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Message started by Morphy on Nov 18th, 2020 at 11:46am

Title: Overshoulder Redux
Post by Morphy on Nov 18th, 2020 at 11:46am
https://youtu.be/7VR3NK7OLLg

Ok, disclaimer here. I do not write scripts for my videos so they tend to be word vomit lol. This is a video explaining a bit about the Overshoulder and how it differs from the Turkey throw. I hope it's beneficial to someone. That being said I learned something making this and had to eat crow half way through the video lol. Anyways, enjoy. (?)† ;D

Title: Re: Overshoulder Redux
Post by Morphy on Nov 18th, 2020 at 12:07pm
Just realized this was in the wrong sub forum. Oops my bad. Feel free to move it if you wish.

Title: Re: Overshoulder Redux
Post by joe_meadmaker on Nov 18th, 2020 at 8:18pm
Nice man!† Isn't that the way with so many sling videos?!† Things don't go quite according to plan.† :)

Title: Re: Overshoulder Redux
Post by Morphy on Nov 18th, 2020 at 8:28pm

joe_meadmaker wrote on Nov 18th, 2020 at 8:18pm:
Nice man!† Isn't that the way with so many sling videos?!† Things don't go quite according to plan.† :)


For sure Joe. I had a 2 parter planned. The first explaining it in perhaps too much detail but the second will be mostly throws.  I know Jaegoor may have some harsh words for this very unorthodox throw but so be it.  ;D

Title: Re: Overshoulder Redux
Post by walter on Nov 18th, 2020 at 9:40pm
LOL Nice throw Morphy   :thumb:

Title: Re: Overshoulder Redux
Post by NooneOfConsequence on Nov 18th, 2020 at 10:42pm
LOL. The best accidental advice was in the disclaimers about how uncool it looks to throw this way... In the age of COVID, this is an effective social distancing strategy for anyone who is being overcrowded by too many of the ladies. Maybe you should make it a three-part video and demo that effect in the wild ;D

Also, how you do turkey throw matters a lot!  Itís not a true turkey style unless it ends with the 90-degree bent wrist and you must cup the underside of your elbow with your non-throwing hand. Both ate absolutely crucial!

Title: Re: Overshoulder Redux
Post by Kilisi on Nov 18th, 2020 at 10:45pm

Morphy wrote on Nov 18th, 2020 at 11:46am:
Anyways, enjoy. (?)†

Nice, much like my throw, and I agree it's a plenty powerful throw, I've used it since the beginning. I just fast forwarded to the throw, didn't watch the rest ;)

Title: Re: Overshoulder Redux
Post by IronGoober on Nov 19th, 2020 at 1:50am
Thumbs up on the throw. It was a pretty good throw. Thumbs up on the no-practice video as well.

Title: Re: Overshoulder Redux
Post by Morphy on Nov 19th, 2020 at 3:45am

NooneOfConsequence wrote on Nov 18th, 2020 at 10:42pm:
LOL. The best accidental advice was in the disclaimers about how uncool it looks to throw this way... In the age of COVID, this is an effective social distancing strategy for anyone who is being overcrowded by too many of the ladies. Maybe you should make it a three-part video and demo that effect in the wild ;D

Also, how you do turkey throw matters a lot!† Itís not a true turkey style unless it ends with the 90-degree bent wrist and you must cup the underside of your elbow with your non-throwing hand. Both ate absolutely crucial!


Wait are you actually a fan NOOC? I was under the impression that you thought it was a joke. I guess I have much less arm dexterity because trying to make that throw work is pretty awkward for me.

Title: Re: Overshoulder Redux
Post by Morphy on Nov 19th, 2020 at 3:47am

a wrote on Nov 18th, 2020 at 10:45pm:

Morphy wrote on Nov 18th, 2020 at 11:46am:
Anyways, enjoy. (?)†

Nice, much like my throw, and I agree it's a plenty powerful throw, I've used it since the beginning. I just fast forwarded to the throw, didn't watch the rest ;)



No that's fine. Actually the intent yesterday morning was to go out and talk and then edit out the most pertinent parts. I definitely should have done that looking back but got lazy and clicked upload instead. Lol.

Title: Re: Overshoulder Redux
Post by Kick on Nov 19th, 2020 at 3:48am

NooneOfConsequence wrote on Nov 18th, 2020 at 10:42pm:
LOL. The best accidental advice was in the disclaimers about how uncool it looks to throw this way

This is the problem I have with Greek. I'm super accurate with it but it looks ridiculous :D

Title: Re: Overshoulder Redux
Post by Slyngorm on Nov 19th, 2020 at 3:58am
Nice!!!
Thanks for uploading. I realize that I never used the turkey style but overshoulder style.
I do it with my elbow high into the air. Wonder how that affects the technique.

Title: Re: Overshoulder Redux
Post by Kilisi on Nov 19th, 2020 at 4:00am

Kick wrote on Nov 19th, 2020 at 3:48am:
I'm super accurate with it but it looks ridiculous

The beauty of slinging is that it's mostly a solitary pastime, so usually no need to break out the psychedelic lycra tigerskin leotards and the nikes and the fancy throwing style ;)

Title: Re: Overshoulder Redux
Post by Kilisi on Nov 19th, 2020 at 4:04am

Slyngorm wrote on Nov 19th, 2020 at 3:58am:
I do it with my elbow high into the air. Wonder how that affects the technique.

I've always used that style with a high elbow, it's the most intuitive style. It's just the same as throwing a rock. I'm surprised most people didn't start with it.

Title: Re: Overshoulder Redux
Post by Slyngorm on Nov 19th, 2020 at 4:29am

a wrote on Nov 19th, 2020 at 4:04am:
It's just the same as throwing a rock.

I agree. That is exactly the feel I was aiming for when I discovered this style myself.

Title: Re: Overshoulder Redux
Post by Morphy on Nov 19th, 2020 at 6:35am
And yet when people make videos you almost never see this style used. I wonder if more people use it than I thought? I need to source decent stones to try this out more.

Title: Re: Overshoulder Redux
Post by Slyngorm on Nov 19th, 2020 at 8:08am
I would guess due to its limited range that it is seen mostly as a novelty and therefore as a joke more than anything.
Which is a shame because it is easy to become proficient at.

Title: Re: Overshoulder Redux
Post by Kilisi on Nov 19th, 2020 at 8:48am

Slyngorm wrote on Nov 19th, 2020 at 8:08am:
I would guess due to its limited range that it is seen mostly as a novelty and therefore as a joke more than anything.

I've never tried it's range, it's a powerful shot for hunting which is short range anyway. Allows you to shoot through a pretty tight vertical gap, or over anything your height.

Whats the range difference between another style?

Title: Re: Overshoulder Redux
Post by Morphy on Nov 19th, 2020 at 9:19am

Slyngorm wrote on Nov 19th, 2020 at 8:08am:
I would guess due to its limited range that it is seen mostly as a novelty and therefore as a joke more than anything.
Which is a shame because it is easy to become proficient at.


I think you are probably right.

That and I have to say I love this community but it's true we have some people I would describe more as purists and some a tad less conventional. For me I am not one to disregard anything out of hand. If someone tells me something can't work it tends to make me want to try and prove that it can. I think every style has good and bad. This one is definitely weirdly better than I remember. I plan on getting some stones today and practicing it a bit just to see if that throw was a fluke.

Title: Re: Overshoulder Redux
Post by Slyngorm on Nov 19th, 2020 at 9:49am

a wrote on Nov 19th, 2020 at 8:48am:
Whats the range difference between another style?

Honestly not sure. But that's what my experience has been that many people say.
Apache style is very similar in execution and its too often dismissed as inefficient when brought up for exactly the same reason.

Apache, turkey and overshoulder should definitely be regarded as related in terms of technique typology.




Morphy wrote on Nov 19th, 2020 at 9:19am:
I think every style has good and bad.

Agreed. Maybe it can't launch anything far but it still works with its quick execution and ease of use.

Title: Re: Overshoulder Redux
Post by Kick on Nov 19th, 2020 at 5:43pm
I'm getting more and more tempted to make a video of all the different styles. There have been some really good ones but they have always missed some styles out. I'll have to wait until next summer to do it but I think it could actually be worthwhile. I'll put up a post closer to the time asking which styles I should include. I'm pretty sure I can do all of the styles well enough to make a video.

Title: Re: Overshoulder Redux
Post by Kilisi on Nov 19th, 2020 at 5:55pm

Morphy wrote on Nov 19th, 2020 at 9:19am:
I plan on getting some stones today and practicing it a bit just to see if that throw was a fluke.

I'm interested to know how that goes. I can't throw for distance because my front yard isn't big enough. But the style feels natural and powerful, you can get your whole body behind it the way I do it. You step through and at the time of release you have your whole body throwing the rock, it's about 15 seconds into my one and only slinging vid. The pouch never actually touches me. https://youtu.be/s4tyJnX7vRk

Title: Re: Overshoulder Redux
Post by Morphy on Nov 19th, 2020 at 6:20pm

a wrote on Nov 19th, 2020 at 5:55pm:

Morphy wrote on Nov 19th, 2020 at 9:19am:
I plan on getting some stones today and practicing it a bit just to see if that throw was a fluke.
But the style feels natural and powerful, you can get your whole body behind it the way I do it.



Ever considered making a video using it? I always thought it was just a novelty but turns out i was probably wrong on that account.

The plan for the second video, besides a lot more slinging and a lot less talking, would be to compare distance vs a side arm, Apache and figure 8. My guess is it will lose to the figure 8 and side arm but match or beat the Apache. Then I'll go ahead and sling for accuracy.

Hoping to get it done tomorrow. I'll have to see how busy I am. Editing is going to take awhile though.




Title: Re: Overshoulder Redux
Post by Kilisi on Nov 19th, 2020 at 6:40pm

Morphy wrote on Nov 19th, 2020 at 6:20pm:
Ever considered making a video using it? I always thought it was just a novelty but turns out i was probably wrong on that account.

I put a vid link in my last comment above. Have fun with it :-) About half way through this vid https://youtu.be/s4tyJnX7vRk

I honestly can't see figure 8 as more powerful, but I've never got the hang of it.

Title: Re: Overshoulder Redux
Post by Morphy on Nov 19th, 2020 at 6:53pm

a wrote on Nov 19th, 2020 at 6:40pm:

Morphy wrote on Nov 19th, 2020 at 6:20pm:
Ever considered making a video using it? I always thought it was just a novelty but turns out i was probably wrong on that account.

I put a vid link in my last comment above. Have fun with it :-) About half way through this vid https://youtu.be/s4tyJnX7vRk

I honestly can't see figure 8 as more powerful, but I've never got the hang of it.


Oh nice! Ya I'm not super concerned with power because this is a niche throw like the Apache. If I can get good accuracy and similar power to the Apache that's all I need to consider it legitimate.

Title: Re: Overshoulder Redux
Post by Mersa on Nov 19th, 2020 at 7:36pm
Apache is very underrated and actually a great throw with heavy stones.
Oversholder and Turkey are very similar. I think a point that might have been overlooked is that Turkey style has a very specific sling length that makes it work well.
With turkey style if the sling is too short then you will find it uncomfortable to walk around with the sling behind your back and if the sling is too long then you will find that it is impossible to put tension on the chords. There is a sweet spot.
Over shoulder requires a more specific match in stone weight than Turkey and has the potential to drop the stone and foul the shot, interestingly both styles have the same principles in the power stroke.

Iím also very tempted to make a slinging styles video just to try showcase my understanding of the different techniques

Title: Re: Overshoulder Redux
Post by Morphy on Nov 20th, 2020 at 5:27am
Mersa- "Over shoulder requires a more specific match in stone weight than Turkey and has the potential to drop the stone and foul the shot, interestingly both styles have the same principles in the power stroke."

Now that makes sense to me. And of course I readily admit I am bias against it due to... well due to the endless amounts of BS that spewed from his keyboard. But the fact that it needs to be used with a longer sling also makes sense. I can see it working but perhaps I need someone to explain its use better. It's fairly clear at this point how I feel about it. I am ready to be persuaded and if you or NOOC can manage it more power to you.  ;D ;D

Title: Re: Overshoulder Redux
Post by Tomas on Nov 21st, 2020 at 7:33am
Hahahahaha died laughing when you made the throw and changed your mind.
It did look like it ripped through the leaves at a good clip!

Title: Re: Overshoulder Redux
Post by Morphy on Nov 21st, 2020 at 5:41pm
I mean it kind of did Tomas I'm not going to lie. You can actually watch as the little gears in my head decide I was completely wrong. But eh.  ;D

Now a smart man would've edited it. Actually let me rephrase that, a less lazy man would've edited it so no one knew my shame. Overshoulder part 2 will be much more professional. I have some good ideas for it.

Title: Re: Overshoulder Redux
Post by NooneOfConsequence on Nov 22nd, 2020 at 8:30am

Kick wrote on Nov 19th, 2020 at 5:43pm:
I'm getting more and more tempted to make a video of all the different styles. There have been some really good ones but they have always missed some styles out. I'll have to wait until next summer to do it but I think it could actually be worthwhile. I'll put up a post closer to the time asking which styles I should include. I'm pretty sure I can do all of the styles well enough to make a video.


Please do!  The lighting was terrible when I did my kung fu meteor hammer sling video, so the world needs to see it demonstrated properly :)

I also still need to demonstrate the fist-pump style where the power stroke is actually backwards and the forward motion is an aiming phase.

A lot of ďnoveltyĒ styles are actually pretty good for gaining better understanding of the sling and how it behaves with different parameters and conditions (like ammo weight vs sling length).

Title: Re: Overshoulder Redux
Post by Kick on Nov 22nd, 2020 at 9:18am
I have a fairly long list but I do really want to try and do them "all". Whether I can pull of the meteor hammer throw... We'll see...

Title: Re: Overshoulder Redux
Post by Morphy on Nov 22nd, 2020 at 11:55am
Well itís pretty clear how I feel about the Turkey throw but I sure would love to see someone who likes it give a demo on how to do it properly. Killing an actual turkey would be a bonus but not necessary.

Title: Re: Overshoulder Redux
Post by Kick on Nov 22nd, 2020 at 1:45pm
Hmmm well I don't know if I LIKE it but I can just about do it. Turkey aren't known to live in Finland. I guess the closest would be the capercaillie, but I once saw two of them fighting and I do not want to piss one of them off.

Title: Re: Overshoulder Redux
Post by Morphy on Nov 22nd, 2020 at 6:29pm

Kick wrote on Nov 22nd, 2020 at 1:45pm:
but I once saw two of them fighting and I do not want to piss one of them off.


I feel the same way about women. Dangerous creatures at the best of times.
I think NOOC and Mersa also seem to like it. Hopefully someone will make me a believer someday.

Title: Re: Overshoulder Redux
Post by Kick on Nov 23rd, 2020 at 3:32am
Let's see how the eventual video turns out :D

Title: Re: Overshoulder Redux
Post by Mersa on Nov 23rd, 2020 at 6:48am
I wouldnít say I like it but it definitely has more credibility that anything else RS said

Title: Re: Overshoulder Redux
Post by Kilisi on Nov 23rd, 2020 at 6:51am

Mersa wrote on Nov 23rd, 2020 at 6:48am:
but it definitely has more credibility that anything else RS said

Who on earth is RS and why is he/she in such disrepute here?

Title: Re: Overshoulder Redux
Post by Mersa on Nov 23rd, 2020 at 6:52am
Oh itís a long story, he was a very entertaining troll

Title: Re: Overshoulder Redux
Post by Morphy on Nov 23rd, 2020 at 7:27am
He was arguably one of my favorite people here for all the wrong reasons.† :)† Virtuous trolling to me spices up the forum and so long as someone is not being a jerk I tend to like those members that do that. I may very well be the only one that does.  That being said virtually nothing he said was remotely true hence the constant references to his posts. Apex Apoc was another though not nearly as fun.

Title: Re: Overshoulder Redux
Post by Mersa on Nov 23rd, 2020 at 8:00am
Agreed

Title: Re: Overshoulder Redux
Post by NooneOfConsequence on Nov 28th, 2020 at 12:50am
RS was a trolling genius! He knew his audience and usually took his stories to places where people wanted to believe them, so it didnít matter if they were all malarkey. The cleverest bit was how his stories inspired people to engage in asinine behavior like throwing flat rocks at the water or calling a sling a ďnoodleĒ.

RS was mostly harmless and entirely hilarious, but he did eventually take it too far by never admitting to his lies. His impact on slinging.org culture will live on, and I cannot help but wonder what crazy fabrications we might have experienced if he hadnít been booted from the forums.

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