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Message started by Rat Man on Dec 15th, 2020 at 5:50pm

Title: One Good Survival Tip
Post by Rat Man on Dec 15th, 2020 at 5:50pm
     Though most if not all of us will probably never be stranded in the wild long term and most of us would probably die if we were, it's still fun to discuss survival scenarios.  I thought it might be interesting if everyone gave one good long term survival tip. 
     I'll get the ball rolling.  Eat the eyeballs of any fish and game you capture.  Why?  Salt is a very necessary mineral. Unless you're stranded by the ocean or some other natural source the eyes of your prey will be the only way to get salt into your diet. 
     I've eaten a lot of strange stuff but I've yet to eat eyeballs.  I think I'd have to swallow them whole like a pill. 
      So what's your tip?

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by Morphy on Dec 15th, 2020 at 6:22pm
The pointy end goes into the animal.

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by vetryan15 on Dec 15th, 2020 at 6:57pm
DONT listen toBear Grylls. Don't  drink your pee.

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by NooneOfConsequence on Dec 15th, 2020 at 7:24pm
Hmmm... we’re specifically talking about long-term wilderness survival?  If it’s long term enough to worry about salt deprivation then you probably already have a good way to get food. The best advice then is don’t do dumb stuff that could lead to serious injuries like climbing trees and cliffs without a rope.

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by Morphy on Dec 15th, 2020 at 7:43pm

vetryan15 wrote on Dec 15th, 2020 at 6:57pm:
DONT listen toBear Grylls. Don't  drink your pee.


But...but....

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by Kilisi on Dec 15th, 2020 at 9:50pm
Keep as clean as you can, wash every chance you get. An infection without antibiotics is no fun.

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by Oxnate on Dec 16th, 2020 at 12:15am
1. Unless there's immediate danger, stay where you are.  Rescue crews will start from your last known location.  Staying put is the single smartest move you can make.  (Increases survival rates by around 90%)

1.5. Along with that, tell someone where you're going and when you'll be back so rescue crews do get sent.

2. Shelter first.  A lot of "survival" tips are about food.  Ignore all of them.  You don't NEED to eat in a survival situation.  You can go 30 days without food.  If your situation lasts that long, you're now living where you are or you need to make your own way home.

3. Then clean water.  Even in the desert, getting shelter from the sun (and thus conserving the water in your body) is more important than getting new water in the short term.  You only have three days before you die from lack of water.  Even before you die, dehydration can cause a litany of problems including hallucinations and other mental impairments. 

4. Then fire.  Fire has a great psychological effect on humans.  It will keep you warm at night and help rescuers find you.  Make sure you get 10 times more wood than you think you'll need before you go through the effort of starting the fire.

5. Once you have something to cook your food on, it's finally time to get some food.  If you're near water, fishing is the most energy efficient way of getting food.  Next is trapping.  Foraging is risky unless you already know the plants well.

6. If you have to walk out, follow the water.  The vast majority of human settlements are near water.  Follow a creek downstream to a river and eventually to a town.

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by TOMBELAINE on Dec 16th, 2020 at 2:44am
Keep calm.
Alain Bombard crossed the Atlantic with a zodiac to simply show that fear is the greatest enemy.
Fish, drink rain water and sometimes sea water.
He was a doctor in the navy.

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by J on Dec 16th, 2020 at 4:54am
If you plan on bugging out, take plenty of netting cordage and learn to make gill nets, very simple to do and very effective method of catching fish.

The rudiger fire roll- primitive firemaking method us slingers willl love.

If you have a good pot, I like to boil anything before I eat it, then roast it.

Toothbrush sticks - fresh willow, oak, birch, any fibrous shoot, chew on it and use it as a toothbrush, works superb against plague and getting rid of the food between teeth

Most important of all, pray to God for sustenance.



Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by Kick on Dec 16th, 2020 at 5:32am
Long term survival? Take 5 or 6 other people with you. Humans are social animals and have very rarely lived on their own for extended periods of time successfully. Usually isolated humans go crazy on their own. Studies on social isolation are really fascinating and also sometimes horrifying to read. I read one study on female prisoners kept in isolation for extended periods and some of them started to eat themselves. Yes. Eat themselves. Mental health is no joke and one of the best preventative measures is to not be alone. Anyway, 5 pairs of eyes, 5 brains, 10 hands...

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by TOMBELAINE on Dec 16th, 2020 at 6:03am
And if you are still hungry, you can eat your companions.
But this is a very bad joke.  >:(

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by Curious Aardvark on Dec 16th, 2020 at 6:57am
One survival tip ?

Don't get stranded anywhere remote :-)

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by vetryan15 on Dec 16th, 2020 at 2:08pm

Curious Aardvark wrote on Dec 16th, 2020 at 6:57am:
One survival tip ?

Don't get stranded anywhere remote :-)



Thats the fun part, especially if you can live out there.

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by Oxnate on Dec 16th, 2020 at 7:30pm

J wrote on Dec 16th, 2020 at 4:54am:
Toothbrush sticks - fresh willow, oak, birch, any fibrous shoot, chew on it and use it as a toothbrush, works superb against plague and getting rid of the food between teeth


Please do not treat plague with sticks.  Use antibiotics.

For PLAQUE, however, sticks are decent.

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by Morphy on Dec 17th, 2020 at 9:48am

Oxnate wrote on Dec 16th, 2020 at 7:30pm:

J wrote on Dec 16th, 2020 at 4:54am:
Toothbrush sticks - fresh willow, oak, birch, any fibrous shoot, chew on it and use it as a toothbrush, works superb against plague and getting rid of the food between teeth


Please do not treat plague with sticks.  Use antibiotics.

For PLAQUE, however, sticks are decent.


This is why I no longer eat roadkill out West. The plague in my teeth was murder.

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by J on Dec 17th, 2020 at 11:17am
Rare engelse grapjassen altijd

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by Kick on Dec 17th, 2020 at 11:56am
Bad jokes is what this forum does best. Slinging is secondary  ;)

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by Morphy on Dec 17th, 2020 at 12:24pm

Kick wrote on Dec 17th, 2020 at 11:56am:
Bad jokes is what this forum does best. Slinging is secondary  ;)


If it wasn't for cringey one liners I would have nothing to say. I assume that would be acceptable to most here though.  ;D

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by Kilisi on Dec 17th, 2020 at 1:33pm
Best to get stranded with a bikini model who used to be a girlscout, less wear and tear on clothing etc,... and she'll be able to do the fire, food, shelter and first aid etc,. while you concentrate on important stuff.

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by Rat Man on Dec 18th, 2020 at 3:57pm
Great stuff, guys. At least for the most part. I'll add one more. If at all possible boil your food instead  of roasting it over an open fire. Though roasting tastes better you're in a situation where every calorie matters. Every drop of fat that falls from your dinner into the fire is calories wasted.
    Plus boiling thoroughly cooks fish or game of questionable quality.
Edit:  This is probably just common sense but use ALL of any animal you kill.  Heart, liver, kidneys (ugh), brains, every bit of bone marrow, tongue,  hooves, bird feet, whatever.  You can't afford to be fussy.  Choke down everything.  I'm fortunate in that I like just about everything.  Kidneys are the only thing that would be an effort for me to get down. 

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by Morphy on Dec 18th, 2020 at 5:44pm
Study and practice in the area you live. Know as many edible and useful plants as possible. Most people know indigenous peoples are excellent at survival but if you take them out of their natural enviorment they would die just like us. Knowledge is most important.

The other one I live by is never go into the forest without a knife, paracord and lighter/flint striker. I always have my little hiking backpack so it’s not an issue. Very handy to have just in case.

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by NooneOfConsequence on Dec 18th, 2020 at 10:27pm
Probably the best thing you can do for survival is learn survival skills before you need them.

@Morphy, my area doesn’t have a lot of what most people consider “wilderness”, but if you go west 20-30 miles... there’s still not a lot of wilderness. Maybe 30 miles beyond that you can probably get most of the calories you need from wild hogs if they don’t eat you first (I suspect that you are in a similar boat in your area). Edible plants are just filling in micronutrients, and you’re less likely to accidentally poison yourself eating meat.

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by Morphy on Dec 19th, 2020 at 12:12am
Ya we have no shortage of hogs here in Texas. It seems impossible to get rid of them all even if we wanted to. Meat and really fat is wilderness gold but having done Keto for several years I found appetite fatigue was a big problem.  Any source of carbs/fiber you can get from the wild is very important.

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by Rat Man on Dec 19th, 2020 at 1:59am
   Killing a wild hog would be hitting the survival lottery.  If you didn't have a gun or bow and arrows with you that would be very a challenging but not impossible task.

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by NooneOfConsequence on Dec 19th, 2020 at 3:17am

Rat Man wrote on Dec 19th, 2020 at 1:59am:
   Killing a wild hog would be hitting the survival lottery.  If you didn't have a gun or bow and arrows with you that would be very a challenging but not impossible task.


Absent a firearm... Spears
And if you’re trying to bag a 300lb boar, I think I would prefer to bring along a 300lb Samoan who knows how to use a spear instead of Kilisi’s girl scout. 

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by Slyngorm on Dec 21st, 2020 at 12:31pm
60-70% of the calories hunter-gatherers ingested were from plants. Learn to forage.

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by NooneOfConsequence on Dec 21st, 2020 at 2:06pm

Slyngorm wrote on Dec 21st, 2020 at 12:31pm:
60-70% of the calories hunter-gatherers ingested were from plants. Learn to forage.


They’re also 60% the size of your average adult American... if not less.  I personally like my veggies, but in a long term survival situation, until you classify as a farmer and you’re growing high-carb foods, meat is the best concentration of calories and buys you time to do something other than constantly look for more food (assuming moderate success in hunting).

Obviously if you can just be a rice farmer... do that!

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by Kilisi on Dec 21st, 2020 at 2:52pm

NooneOfConsequence wrote on Dec 19th, 2020 at 3:17am:
I think I would prefer to bring along a 300lb Samoan who knows how to use a spear instead of Kilisi’s girl scout. 

Aw man, that Samoan has no self control with food. Anything you get he'll eat and if he misses one meal you'll start looking like a pork chop. No one uses spears here anyway. It's a fallacy that Islanders are natural survivalists. They're not. Take them from their environment and they're worse off than most due to lack of education.

Pacific Islands are tame environments, almost all the food plants except coconuts are imports. Same with the animals. Even many of the ones that live on the coast don't know how to fish.

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by NooneOfConsequence on Dec 21st, 2020 at 3:22pm
Either way, for big game like wild boar, the spear is underrated. Like Morphy said... pointy end goes in the animal.

Dang it Morphy!  Stop saying stuff I agree with!

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by Morphy on Dec 21st, 2020 at 3:35pm

NooneOfConsequence wrote on Dec 21st, 2020 at 3:22pm:
Either way, for big game like wild boar, the spear is underrated. Like Morphy said... pointy end goes in the animal.

Dang it Morphy!  Stop saying stuff I agree with!


Here's one for you- which would you rather have a fire starting device or a pot to cook in?

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by vetryan15 on Dec 21st, 2020 at 6:11pm
U can find tons of stuff thats useable gor bowls.or carve one out of wood

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by Oxnate on Dec 21st, 2020 at 6:12pm

Morphy wrote on Dec 21st, 2020 at 3:35pm:

NooneOfConsequence wrote on Dec 21st, 2020 at 3:22pm:
Either way, for big game like wild boar, the spear is underrated. Like Morphy said... pointy end goes in the animal.

Dang it Morphy!  Stop saying stuff I agree with!


Here's one for you- which would you rather have a fire starting device or a pot to cook in?


POT!  (Either kind)

Making fire is easy compared to making a pot.  Boiling water is 1,000 times easier with a metal pot.

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by walter on Dec 21st, 2020 at 6:50pm
Agree with Oxnate  ;) Bow drills are easy and fun to make.

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by NooneOfConsequence on Dec 21st, 2020 at 7:56pm

Morphy wrote on Dec 21st, 2020 at 3:35pm:

NooneOfConsequence wrote on Dec 21st, 2020 at 3:22pm:
Either way, for big game like wild boar, the spear is underrated. Like Morphy said... pointy end goes in the animal.

Dang it Morphy!  Stop saying stuff I agree with!


Here's one for you- which would you rather have a fire starting device or a pot to cook in?


Definitely a pot. Entire cultures structured your status in society around ownership of clay pots. With a stainless steel soup pot or an enameled dutch oven... I could rule the world!

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by vetryan15 on Dec 21st, 2020 at 8:44pm
I have to say my response was a joke, i have to confess that i have seen 2 or 3 episodes of naked and afraid,  and i believe it was on that show. But it was a long time ago when i saw it. I do have a few bob, and a few fire kits specific to my location. But with old mans beard, and birch bark growing everywhere up here. Its easy toget a firegoing.

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by Bill Skinner on Dec 21st, 2020 at 11:07pm
As someone who got paid to kill wild pigs, there are very few 300 (150 kg) pound pigs in a herd.  Most will be around 25 to 50 pounds (10-30kg).  Gotta watch out for the big sows more than the boars.  And if you do manage to kill one, cook it well done.  They've got parasites.  Same for any other wild animal.  Rare meat is for domesticated animals that are full of antibiotics. 

Also, be careful eating organ meat.  Again, cook it well done. 

If you have fire, you can make a pot.  Find clay and fire it or use the fire to hollow out a log. 

Best is to learn what edible plants are in the area you're in.  And some others that are common.  Cattail roots can be found year round.  They can be eaten cooked or raw.  And they taste like string.  Dirty string.

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by Slyngorm on Dec 22nd, 2020 at 3:28am

NooneOfConsequence wrote on Dec 21st, 2020 at 2:06pm:

Slyngorm wrote on Dec 21st, 2020 at 12:31pm:
60-70% of the calories hunter-gatherers ingested were from plants. Learn to forage.


They’re also 60% the size of your average adult American... if not less.  I personally like my veggies, but in a long term survival situation, until you classify as a farmer and you’re growing high-carb foods, meat is the best concentration of calories and buys you time to do something other than constantly look for more food (assuming moderate success in hunting).

Obviously if you can just be a rice farmer... do that!


Hunter-gatherers were actually as tall as modern first-world, humans because they ingested a number of calories equivalent to us. They also had more spare time. Early agriculture was extremely labour intensive and thus early farmers were a head shorter than both modern humans and hunter-gatherers living besides them. Unless you referenced the rampant obesity in usa, but you don't need THAT size.

Foraging brought home the bacon because it was a far more secure way of gathering calories. A cavewoman could always wander into the woods and be sure to bring home some plants, nut and eggs. Real life primitive hunters were only successful in bringing down an animal a third of the times they went hunting or so.
Foraging was the main supply of food because of need, not choice. 

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by Morphy on Dec 22nd, 2020 at 7:52am
I would choose a pot as well. Usually some type of fire making device can be made but a steel pot is really difficult to make lol.

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by NooneOfConsequence on Dec 22nd, 2020 at 9:16am
@slyngnorm I would like to see evidence of that statement. I am sure hunter gatherers, like other humans, come in all shapes and sizes, but I doubt that the average plant-based hunter-gatherer was the same size on average as 1st World omnivores who effectively have access to unlimited calories.

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by Oxnate on Dec 22nd, 2020 at 12:02pm

Slyngorm wrote on Dec 22nd, 2020 at 3:28am:

NooneOfConsequence wrote on Dec 21st, 2020 at 2:06pm:

Slyngorm wrote on Dec 21st, 2020 at 12:31pm:
60-70% of the calories hunter-gatherers ingested were from plants. Learn to forage.


They’re also 60% the size of your average adult American... if not less.  I personally like my veggies, but in a long term survival situation, until you classify as a farmer and you’re growing high-carb foods, meat is the best concentration of calories and buys you time to do something other than constantly look for more food (assuming moderate success in hunting).

Obviously if you can just be a rice farmer... do that!


Hunter-gatherers were actually as tall as modern first-world, humans because they ingested a number of calories equivalent to us. They also had more spare time. Early agriculture was extremely labour intensive and thus early farmers were a head shorter than both modern humans and hunter-gatherers living besides them. Unless you referenced the rampant obesity in usa, but you don't need THAT size.

Foraging brought home the bacon because it was a far more secure way of gathering calories. A cavewoman could always wander into the woods and be sure to bring home some plants, nut and eggs. Real life primitive hunters were only successful in bringing down an animal a third of the times they went hunting or so.
Foraging was the main supply of food because of need, not choice. 



:o

You're missing a large point in that comparison.  Farming is much more efficient than hunting/gathering.  It ALLOWED larger families.  H/Gs had fewer kids to start with and a larger percentage of them died early; though those that survived were stronger.  Farming produced more calories, which allowed more children to survive who would otherwise have died.  Larger families meant more workers.  More workers meant that they'd have more excess to sell and more wealth.

Agriculture (even animal powered) is hundreds of times more efficient at producing food than H/G. 

The highest population density ever recorded for H/Gs was 21.6 persons per square mile.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter-gatherer ; And that was only possible due to rich fishing where they lived and the water they fished on not being counted.  The current average for earth is 38 people per square mile.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_density





Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by Oxnate on Dec 22nd, 2020 at 12:14pm

NooneOfConsequence wrote on Dec 22nd, 2020 at 9:16am:
@slyngnorm I would like to see evidence of that statement. I am sure hunter gatherers, like other humans, come in all shapes and sizes, but I doubt that the average plant-based hunter-gatherer was the same size on average as 1st World omnivores who effectively have access to unlimited calories.


2.6 centimeters (1 inch) taller.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2001/05/010529071125.htm

During the 1800s the Native Indian tribes of the American Plains stood tall, literally. According to a recent study published in The American Economic Review, they were then the tallest people in the world. Men stood an average 172.6 centimeters (about 5 feet, 8 inches) tall, a hair or two above Australian men (averaging 172 cm), American men of European decent (171 cm) and European men (170 cm or less).

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by NooneOfConsequence on Dec 22nd, 2020 at 2:44pm

Oxnate wrote on Dec 22nd, 2020 at 12:14pm:

NooneOfConsequence wrote on Dec 22nd, 2020 at 9:16am:
@slyngnorm I would like to see evidence of that statement. I am sure hunter gatherers, like other humans, come in all shapes and sizes, but I doubt that the average plant-based hunter-gatherer was the same size on average as 1st World omnivores who effectively have access to unlimited calories.


2.6 centimeters (1 inch) taller.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2001/05/010529071125.htm

During the 1800s the Native Indian tribes of the American Plains stood tall, literally. According to a recent study published in The American Economic Review, they were then the tallest people in the world. Men stood an average 172.6 centimeters (about 5 feet, 8 inches) tall, a hair or two above Australian men (averaging 172 cm), American men of European decent (171 cm) and European men (170 cm or less).


I stand corrected. When you are a hunter-gatherer on the American plains and your plant-based diet consists largely of BUFFALO... which you hunted with firearms... then you can grow larger than the average first world omnivore  ::)

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by Morphy on Dec 23rd, 2020 at 8:14am
Survival tip-

Foraging and trapping before hunting unless you really know the area and weapon well.

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by Rat Man on Dec 23rd, 2020 at 2:36pm
   Between the pot and the fire starter I'd go for the fire starter.  Obviously there's no need to explain the usefulness of the pot.  I'd say most of us here would be hard pressed to make a fire the old fashioned way.  For those few who possess that skill, what happens if for your first week in the wild it's cold and rainy?  You're screwed and probably dead.  I can cook without a pot and eventually devise one of some sort.  I can't survive without fire.
    As far as surviving on mostly vegetable matter, for me that wouldn't be much of an inconvenience, at least for the short term.   I've been a Vegetarian for pretty good stretches of time.  But long term, there are no vitamin supplements for you to take.  So balanced nutrition would be difficult without meat.  Plus living like that we'd burn a lot more calories.  After a few months of weeds and berries we'd be pretty skinny.  I have a pretty good knowledge of edible plants but surviving on just them would be difficult and dull.  Eating meat would not only be comforting but it would provide much needed fat calories.  I imagine most of my diet would be plants but I'd still be making fish traps, snares, deadfalls, hunting, scavenging, nest and den raiding, or anything else I could thing of to secure some occasional meat. 
    And of course many bugs (ugh) are edible.  Many are fatty like those big white log grubs.  I see people eating them raw on TV.  They look like giant maggots to me.  I'd have to cook them if at all possible.  Grasshoppers don't look that disgusting to me.  I could eat them cooked.  In the army they teach you to eat bugs if you're stranded.  Gross as it may be, they might just keep you alive.

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by Kilisi on Dec 23rd, 2020 at 6:11pm

Rat Man wrote on Dec 23rd, 2020 at 2:36pm:
Many are fatty like those big white log grubs.  I see people eating them raw on TV. 

They're delicious, after you choked down the first you would have no problem eating them cooked or raw.

They taste like peanut butter. Smooth if raw, crunchy if cooked. I bite just behind the head and throw the head away. Not because it's inedible, just because it seems gross to eat somethings head.

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by NooneOfConsequence on Dec 23rd, 2020 at 6:26pm

Morphy wrote on Dec 23rd, 2020 at 8:14am:
Survival tip-

Foraging and trapping before hunting unless you really know the area and weapon well.


For me the operative phrase in the original question is “long term survival”. Hunting and farming make more sense than foraging if you’re stuck somewhere for a long time, and presumably you would know the area you’re in long-term. 

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by walter on Dec 23rd, 2020 at 9:43pm
"... seems gross to eat somethings head."
LOL done only In poor taste   ;)

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by Rat Man on Dec 24th, 2020 at 2:45pm

Kilisi wrote on Dec 23rd, 2020 at 6:11pm:

Rat Man wrote on Dec 23rd, 2020 at 2:36pm:
Many are fatty like those big white log grubs.  I see people eating them raw on TV. 

They're delicious, after you choked down the first you would have no problem eating them cooked or raw.

They taste like peanut butter. Smooth if raw, crunchy if cooked. I bite just behind the head and throw the head away. Not because it's inedible, just because it seems gross to eat somethings head.


You're probably right.  I've eaten and enjoyed many foods some wouldn't touch.  I'd like to add that termites are a very good source of fat.  Yum! 

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by TOMBELAINE on Dec 26th, 2020 at 4:34am
Don't drink to keep all your reflexes  ;D

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by TOMBELAINE on Dec 26th, 2020 at 4:37am
With a good size !
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Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by Rat Man on Dec 26th, 2020 at 2:44pm
   A show like Alone puts long term survival in perspective.  Here you have ten real survival/bushcraft experts going out with ten survival items of their choice and almost all of them have to tap out within a few weeks... in other words in reality they're dead.  Surviving alone for any length of time would be a real challenge for even the best of us.
   I'm a pretty fair shelter builder and with my knowledge of edible plants I like to think that barring injury I'd be OK April into November.  Just walking the dogs on any given day I pass by literally hundreds of pounds of stuff that's perfectly edible.  Surviving the Winter would be a real test for me though.  Winter is tough.

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by Kilisi on Dec 26th, 2020 at 5:24pm

Rat Man wrote on Dec 26th, 2020 at 2:44pm:
ten real survival/bushcraft experts

No offence, but the survival/bushcraft expert guy I saw on youtube was slinging figure 8 in front of him weaker than I can throw by hand. So yeah going by that I'd expect a bushcraft survival expert to be dead within a short period. Your normal Joe Bloggs on the other hand would probably be fine :-)

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by Rat Man on Dec 27th, 2020 at 6:54pm

Kilisi wrote on Dec 26th, 2020 at 5:24pm:

Rat Man wrote on Dec 26th, 2020 at 2:44pm:
ten real survival/bushcraft experts

No offence, but the survival/bushcraft expert guy I saw on youtube was slinging figure 8 in front of him weaker than I can throw by hand. So yeah going by that I'd expect a bushcraft survival expert to be dead within a short period. Your normal Joe Bloggs on the other hand would probably be fine :-)


Most if not all of the people chosen for Alone have very impressive skills.  They aren't the self proclaimed "experts" you find on YouTube.  I take it you've never seen the show.

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by Kilisi on Dec 27th, 2020 at 8:45pm

Rat Man wrote on Dec 27th, 2020 at 6:54pm:
Most if not all of the people chosen for Alone have very impressive skills.  They aren't the self proclaimed "experts" you find on YouTube.  I take it you've never seen the show.

I haven't seen it, I don't actually have a TV.

But I wouldn't be impressed, I know I could easily survive here with no prior tools at all. Same in a New Zealand forest, I could go in naked and be fine.

If I was put in a terrible environment, then in two weeks I could easily cover a long distance until I found a better one. Only an idiot would stay in a barely marginal environment. Find a stream and follow it or something, options are endless.

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by Oxnate on Dec 28th, 2020 at 5:06pm
This guy has some more good tips.

https://youtu.be/wUpQRIEuaG4

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by NooneOfConsequence on Dec 28th, 2020 at 9:33pm
Yup. He was on Alone several seasons ago.

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by Morphy on Dec 29th, 2020 at 9:10am
The three biggest things I learned from Alone- the mental game is at least as hard as the physical game. To the point that people will give up the chance at half a million dollars within just a few days of mental adversity they were not ready for.

And fat and carbs are wilderness gold. You can have all the meat in the world and if you don't have right amount of fat you will definitely tou will absolutely starve to death.

Also if you have access to good fishing especially with a gill net use it, a lot.

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by NooneOfConsequence on Dec 29th, 2020 at 9:48am
You’re making my point there Morphy. You get a lot more fat from hunting and fishing than foraging. The ones on Alone who catch fish do seem to fare much better overall. That’s probably a good place to start if you’re working on survival skills.

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by vetryan15 on Dec 29th, 2020 at 11:32am
U also gotta be FAT before u leave to be on Alone. Thats what happened with Zack Fowler season 3 winner.  ;D

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by Morphy on Dec 29th, 2020 at 12:44pm
I don't disagree with you that fat and meat is the best but if you look on Alone it's actually quite rare to hunt and kill anything substantial. This is in line with indigenous people who were much better at hunting their land than us and still struck out "a lot". Small game is often very lean which leaves you in a similar situation. Cold water fish are a great source of survival food though.

I've only seen up to I think season 6 but I think up until that point no one had even taken a deer with their weapons and the guy that killed the moose was ridiculously skilled in that environment. He talks about his past and he was about as legit as anyone that's been on that show and more so I would bet for that particular environment.

Ya so I actually really don't disagree that much if at all with what you are getting at it's just a big ravine between what's best vs what's possible. Unless you have a rifle.

@Vetryan- yep that actually helps a lot. It's a waiting game. And every single person I've seen on that show was slowly starving to death, without exception. That's not really surviving that's just dying a little slower.

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by vetryan15 on Dec 29th, 2020 at 1:45pm
Morphy..That season 3 was just that, the girl that came in second in that season. She was already small to begin with. She she had some meat on her, she would have won,  since they pulled her out on medical

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by Morphy on Dec 29th, 2020 at 1:55pm

vetryan15 wrote on Dec 29th, 2020 at 1:45pm:
Morphy..That season 3 was just that, the girl that came in second in that season. She was already small to begin with. She she had some meat on her, she would have won,  since they pulled her out on medical


Yep I do remember a lady like that. I was pissed for her. That was BS. She should’ve won, she was really a fighter.

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by vetryan15 on Dec 29th, 2020 at 6:47pm
They really should have given a prize $ for 2nd place. I only watched on more season after that. But i moved and don't have tv

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by Rat Man on Dec 29th, 2020 at 9:22pm
   I totally agree on going into that show with some extra meat on your bones.  I would go in about forty pounds overweight.  Any heavier than that might hamper your ability to get around.  I would greatly enjoy putting on the extra forty pounds. 

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by Oxnate on Dec 30th, 2020 at 11:05am

Rat Man wrote on Dec 29th, 2020 at 9:22pm:
   I totally agree on going into that show with some extra meat on your bones.  I would go in about forty pounds overweight.  Any heavier than that might hamper your ability to get around.  I would greatly enjoy putting on the extra forty pounds. 


I want to go on that show just to lose 60 pounds.

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by Rat Man on Jan 10th, 2021 at 12:29pm

Morphy wrote on Dec 15th, 2020 at 7:43pm:

vetryan15 wrote on Dec 15th, 2020 at 6:57pm:
DONT listen toBear Grylls. Don't  drink your pee.


But...but....


And don't drink elephant dung water.

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by Kick on Jan 10th, 2021 at 1:45pm
Well what am I supposed to do with all this dung water now Ratman! You could have been quicker to tell me :D

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by Oxnate on Jan 10th, 2021 at 6:52pm

Rat Man wrote on Jan 10th, 2021 at 12:29pm:

Morphy wrote on Dec 15th, 2020 at 7:43pm:

vetryan15 wrote on Dec 15th, 2020 at 6:57pm:
DONT listen toBear Grylls. Don't  drink your pee.


But...but....


And don't drink elephant dung water.



Yeah, that was by far the worst "survival" advice I've ever seen/heard.


Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by vetryan15 on Jan 10th, 2021 at 8:29pm
Since on the subject of food and water,  yum  elephant  dung water. ;D

On a serious note,  learn how to pressure cook. Long term storage of food

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by Morphy on Jan 10th, 2021 at 10:49pm
I won't let you guys talk me out of my dreams. You hate on elephant dung water because you're living in the past.  Hey you know who hasn't had Covid? That's right, Bear Grylls.  The only rational take away from that is that Covid doesn't like dung water, especially from elephants.

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by vetryan15 on Jan 11th, 2021 at 3:39am
Idk, i think he hasnt gotten it cuz its afraid of catching something from him. But then again he might carry the cure.  ;D

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by J on Jan 11th, 2021 at 11:23am
Garlic, pumpkin/zucchini seeds, pineapple, it kills abdominal and tapeworms.

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by Morphy on Jan 11th, 2021 at 2:51pm


And that, kids, is how you crap away an hour and a half of your life.

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by Rat Man on Jan 11th, 2021 at 5:18pm
Great stuff!

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by Kilisi on Jan 12th, 2021 at 7:06am
Wouldn't it make more sense to just follow the trail of elephant poops until you find out where it's getting it's water from. Big animal must need a significant water source?

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by slingbadger on Jan 13th, 2021 at 6:49am

Oxnate wrote on Jan 10th, 2021 at 6:52pm:

Rat Man wrote on Jan 10th, 2021 at 12:29pm:

Morphy wrote on Dec 15th, 2020 at 7:43pm:

vetryan15 wrote on Dec 15th, 2020 at 6:57pm:
DONT listen toBear Grylls. Don't  drink your pee.


But...but....


And don't drink elephant dung water.



Yeah, that was by far the worst "survival" advice I've ever seen/heard.


Total fraud. He eats with the crew and motels it at night. Now he's built an amusement park so you can share his "adventures".

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by vetryan15 on Jan 13th, 2021 at 9:04am
I love how he was caught while filming in Asia, he was in a hotel in a chatroom. Instead of camped out in his little shelter

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by Slyngorm on Jan 13th, 2021 at 9:56am
While the diet of hunter gathers is a still hotly debated mainly due to availability of quality data and fluctuation depending on what environment they lived in there is absolutely no doubt that foraging has always been the source of at least a substantial amount of calories among HG peoples. The only environments where foraging was negligible were arctic areas.

The single most well studied HG people, the !kung, got 70% of their calories from gathered plants but then again they were also shorter than modern day people.
https://www.beyondveg.com/tu-j-l/raw-cooked/raw-cooked-3f.shtml

Foraging goes hand in hand with hunting because they both support the other. Whether you hunt or forage it involves going into the woods and coming back after a few hours. Combining either with agriculture on the other hand is difficult because when you scale field work up it requires intensive working hours.
To add, foraging isn't just gathering plants and mushrooms but also eggs, clams and similar. 

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by Rat Man on Jan 13th, 2021 at 12:31pm
   If you are ever in a situation where you are reduced to eating bugs avoid the brightly colored ones.  They are the ones packing something special that will almost assuredly make you sick.  The bright colors are natures way of saying, "Go on, I dare you."

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by Rat Man on Jan 13th, 2021 at 12:36pm

vetryan15 wrote on Jan 13th, 2021 at 9:04am:
I love how he was caught while filming in Asia, he was in a hotel in a chatroom. Instead of camped out in his little shelter

   The one who puts the others to shame is Les Stroud, the Survivorman.  On every other survival show there are camera crews, producers, a medical team, etc.  On Survivorman it's just Les and his cameras.  He is the real deal.
   The most fake one IMO, thought I've watched and enjoyed the show, is Dual Survival.  If anyone did some of the crap they supposedly do you'd surely die.  I remember one episode where they were filming in Kentucky.  It was rainy and cold; just above freezing. Joe couldn't make it back to camp so he decided to just hunker down for the night in some wet leaves.   I dare anyone to sleep all night in a pile of wet leaves when it's forty degrees Fahrenheit out. This is just one of countless examples.  Though there is some good  info to be had the show is full of illogical to impossible scenarios.

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by vetryan15 on Jan 13th, 2021 at 12:52pm
Oh Les is amazing. He actually just put out his complete collection on dvd, all 20 years of everything he has ever made for $150. Its on my wish list.

There was some good stuff to learn from dual survival,  but mostly for the primitive living skills  instructors. I actually sent Matt Graham some slings a couple years back. He absolutely loved em

Title: Re: One Good Survival Tip
Post by joe_meadmaker on Jan 13th, 2021 at 2:28pm

Rat Man wrote on Jan 13th, 2021 at 12:36pm:
The most fake one IMO, thought I've watched and enjoyed the show, is Dual Survival.

I liked Dual Survival at the beginning when it had Dave Canterbury.


I agree that Les is definitely at the top.  He has pretty much all of his content on YouTube now.  All of Survivorman, and new stuff.  If you haven't seen them, I recommend checking out his director's commentary episodes.  He basically watches an episode of Survivorman and tells stories about other things that were happening.

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