getting rich off all this and it's not you and it's not me lol. That's all I need to know. I know a guy who knows a guy that said while 5G is causing Covid the word on the street is that 6G will cure it. So hold on boys, help is coming.

a wrote on Dec 30^th, 2020 at 6:37am:

BREAKING NEWS!! A new test has found that 9 out of 10 rats exposed to 5G for a prolonged period were found to be immune to COVID-19!!

You must be bored again Kilisi.  How long do you think you will be able to stoke the fires of controversy on one thread ?  It’s been a pretty good run already.

Morphy wrote on Dec 30^th, 2020 at 8:36am:

a wrote on Dec 30th, 2020 at 6:33am: Morphy wrote on Dec 30th, 2020 at 5:40am: This happens all over the world. Yep, and it's about to happen with COVID vaccine written all over it.... COVID has already mutated into numerous strains, there is no vaccine that will work. Someone's getting rich off all this and it's not you and it's not me lol. That's all I need to know. I know a guy who knows a guy that said while 5G is causing Covid the word on the street is that 6G will cure it. So hold on boys, help is coming.

As an owner of a small e-commerce side-business, I actually may profit off of all these lockdowns because people are buying more stuff online. That doesn’t mean I am doing anything to perpetuate the situation though. I’m just giving the people what they want under the circumstances.

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NooneOfConsequence wrote on Dec 30^th, 2020 at 9:08am:

Morphy wrote on Dec 30th, 2020 at 8:36am: a wrote on Dec 30th, 2020 at 6:33am: Morphy wrote on Dec 30th, 2020 at 5:40am: This happens all over the world. Yep, and it's about to happen with COVID vaccine written all over it.... COVID has already mutated into numerous strains, there is no vaccine that will work. Someone's getting rich off all this and it's not you and it's not me lol. That's all I need to know. I know a guy who knows a guy that said while 5G is causing Covid the word on the street is that 6G will cure it. So hold on boys, help is coming. As an owner of a small e-commerce side-business, I actually may profit off of all these lockdowns because people are buying more stuff online. That doesn’t mean I am doing anything to perpetuate the situation though. I’m just giving the people what they want under the circumstances.

No worries NOOC, Neither of us are being serious here.  If you are benefitting from the pandemic imagine how I'm doing. As crass as this sounds we are not exactly hurting for job security atm. I don't like to have that at the expense of others but it's also not up to me. I'm sure you feel the same. By the way regardless of your previous post I'm still not convinced you aren't part of the Illuminati.

a wrote on Dec 30^th, 2020 at 9:34am:

NooneOfConsequence wrote on Dec 30th, 2020 at 9:08am: As an owner of a small e-commerce side-business, I actually may profit off of all these lockdowns because people are buying more stuff online. Out of interest, how are you finding shipping? Much problems? I've had to give up importing for most of the year which has cost me a fair bit in missed sales.

The business is a part-time two person operation. We aren’t set up and don’t have the capacity for international sales, but we occasionally get a few overseas sales directly from an Amazon warehouse. Exports for those are handled by Amazon, so we don’t touch the paperwork or decide the shipping method. For domestic sales direct from my inventory, I can do UPS or USPS without much trouble. We stopped shipping via the US postal service for a couple weeks before Christmas though, because we wanted customers to actually receive what they ordered in a timely fashion... it was an expensive decision, but keeps people happy and gets Christmas presents where they need to be on time. Now that Christmas is over, we’re back to using both services depending on the situation again.   

Done. Next one on the 20th. Was told side effects might include muscle pain, mild fever that shouldn't last more than 24 hours at the most and headache. Advice was to take a paracetamol and just ride it out. Basically exactly the same as the flu vaccine. I had no side effects from the flu one except a dead arm for a few days so I'm not too worried. This one hurt a lot less than the flu one incidentally. Maybe can kind of feel it in my arm now (been about half an hour) but not really painful.

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Oh the HORROR!

... wait. No. Kick always looked that way. Never mind.

;D

Morphy wrote on Dec 30^th, 2020 at 9:40am:

By the way regardless of your previous post I'm still not convinced you aren't part of the Illuminati.

I have a flashlight in my pocket. Does that count?

I slowly zoomed in to those now soulless eyes and as your pupil came near to filling my screen all I could think was "what horrors have you seen?"

https://i.imgur.com/IuGslaO.jpg

Oh no!  It's much worse than I could've ever imagined!!!

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@J I want to get serious for a very brief moment.

I appreciate your concerns and your attempt to warn us all about what you see as an evil plot.  I looked into your claims, and I do disagree with your interpretation of the facts, but I don't think less of you for having concerns about what amounts to a very strange sequence of circumstances this year.   While I have taken this vaccine/mark-of-the-beast thing as an opportunity to poke fun at both Morphy and Kick, I hope you don't feel like I am poking fun at you too.  That was not my intent.

If you are right about it, then it’s not something to laugh at.
 

Definitely not making fun. You can view most of my posts as a man with ADHD desperately trying to avoid being bored. I don't agree with anyone 100% on this thread but I find the views and the passion behind it very interesting. Hopefully we can have these discussions and not take it all too personally. I want Kilisi's dreams of killing boredom to remain pure.

@kilisi, you said you have had shipping troubles... what do you sell? 

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I also am only slightly ribbing. I feel as a healthcare worker, particularly one that works with immunocompromised at risk people, an obligation to challenge inaccurate health misinformation. Sadly that's what I've found all of the "evidence" J has posted to be.

Update:
Last night,  by the time I got to bed, my arm felt basically completely fine.  Now I've woken up,  my arm is hurting a bit,  but still less than the flu vaccine. No fever, no headache. I feel fine.

Now,  quick point I want to make. I don't want anyone to think that if I have a neutral (or positive) experience with this vaccine that I will be using that as evidence that the vaccine is fine and perfectly safe. No. For exactly the same reasons I dismissed the nurse who developed Bell's palsy as being only a singular experience with no causal link to the vaccine, if I have no reaction or very little reaction, that does not, ON ITS OWN, mean the vaccine is safe and fine. My experience is a singular experience, more wide scale studies and monitoring is required to assess the true safety of the vaccine. I wouldn't want to fall into the same traps I argued against. I can speak only for my experience.

Kick wrote on Dec 31^st, 2020 at 2:55am:

I also am only slightly ribbing. I feel as a healthcare worker, particularly one that works with immunocompromised at risk people, an obligation to challenge inaccurate health misinformation. Sadly that's what I've found all of the "evidence" J has posted to be. Update: Last night,  by the time I got to bed, my arm felt basically completely fine.  Now I've woken up,  my arm is hurting a bit,  but still less than the flu vaccine. No fever, no headache. I feel fine. Now,  quick point I want to make. I don't want anyone to think that if I have a neutral (or positive) experience with this vaccine that I will be using that as evidence that the vaccine is fine and perfectly safe. No. For exactly the same reasons I dismissed the nurse who developed Bell's palsy as being only a singular experience with no causal link to the vaccine, if I have no reaction or very little reaction, that does not, ON ITS OWN, mean the vaccine is safe and fine. My experience is a singular experience, more wide scale studies and monitoring is required to assess the true safety of the vaccine. I wouldn't want to fall into the same traps I argued against. I can speak only for my experience.

The internet, generally speaking,  is the mob and the mob has a hard time with nuance. 

I feel the same way if I end up getting a particularly bad case of covid, hell if I die from it. That singular experience doesn't negate the average stats we have on this disease, or the vaccine or anything else.  Let's be balanced here. Honestly if I do end up getting covid I hope it's not too bad because some of the best sleep I've ever had was while sick. Almost makes it worth it. Almost.

Another quick update:
Arm muscle has been aching all day. Not unbearably but it's been slightly annoying. Same as the flu vaccine I would say. I haven't taken any paracetamol but I might just before going to bed. Don't want to roll over and get woken up. So far nothing that they didn't warn me about; they straight up said my arm would be hurting so yeah. I expect it will be better by tomorrow. Still no other symptoms, my craving for the flesh of the innocent hasn't increased too much and I'm pretty sure I remember having goat legs before the injection so all good!

Kick wrote on Dec 31^st, 2020 at 1:58pm:

Another quick update: Still no other symptoms, my craving for the flesh of the innocent hasn't increased too much and I'm pretty sure I remember having goat legs before the injection so all good!

Nothing like roast long pig to sate your infernal hunger.

Maybe the transformation won't occur until Kick is exposed to the 5G radiation.

(@Kilisi... you're welcome! We'll get this thread back on track eventually :) )

These are the vaccine shenanigans that I worry about: 57 people were vaccinated with improperly refrigerated doses that aren’t effective... making them think they’re safe from the virus...

https://www.foxnews.com/us/covid-19-vaccine-wisconsin-hospital

And there's no way to know if a batch you got was slightly too warm during any part of the process. The logistics of giving this many people a new vaccine is going to lead to some interesting complications.

Update: probably final one actually because my arm isn't really hurting at all now. It does a tiny bit if I poke at where I got injected. I feel absolutely fine. I've had no headache, fever or other flu-like symptoms. Only thing I've had is pain in my arm which had reduced so much by the time I went to bed yesterday I didn't even take that paracetamol I was thinking about. I would rate my vaccine experience a 6 out of 10. It would have been higher if I got a lollypop and a more "fun" plaster like when I was kid. I just got a boring one. I would have wanted a Ghostbusters one. That would be cool.

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Troll alert! Kilisi’s bored again!

I support your curiosity 100% Kilisi.

China seems intent on pointing fingers anywhere except China. If the virus wasn’t engineered in a lab, who cares where it came from?  It really doesn’t matter if this was some freak incident of nature.

If, however, China engineered it in a lab and released it on the world (accidentally or intentionally), then they would have a good reason to lie about its origins to avoid being held responsible. 

NooneOfConsequence wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2021 at 8:43am:

China seems intent on pointing fingers anywhere except China. If the virus wasn’t engineered in a lab, who cares where it came from?  It really doesn’t matter if this was some freak incident of nature. If, however, China engineered it in a lab and released it on the world (accidentally or intentionally), then they would have a good reason to lie about its origins to avoid being held responsible.

You have to understand Chinese psychology and "loss of face." 

They have tiny penises and low self esteem.  When you accuse them of wrongdoing, they instinctively curl into a ball and start to cry.

Okay, that last sentence was a big of an exaggeration, but the small carrot and low self esteem stuff is completely true.

It doesn't need to be engineered for them to blame other countries. It's the same as North Korea. Everything has to be perfect and a large component of this is the Chinese food culture and large number of exotic animal wet markets. It's a bad look. People are saying China is dirty, that they're disgusting for eating those animals, that they're cruel for treating animals that way. It's a bad look for a country that is expanding across the globe and is constantly striving for absolute control over their image. It's why Winnie the Pooh is banned in China. I don't believe it was manufactured because there is no evidence of it. There have been warnings from experts that those wet markets were a ticking time bomb and that a coronavirus was likely to be the next pandemic considering what we saw already with SARS and MERS. Occam's Razor is telling me that a virus transmitting to humans from an animal vector in a way we've seen happen before, is far more likely than the admittedly more exciting "lab grown bio-weapon accident or was it?".

Bioweapons being a thing? I don't doubt that for a second. Humans have bee using bioweapons for almost all of our history and silly little things like international laws aren't going to stop anyone, but I don't feel like this makes all that much sense. A totally novel virus found in bats is a weird choice. How would they know it would do anything? If it was intentional then it's a pretty huge own goal because of what I just wrote above. Having a virus go pandemic on your watch just isn't good for business and that's what they care about.

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Oxnate wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2021 at 10:26am:

NooneOfConsequence wrote on Jan 2nd, 2021 at 8:43am: China seems intent on pointing fingers anywhere except China. If the virus wasn’t engineered in a lab, who cares where it came from?  It really doesn’t matter if this was some freak incident of nature. If, however, China engineered it in a lab and released it on the world (accidentally or intentionally), then they would have a good reason to lie about its origins to avoid being held responsible.  You have to understand Chinese psychology and "loss of face."  They have tiny penises and low self esteem.  When you accuse them of wrongdoing, they instinctively curl into a ball and start to cry. Okay, that last sentence was a big of an exaggeration, but the small carrot and low self esteem stuff is completely true.

You know 10 pages ago if you had asked me what direction this thread would go, that^ is not one of the guesses I would've given.

The Chinese have done quite well in terms of business. They are the sole supplier of many medical supplies.

The stories just keep rolling in... this sort of thing was inevitable with all the rush:

https://www.theblaze.com/news/dozens-of-west-virginia-patients-mistakenly-administered-the-wrong-shot-instead-of-the-coronavirus-vaccine

NooneOfConsequence wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2021 at 9:04pm:

The stories just keep rolling in... this sort of thing was inevitable with all the rush: https://www.theblaze.com/news/dozens-of-west-virginia-patients-mistakenly-administered-the-wrong-shot-instead-of-the-coronavirus-vaccine

It's bound to happen. Kick hasn't gone into metamorphosis yet so there's hope for us. At the very least I would like to see what his exoskeleton ends up looking like before making my decision on the vaccine.

Well, the good news is that Kick’s new appendages can still wield a sling.

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That's fine. I will buy stock in toliet paper for the humans and cat food for the prawns and rule the world.

NooneOfConsequence wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2021 at 8:42am:

Well, the good news is that Kick’s new appendages can still wield a sling.

All 12 of them!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ow0ET-ob3E

They can't make it more obvious can they

AncientCraftwork wrote on Jan 4^th, 2021 at 1:13pm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ow0ET-ob3E They can't make it more obvious can they

Speaking of slinging ice... I wonder if YouTube will put age restrictions on that for drug references. 

It looks like they are just catering to Seattle’s enormous population of homeless drug addicts to me. Maybe you can spell it out for me more clearly J?  I mean, I saw some DNA, and some geometric shapes that could be pentagrams, but I also saw plants and clouds and lines and explosions and stuff. What exactly is the message here?

Only had time to watch a third of this but it was quite interesting. Are you referring to a specific technology J or perhaps the symbolism? I plan on watching the rest but would like to know what I'm looking for?

The comments on that video do quite a good job at it

It all looks really cool, that's all I see.

AncientCraftwork wrote on Jan 5^th, 2021 at 10:48am:

The comments on that video do quite a good job at it

The comments reference luciferian symbolism.  Sure.  Ok.  It's trippy.  Somebody got a visit from the machine elves this Christmas.  Luciferian symbolism and hallucinogenic drug culture have a lot of overlap in the visual space.  Clearly whoever designed this borrowed heavily from that.  My question is still: So what? How are we supposed to respond to that?

Is there evil in the world?  yes.

Is there some evil plot related to covid-19 or covid-19 vaccinations?  Eh... probably a lot more than one.  There are lots of opportunists in the world, and some of those opportunists plan to do evil things.  There are also a lot of stories of good things like neighbors coming together and helping each other in the midst of hardship.

Are we supposed to be afraid of evil? no. A lot of the opportunity for evil is only an opportunity because people are afraid. 

James 4:7 - Resist the devil and he will flee from you.

J, courage is something I would say you have in spades.  It takes a lot of courage to speak out against something that nobody else understands or agrees with.  Please don't stop now.  I appreciate and admire your courage, but I worry that it is possibly misdirected.  Maybe I just don't understand though. I still don't see what this evil plot is that I am supposed to be fighting against here. 

We know that you think the vaccine is the means by which this plot will be executed, but I have some questions about the mechanics of this evil plot:

Who is perpetrating the plot? What is their philosophical drive?  Satanists?  Anarchists?  Communists? Socialists? Fascists? Occultic zealots? Something else?

What is the goal of this plot?  You mentioned fundamental transformation of a person's being, and you also mentioned mass slaughter.  To what end?  What does that accomplish for the plotters?

How will this cabal maintain the secrecy of their evil scheme long enough to actually pull the scheme off?

AncientCraftwork wrote on Jan 5^th, 2021 at 10:48am:

The comments on that video do quite a good job at it

I like hearing all sides. If you feel like sharing your side privately or on here Jauke please feel free.

I'll be lucky to remember to watch it.  ;)

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Can't tell if you are joking or being serious.

I’m pretty sure Kilisi is still trying to get the thread back to the original topic. Good luck with that K.

AncientCraftwork wrote on Jan 4^th, 2021 at 1:13pm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ow0ET-ob3E They can't make it more obvious can they

All the best evil plots secretly reveal themselves through virtual firework displays. What exactly would they gain by telling everyone through symbolism of one Seattle New Year's Eve display?

a wrote on Jan 5^th, 2021 at 5:02pm:

I've heard from a reliable source that 9 out of 10 test rats that have survived COVID undergo rapid gene mutation when exposed to 5G. The 5G acts like a trigger.

I've heard that 12 out of 16 people are actually Adrian Brody in disguise.

NooneOfConsequence wrote on Jan 5^th, 2021 at 8:10pm:

I’m pretty sure Kilisi is still trying to get the thread back to the original topic. Good luck with that K.

You are probably right but that still doesn't tell me if he's joking or not. This whole thread confuses me lol especially some of your later posts Kilisi. Was this a legit view point/question or just getting people talking. Either way I like them both lol.  ;)

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a wrote on Jan 6^th, 2021 at 6:30am:

Morphy wrote on Jan 6th, 2021 at 5:55am: NooneOfConsequence wrote Yesterday at 8:10pm: I’m pretty sure Kilisi is still trying to get the thread back to the original topic. Good luck with that K. You are probably right but that still doesn't tell me if he's joking or not. This whole thread confuses me lol especially some of your later posts Kilisi. Was this a legit view point/question or just getting people talking. Either way I like them both lol. Disclaimer:-  Except in my professional capacity I am not a reliable source of news or expertise. Think of me as more like a tabloid. I will cheerfully make crap up if I find it amusing.

Welcome home Kilisi.

Oooh! From now on, whenever I need to use an appeal to authority because my arguments are otherwise weak and can’t stand on their merits, I’m going to use Kilisi as my primary source.

“Sure Jaegoor, you may have won international championships and run a school for slingers, but Kilisi said...”

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You guys and your Covid and your 5G and your pregnant zombie rats.  SMH

A NEW UPDATE!

I'm still fine. I've had absloutely no symptoms other than about 2 days of an achey arm which I get every time I get a vaccine.

All the residents of our ward got the first round a few days ago. No other symptoms than hurty arms so far. My coworker has had some side effects. She said before she got it that she always has low level allergic reactions to them and has a number of allergies. She had the arm pain but then got an itchy feeling all over. Then she got hit with feeling exhausted all the time. She was sleeping 12 or more hours but was still feeling like she could fall asleep standing up. Antihistamines did nothing but she got stronger stuff from the doctor and is now back at work so yeah. Apparently some other carers on some of the other wards also had some tiredness. That's the most extreme side effect I've heard about so far. Getting my second round on the 20th (if I can book a time) so let's see how that goes.

Kick 3 days from now.





https://i.imgur.com/fmh6Hk4.jpg

Egads, man! I can’t unsee that!

That's the Pfizer vaccine at work.



The Moderna one is a little different.



https://i.imgur.com/kWYzGQ4.jpg

Call me old fashioned but I still prefer being a Saustritch. 

Another update:

Literally just got (like 20 minutes ago) the second shot. I know this thread died a bit and I considered making a new one but this keeps it all together. I've been told that the second shot usually leads to a slight fever and... well... loose stool so I'm... really... looking forward to that.

On a more serious note, I'm sure you've all seen I post on the forum a lot, probably more than I should. It almost certainly went unnoticed, but over the last two weeks,  I've posted less and when I have my replies have been pretty short. I've noticed it at least. Why is this? I've been busy. Why have I been busy? Our ward got hit by corona.

We went the whole of 2020 without a single case, but finally our luck ran out. I can't give out numbers, but safe to say, essentially our entire ward caught corona including a few carers. One person died before they could be tested, but there's no doubt in my mind corona killed them. They had symptoms. We are likely to lose at least one other (they may have already died,  I was off work yesterday). Due to a variety of reasons,  I was the last nurse standing that was a long term employee on our ward. There were a few days I was the only person there that had been on that ward more than a day. To say it's been stressful would be to understate just how much pressure myself and my colleagues have been under. I posted about this elsewhere, but this all kicked off literally less than a month after I was diagnosed with panic disorder. So yeah. I've not had a good time.

Now, I can hear you saying "But Kick, your residents all got vaccinated!" Yes, they did get the first shot, but we believe the were infected a few days before those shots. One shot isn't enough to give full protection and it takes a few days for it to truly become effective. We were just too late. That being said, one of the nurses brought in to help cover had worked last year on a ward that got hit by corona, and she was saying that, in comparison to those patients, ours are doing much better. They are all very ill, and, as I said, one died and another is surely soon to go, but they are still overall doing much better. They aren't in need of oxygen, they aren't in unbearable pain. For the most part, they have a slight cough and feel crappy. Did the vaccine help some of them keep the worst of the symptoms at bay? I don't  know and I don't think it can be known at this point. This is simply a singular interesting observation.

I'll update again if i develop symptoms from the vaccine because I feel it is important to document it, but again, this is just my experience and my word is not enough to base your decision to get the vaccine on. Hard science is.

If you aren't getting the vaccine, at least, for the love of all that is holy, wear a mask and stay away from crowds. I had to phone the daughter of the person that died. It was not fun.

Yeah... The vaccine which has currently been rolled out across multiple countries including to all of the care homes and all of the healthcare stuff in the entirety of Finland is actually the virus, but has lead to an outbreak on just our ward.

You might just be trolling Kilisi, but honestly, I'm past joking about the virus and, if you're being serious, then you're just making yourself look like a complete idiot.

Ooff.

Kick I saw you were posting less and you kind of had me worried my man. I knew you were going through some serious stuff. Thanks for the update though.  I hope things getting a little easier once they get their second shot.

We had a patient yesterday that was one of the strangest things I've ever seen. When I get a chance today I'll explain more. I think you might find it strange as well.

EDIT: Ok, story time. Picked up a patient suffering from respiratory distress at home yesterday. Patient was A&Ox4 with a GCS of 15. Patient was a little pale but otherwise answering questions at his baseline which is minor occasional confusion secondary to early onset dementia.

Everything normal so far right? Get this. This patient had a SPO2 level of 38%. Yes 38%, conscious, talking, answering all questions without too much difficulty. For those who dont know usually a patient at 70% unless they have very severe COPD is super cyanotic, in respiratory failure and on their way to pushing daisies unless immediate action is taken. At 50% unless you can get their O2 up quick you kiss their ass goodbye usually brain damage sets in above that level, paralysis, acidosis (which is very dangerous all by itself) and all the fun things that go with it.  50% O2 isn’t really half your ability to oxygenate. Your ability falls off rapidly like going off a cliff around 70% so the decrease is not linear in other words....just mind blowing. This case is the equivalent of a guy having a double traumatic amputation of both legs, squirting blood so profusely as to make Jackson Pollock spin in his grave and chatting about the weather. Just weird.

ANYWAYS, that’s my story. I’ve always loved Pathophysiology. So this really interested me.  :D

@Kick... hang in there man. That’s really rough.

@Morphy... my first thought is: was it a faulty sensor? 
My second thought: if the sensor is working, how was the O2 level measured and where on the body?  The sensor must be placed in one spot, and it’s assumed that it represents a systemic reading, but there may have been a weird phenomenon where most of the body was getting O2 except where it was measured. Otherwise it doesn’t make sense that a patient would be ok.

@Kilisi - major foul man. This is not YOUR thread. This is a public forum. Don’t be an ass. There’s a time to joke around and then there’s a time to be serious or at the very least not say anything at all. It doesn’t matter what thread or what topic the conversation happens on. You don’t own this forum, and that attitude is not welcome here.

NooneOfConsequence wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2021 at 8:24am:

@Kick... hang in there man. That’s really rough. @Morphy... my first thought is: was it a faulty sensor?  My second thought: if the sensor is working, how was the O2 level measured and where on the body?  The sensor must be placed in one spot, and it’s assumed that it represents a systemic reading, but there may have been a weird phenomenon where most of the body was getting O2 except where it was measured. Otherwise it doesn’t make sense that a patient would be ok. @Kilisi - major foul man. This is not YOUR thread. This is a public forum. Don’t be an ass. There’s a time to joke around and then there’s a time to be serious or at the very least not say anything at all. It doesn’t matter what thread or what topic the conversation happens on. You don’t own this forum, and that attitude is not welcome here.

Multiple types of pulse ox's were used. Including the hospitals very accurate one. In different spots on the body. Radial pulse was weak but that shouldn't affect a pulse ox on the earlobe. End Tidal also confirmed this patient was in serious sh1t. He just hadn't figured it out yet. Needless to say we went through all the common problems for pulse ox malfunction.

There are situations where patients can have incredibly low O2 Sats and still be happily chatting away. They are often called "Happy Hypoxics". Covid is one disease process that is known for causing this. However he was negative for Covid. These patients do exist but I've sure as hell never seen one.

EDIT: "COVID-19 is primarily a respiratory illness, and a severe case can reduce the amount of oxygen that the lungs can absorb. Blood oxygen levels have been found to be very low in some COVID-19 patients.

As reported in various media sources, including Science, despite low blood oxygen levels, some patients appear to be functioning without serious issues or even shortness of breath.

According to the authors of the present research, the condition “is especially bewildering to physicians and is considered as defying basic biology.”

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/covid-19-how-do-we-explain-happy-hypoxemia#Silent-hypoxemia

The quote comes from the article. If this subject interests you this is a good read.

Kilisi, I came into work at half 1 and have now been updated on the situation. The person I thought might have died has not died. Yet. She is going to. Very soon. I've been looking after her and watching her deteriorate from brain cancer for over a year. When she arrived, she was walking and talking. Now her eyes don't focus and all she can do is moan.

A second resident isn't looking good. He doesn't have long either. I'm going to have to go inject him with morphine pretty soon to calm his breathing. I've been looking after him for 3 years. I speak English with him a lot. Every time I go into his room he shouts out my name and says "My friend! How are you?" Except he hasn't done that for about a week because he's been too tired. He's not eating or drinking anymore and his dialysis appointment has been cancelled.

I apologise profusely if I didn't find much humour in your joke.

Thank you for the concern Morphy and Nooc. I'm just doing the best I can.

I had heard reports of people with super low O2. Absolutely crazy.

Turns out the morphine wasn't needed. I went to take him some juice and he was dead. So long my friend.

I only said you made you made yourself look like an idiot if you actually believed what you wrote. If you do then... well...

a wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2021 at 11:47am:

NooneOfConsequence wrote on Jan 22nd, 2021 at 8:24am: @Kilisi - major foul man. This is not YOUR thread. This is a public forum. Don’t be an ass. Really? One person called me a complete idiot, now you're calling me an ass, and I'm the one with the attitude?.... kind of lame man. I'd be offended if I was that type.

I’m calling it how I see it K. If you find that offensive, then you lack the self-awareness and humility to realize that your joking was inappropriate and that you were acting like an ass.

https://i.imgur.com/suqEEPS.jpg

If that meme is true I'm a god damn Olympic level athlete ;D

Kick wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2021 at 2:36pm:

If that meme is true I'm a god damn Olympic level athlete ;D

You and me both buddy. I had one once before I got into the medical field and straight up thought I was having a heart attack. Crazy stuff. Anxiety and panic attacks are super common calls for us. It's affecting tons of people. Wish I knew what was causing it.

a wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2021 at 11:49am:

No worries, I'm a bit callous to first World problems. I've seen violent messy deaths.

People in the first world have traumatic experiences too Kilisi. I’ve outlived 3 of my children. You’re not the only person to ever suffer. The strong ones work through the emotions and keep showing up instead of hiding behind humor and tough guy acts.  It takes a much bigger person to actually care about others. Kick shows up and cares for people that he knows are going to die... and he keeps caring even when it almost breaks him.  When you mock him for that, you deserve to be called an ass. Get over yourself.

Thank you Nooc.

Vaccine update: Oooo boy. It's been quite a few years since I've had a fever. I forgot how not fun they are. Nothing massively high (37.7C/99.86F last night), but the shivers haven't been all that fun. I'm not feeling too bad really, but I do feel "off" despite the fever going down. I'm guessing I'll probably be fine by tomorrow. The positive is that I got to call in sick so no shift for me today and possibly tomorrow (just to be safe) :D

The last time (at least that I remember) I had a fever was when I got norovirus about 12 years ago. That was not fun. I was lying in bed all day and it would come in cycles. I would start feeling worse and worse and worse, drag myself to the bathroom, throw up, feel a bit better, have a glass of water, drag myself back to bed, feel worse and worse and worse, drag myself to the bathroom, throw up and the cycle continued like that all day. I don't remember how hot I got, but it was bad enough that I was delirious. I remember trying to watch the program Come Dine With Me (like a reality show were people go to each other's houses, put on a meal and try to get voted as the best host) and I couldn't follow what was going on in this incredibly formulaic, simple show. That was crazy.

author=664747464D474E4B47465B4D595D4D464B4D280 link=1608369927/185#185 date=1611383670]I’ve outlived 3 of my children.[/quote]
Wow, sorry to hear that bro. This is getting a bit pointless for me, I'll make my way out quietly.

So I guess Kilisi wasn't here for slinging.

Also not sure how going through and removing all your posts is making your way out quietly.  It's actually a fantastic way to draw people's attention.

joe_meadmaker wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2021 at 1:59pm:

So I guess Kilisi wasn't here for slinging. Also not sure how going through and removing all your posts is making your way out quietly.  It's actually a fantastic way to draw people's attention.

Yeah, I'll never understand people who delete everything.  Or try.

Whatever. He can do what he wants.

My fever is gone and I feel much better. All the physical stuff is gone at least. I'm not gonna lie, these past few weeks on top of various things that happened last year, have taken their toll. I wasn't expecting this latest guy's death to hit me as hard as it has. I was already thinking I needed to change up jobs but this is really confirming it for me. We lost 9 residents last year before we even got corona. That was really tough. Now, with two gone and at the very least one more going in the next few (probably) days, I'm thinking I've had my fill. I've lost count of the number of people I've cared for that have died. I kept up to around 17 or so but now I'm not sure. I used to remember all their names as well. I have colleagues that have been working for like 30 years doing the same sort of job and I think I must be built differently or something, I just take it harder it seems. 5 years has been enough. I've got to be honest, I'm glad it hits me hard. I don't want to get too callous. I don't want to get to a point where I just brush it off too easily. Boy, this thread has been a roller coaster and a half...

Sort of getting sick of the whole name change function.

Morphy wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2021 at 6:15pm:

Sort of getting sick of the whole name change function.

Yeah that’s definitely getting old.

Hmmm probably glad I never followed this thread but also half curious.
Now that half the comments are deleted it's actually impossible to follow  🙄

Yeah, I'm really not sure what was said. I followed most of this thread all along and still don't know what just happened.

Should get rid of the whole name change, and delet all posts function.

The problem though is that Kilisi hasn't deleted all of his posts. Like with what J did, some he's edited to just be "a" and so technically he's just edited his post. We'd have to remove the edit function to stop people throwing pathetic hissy fits like this and... I don't even know "covering their tracks"?

I do like the little nugget of humour that this situation has provided. Kilisi portraying himself as some tough, no nonsense, hard ass that got the mildest bit of criticism throwing a tantrum like a toddler, deleting his posts, changing his name and going off for a sulk.

I miss the glory days when people reveled in their assholery as opposed to running from it.  If you are going to troll isn't it counter productive to hide your tracks? Come on people...


Tomas wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2021 at 11:44pm:

Hmmm probably glad I never followed this thread but also half curious. Now that half the comments are deleted it's actually impossible to follow  🙄

I read the whole thread and I'm still a little fuzzy on the purpose of it.

I didn't read this thread from the start so I can't tell what he said but if you, Kilisi, are reading this then I want you to know that I enjoyed your Polynesian perspective and insight into sling hunting and I hope you decide to return some day.

This isnt towards any single person. But there are people on this forum, that need to just chill. Its the internet.  I don't understand the people who try to act like tough guys, cuz in real life they need a reality check due to attitude.  This forum within the last year, has had a few threads that totally went off the rails.  I personally dont like it. This forum is ome of the very few i am on regularly.

Kick thank you for sharing with us. I truly enjoy your presence and hope to continue our journey on this forum together.
You've got class my man 8-)

Morphy wrote on Jan 24^th, 2021 at 6:30am:

I miss the glory days when people reveled in their assholery as opposed to running from it.

Hey... I resemble that :)

There is an art to trolling well. When “a” crossed the line, I definitely channeled my inner asshole in response, but I hope y’all will not be afraid to call me out too when I cross the line. You have my permission ;D

Thank you Tomas. I know I can be antagonistic and can have strong opinions (earlier in this thread that can be seen in abundance), but I like the fact this forum has been a place where we can share our strong opinions. I can say that, as of this moment at least, I have no plans of going anywhere and deleting my scribblings.

vetryan15 wrote on Jan 24^th, 2021 at 8:39am:

This forum is ome of the very few i am on regularly.

I like this forum because there are so many strange topics that always sneaks its way into modern day discussion that really shouldn't do so. These topics, however, are almost completely absent from site.
I get a feeling that we all generally are very rational, realistic and down to earth.

NooneOfConsequence wrote on Jan 24^th, 2021 at 9:41am:

Morphy wrote on Jan 24th, 2021 at 6:30am: I miss the glory days when people reveled in their assholery as opposed to running from it.  Hey... I resemble that :) There is an art to trolling well. When “a” crossed the line, I definitely channeled my inner asshole in response, but I hope y’all will not be afraid to call me out too when I cross the line. You have my permission ;D

Unfortunately everyone’s line is different. Considering the amount of cultures and personality types I think we do fairly well all things considered.

Morphy wrote on Jan 24^th, 2021 at 11:22am:

NooneOfConsequence wrote on Jan 24th, 2021 at 9:41am: Morphy wrote on Jan 24th, 2021 at 6:30am: I miss the glory days when people reveled in their assholery as opposed to running from it.  Hey... I resemble that :) There is an art to trolling well. When “a” crossed the line, I definitely channeled my inner asshole in response, but I hope y’all will not be afraid to call me out too when I cross the line. You have my permission ;D Unfortunately everyone’s line is different. Considering the amount of cultures and personality types I think we do fairly well all things considered.

Very true. Add a language barrier as well, and the potential for misunderstandings is pretty high. It’s impossible to never offend people, but I think we do pretty well in working out our differences most of the time. I’d rather let an offense lead to better understanding. The alternative is to avoid conflict and never learn from the misunderstandings.

In a different context, that’s one of the reasons that  my wife and I are still happily married after almost 20 years. We offend each other quite often (I may do more than my share of the offending), but we just duke it out instead of letting problems simmer under the surface :)

NooneOfConsequence wrote on Jan 24^th, 2021 at 12:02pm:

Morphy wrote on Jan 24th, 2021 at 11:22am: NooneOfConsequence wrote on Jan 24th, 2021 at 9:41am: Morphy wrote on Jan 24th, 2021 at 6:30am: I miss the glory days when people reveled in their assholery as opposed to running from it.  Hey... I resemble that :) There is an art to trolling well. When “a” crossed the line, I definitely channeled my inner asshole in response, but I hope y’all will not be afraid to call me out too when I cross the line. You have my permission ;D Unfortunately everyone’s line is different. Considering the amount of cultures and personality types I think we do fairly well all things considered. Very true. Add a language barrier as well, and the potential for misunderstandings is pretty high. It’s impossible to never offend people, but I think we do pretty well in working out our differences most of the time. I’d rather let an offense lead to better understanding. The alternative is to avoid conflict and never learn from the misunderstandings. In a different context, that’s one of the reasons that  my wife and I are still happily married after almost 20 years. We offend each other quite often (I may do more than my share of the offending), but we just duke it out instead of letting problems simmer under the surface :)

I like how you wrote you apologize as "we just duke it out". I've never heard that marriage idiom before.
I'll have to use that next Friday when I'm scheduled for my weekly apologies.

Morphy wrote on Jan 24^th, 2021 at 12:11pm:

NooneOfConsequence wrote on Jan 24th, 2021 at 12:02pm: Morphy wrote on Jan 24th, 2021 at 11:22am: NooneOfConsequence wrote on Jan 24th, 2021 at 9:41am: Morphy wrote on Jan 24th, 2021 at 6:30am: I miss the glory days when people reveled in their assholery as opposed to running from it.  Hey... I resemble that :) There is an art to trolling well. When “a” crossed the line, I definitely channeled my inner asshole in response, but I hope y’all will not be afraid to call me out too when I cross the line. You have my permission ;D Unfortunately everyone’s line is different. Considering the amount of cultures and personality types I think we do fairly well all things considered. Very true. Add a language barrier as well, and the potential for misunderstandings is pretty high. It’s impossible to never offend people, but I think we do pretty well in working out our differences most of the time. I’d rather let an offense lead to better understanding. The alternative is to avoid conflict and never learn from the misunderstandings. In a different context, that’s one of the reasons that  my wife and I are still happily married after almost 20 years. We offend each other quite often (I may do more than my share of the offending), but we just duke it out instead of letting problems simmer under the surface :) I like how you wrote you apologize as "we just duke it out". I've never heard that marriage idiom before. I'll have to use that next Friday when I'm scheduled for my weekly apologies.

Much like slinging, proper form is very important. The  crook of the elbow of the right arm  goes to the middle of the upper forehead while the left palm extends at about chin level. This way, I can still look her in the eye while simultaneously apologizing and cowering in a corner.

vetryan15 wrote on Jan 24^th, 2021 at 8:39am:

This isnt towards any single person. But there are people on this forum, that need to just chill. Its the internet.  I don't understand the people who try to act like tough guys, cuz in real life they need a reality check due to attitude.  This forum within the last year, has had a few threads that totally went off the rails.  I personally dont like it. This forum is ome of the very few i am on regularly.

My bad if that's me... I've had a pretty stressful time. I'm sure I've snapped at times.  :-?

I’m trying to remember what else went off the rails recently.
I vaguely remember when Kick and I tried to start a flame war that one time, but when Kick didn’t like the cut of my jib, it caused me to do some serious self-reflection.  I eventually decided that he was right.  Regardless of the cut, it didn’t make sense to even have a jib since I’m not really into sailing and I’ve never owned a boat.

We band together and uphold each other pretty well.
Nothing wrong with standing up for our friends and values

Morphy wrote on Jan 24^th, 2021 at 7:13pm:

vetryan15 wrote on Jan 24th, 2021 at 8:39am: This isnt towards any single person. But there are people on this forum, that need to just chill. Its the internet.  I don't understand the people who try to act like tough guys, cuz in real life they need a reality check due to attitude.  This forum within the last year, has had a few threads that totally went off the rails.  I personally dont like it. This forum is ome of the very few i am on regularly. My bad if that's me... I've had a pretty stressful time. I'm sure I've snapped at times.  :-?

Definitely not u

On the more serious subject of vaccines, I do have a very real concern about something called antibody-dependent enhacement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antibody-dependent_enhancement

This is a phenomenon where a vaccine appears to work for a little while but then later actually makes the vaccinated person more vulnerable to the disease.  Past attempts at vaccines for other corona viruses (used in the generic sense like a common cold... not COVID-19) have yielded this effect in animal studies.

The current vaccines are still experimental and have not been fully tested for this sort of thing.  I'm not saying that WILL happen, but we just don't know if it's a serious risk or not yet, and since I'm not at a high risk from Covid-19, that's another good reason for me to not want to be one of the first people to take the vaccine.

I've said for awhile now that now that we have the super virulent strain of covid taking over we are one mutation away from the next plague. Hate to put it like that but it's true. Not saying this antibody enhancement will occur but I also see no rush to find out. Let the brave souls get it first.

We are not required to get the shot and since I get tested all the time and have previously been unable to get this disease (the kind of stuff I've had to do with Covid patients is crazy and no covid) so I think I'll wait until we have more understanding of any possible side effects.

NooneOfConsequence wrote on Jan 27^th, 2021 at 11:35am:

This is a phenomenon where a vaccine appears to work for a little while but then later actually makes the vaccinated person more vulnerable to the disease.  Past attempts at vaccines for other corona viruses (used in the generic sense like a common cold... not COVID-19) have yielded this effect in animal studies.

As far as I understand ADE, and  I don't mix with the kinds of people who would set me straight on the subtleties any more, you are pretty much open to the same danger regardless of whether the initial 'challenge' to the immune system came from a vaccine or the infectious agent itself. So you might just as easily run into this if you catch the newer variant (or the pedants might be insisting its a 'strain'?) following catching the original.

In any case I believe it is fair to say that the enhancement is a thing that might happen, rather than will.

The main reservation I have about the novel vaccine types is their selective nature. They only partially mimic the components of the virus, and so only prime one part of the immune system. The infection data suggests that is enough to stop serious illness, but it does mean there is initially a whole chunk of the immune system which isn't primed by the vaccine.

..but then... I used to worry about genetically modified crops, or meddling with anything we don't fully understand.


The whole immune system is immensely complicated and still not fully understood. Personally i think its a miracle most of us don't die young from one or other kind of autoimmune disease.