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Message started by Slyngorm on Nov 17th, 2020 at 8:45am

Title: Assasin's slinging style?
Post by Slyngorm on Nov 17th, 2020 at 8:45am
Imagine this.

You are a young man, barely having outgrown boyhood yet, in a society were the authority is still decided by chiefdoms and powerful families.
A conflict between opposing parties has erupted. As a fit man of age you are drawn into this as well. As the son of a middle ranking chief you have plenty of time for hunting with your sling, skilled enough to take the life of a small dear with a well placed river smooth rock.
Being skilled with your sling you have been given the task of assassinating another young man from the other end of the chiefdom who's party has been seen roaming the nearby forest.
Scurrying through the undergrowth you spot him and his companions having set up camp for the evening. You sneak closer, crouching behinds bushes, sneaking under fallen logs and hiding behind trees. You already carry a rock in your sling pouch because his guards are everywhere and you are unsure when you will need to sling a rock at short notice.
Finally you are in an acceptable distance of your target. Squatting behind a bush you peak up to catch a quick look at him before jumping up and hurling your rock at him.

But how?

If you are in such a situation where you have to crawl under obstacles and hide behind objects without knowing when you suddenly have to emerge from your hiding place and throw, meaning you have to carry the sling with a loaded piece of ammunition, what is the best slinging style to go by?

Both so that you can jump and crawl around with the sling and the sling having been fitted with a rock without any chance of it falling out.


Title: Re: Assasin's slinging style
Post by Kilisi on Nov 17th, 2020 at 8:55am
Wait until they're all asleep then strangle him with your sling then sneak away without disturbing anyone.

Title: Re: Assasin's slinging style
Post by Slyngorm on Nov 17th, 2020 at 9:00am
Not a bad call.
And definitely a viable out-of-the-box creative option.

Title: Re: Assasin's slinging style
Post by Mersa on Nov 17th, 2020 at 9:28am
Turkey style obviously  ;D

Title: Re: Assasin's slinging style?
Post by joe_meadmaker on Nov 17th, 2020 at 2:25pm
For me personally, I would use a couple rotations of the sling somewhere between over my head and at my side (whatever the surroundings allowed), and then a sidearm release.† This would be my choice because it's the style I use regularly and am most comfortable with.† I'm not one to practice many different styles, so that would definitely limit my options.

A question on the proposed the situation.† You describe needing to crawl and move around without dropping the projectile in the sling.† Do you picture the slinger holding the pouch and projectile in his or her free hand?† If not, the sling would need a pouch that holds the projectile very well.† There have been discussions in the past that cupped pouches may not release a projectile as cleanly as a flat or split pouch.† Which makes sense.† The more a pouch naturally holds on to a projectile, the more it will restrict the release of it.† So a sling that can hold a projectile while the slinger is moving around a lot, and one that can be used for pinpoint accuracy during an assassination, may not be the same thing.

Title: Re: Assasin's slinging style?
Post by Kick on Nov 17th, 2020 at 2:27pm
I would use a short staff sling. If you miss, you bonk him on the head. Repeat until job done :D

Title: Re: Assasin's slinging style?
Post by Kilisi on Nov 17th, 2020 at 3:10pm
You guys are forgetting the most important part, "How to get away from bodyguards whose lives are on the line if they don't catch you."

Title: Re: Assasin's slinging style?
Post by Slyngorm on Nov 17th, 2020 at 3:12pm
@joe_meadmaker
I pictured one holding the pouch in one hand and the cords in the other. In that way I imagine that you can move pretty comfortably around especially if the sling is longer with no chance of loosing your projectile. Then you could use a Greek overhand when needed. But that also depends on which technique is the fastest to use in this position.

@Mersa
It would be difficult to move around like that though

Title: Re: Assasin's slinging style?
Post by Slyngorm on Nov 17th, 2020 at 3:18pm
@Kilisi it is no use being short sighted in such a situation (if you care for your life) but my intention with this thread was definitely the ďjumping, crawling and sneaking aroundĒ part

Title: Re: Assasin's slinging style?
Post by Kilisi on Nov 17th, 2020 at 3:34pm

Slyngorm wrote on Nov 17th, 2020 at 3:18pm:
@Kilisi it is no use being short sighted in such a situation (if you care for your life) but my intention with this thread was definitely the ďjumping, crawling and sneaking aroundĒ part

Ok, then the way I hunt would work. I hold the stone loaded while I move through obstacles. Pouch and stone gripped against my palm by my last three fingers. Then just my normal throw when the time comes. Takes negligible time to put the pouch and stone down and just encumbers one hand.

Title: Re: Assasin's slinging style?
Post by Mersa on Nov 17th, 2020 at 5:43pm
Yeah realistically I would just hold the sling in my hand until needed , and probably figure 8 with a drop. Iíd be more worried about the space for the throw than how itís held

Title: Re: Assasin's slinging style?
Post by Morphy on Nov 17th, 2020 at 6:00pm
If you are in such a situation where you have to crawl under obstacles and hide behind objects without knowing when you suddenly have to emerge from your hiding place and throw, meaning you have to carry the sling with a loaded piece of ammunition, what is the best slinging style to go by?

I used to do exactly that minus the killing people part while sling hunting and roving in Cali using the figure 8.. Lots of branches and trees. Crawling, ducking, taking shots in between trees.

Walk around with the stone in the pouch holding in your off hand. As soon as you see a target you can instantly go into the throw. Very nice for scared wabbits and other nervous woodland creatures.

Also another reason I'm not fond of throws with rotors. They are good for some situations but bad for most when it comes to actual nervous, jumpy animals. Just not realistic.

Title: Re: Assasin's slinging style?
Post by NooneOfConsequence on Nov 17th, 2020 at 6:10pm

Mersa wrote on Nov 17th, 2020 at 9:28am:
Turkey style obviously† ;D


I second turkey style.
Also... use razor glandes.  Aim for the eyes!

Title: Re: Assasin's slinging style?
Post by Mersa on Nov 17th, 2020 at 8:28pm
Obviously, always aim for the eyes

Title: Re: Assasin's slinging style?
Post by Jaegoor on Nov 17th, 2020 at 8:28pm
Then use Star Wars style.  The Force will be with you as you shoot antimatter glandes with your laser sling.  But don't forget Harry Potter's cloak.  Or maybe the ring of power will help them.

Title: Re: Assasin's slinging style?
Post by Morphy on Nov 17th, 2020 at 10:57pm
Yaíll are really trying to keep RSíes memory alive arenít you? Freaking Turkey throw lol. But youíve all forgotten the magic glandes. I donít know how itís been forgotten exactly because it was an absolute whopper of a tall tale but Iím pretty sure you can find the full account in the Book of Jesus the Noodler: Revenge of the Jerusalem Noodle. Available at Amazon and all major retailers.

Title: Re: Assasin's slinging style?
Post by Slyngorm on Nov 18th, 2020 at 6:03am
Wouldn't a turkey throw would be impractical for walking around with both your hand behind your back?


Morphy wrote on Nov 17th, 2020 at 6:00pm:
I used to do exactly that minus the killing people part while sling hunting and roving in Cali using the figure 8.. Lots of branches and trees. Crawling, ducking, taking shots in between trees.

Since you have real life expertise you are probably the authority on this question but wouldn't a greek overhand be a better option? Basically the same technique, just in a shorter timespan.

Title: Re: Assasin's slinging style?
Post by Morphy on Nov 18th, 2020 at 6:15am

Slyngorm wrote on Nov 18th, 2020 at 6:03am:
Wouldn't a turkey throw would be impractical for walking around with both your hand behind your back?


Morphy wrote on Nov 17th, 2020 at 6:00pm:
I used to do exactly that minus the killing people part while sling hunting and roving in Cali using the figure 8.. Lots of branches and trees. Crawling, ducking, taking shots in between trees.

Since you have real life expertise you are probably the authority on this question but wouldn't a greek overhand be a better option? Basically the same technique, just in a shorter timespan.



I think they are only half serious about the Turkey throw. Years before RS ever came here I was experimenting with it for that very purpose. It, like rotors, have their uses but in actual practice it's not practical in most situations. Holding the pouch behind your back with the offhand is incredibly impractical and not needed. Simply using the correct length sling with the appropriate weight stone allows you to put the sling back over your shoulder and throw without the need for doing yoga before every shot. I set up a poll to see what people would like to name this throw and the forum chose Overshoulder.

The Greek overhand is actually the dark horse of the slinging world. I've encouraged Kick to stick with it because as of yet no one has become really good with it compared to the other throws but in theory it should be an excellent throw for hunting. I think Kick has been the most successful with it that I've seen but even he seems to favor other throws. Might need to see what he has to say. My experience is while it's faster to get a shot off it's harder to be consistently accurate in comparison to the figure 8. But to be fair I never spent a great deal of time practicing it.

Title: Re: Assasin's slinging style?
Post by Slyngorm on Nov 18th, 2020 at 6:46am

Morphy wrote on Nov 18th, 2020 at 6:15am:
The Greek overhand is actually the dark horse of the slinging world. I've encouraged Kick to stick with it because as of yet no one has become really good with it compared to the other throws but in theory it should be an excellent throw for hunting. I think Kick has been the most successful with it that I've seen but even he seems to favor other throws. Might need to see what he has to say. My experience is while it's faster to get a shot off it's harder to be consistently accurate in comparison to the figure 8. But to be fair I never spent a great deal of time practicing it.

Huh, that's odd. For most of the time I've been slinging I used just that and I can't imagine anyone have problems with it.



Morphy wrote on Nov 18th, 2020 at 6:15am:
Overshoulder.

Sounds interesting but difficult to imagine. Any videos?

Title: Re: Assasin's slinging style?
Post by Kick on Nov 18th, 2020 at 7:00am
I don't know why, but Greek is my most accurate style. It was ridiculous in Mallorca because I was doing pretty terrible and then switched to Greek and did a thousand times better. Honestly, I don't actually like it that much as a throw. It might be that I haven't been using the right length sling, but I feel I don't get all that much power, however, any points in strength seem to have moved into accuracy which is... kind of annoying :D I would want to be accurate with fig 8 or helicopter or Balearic which have no power and look cooler, but no...

Title: Re: Assasin's slinging style?
Post by Morphy on Nov 18th, 2020 at 7:14am

Slyngorm wrote on Nov 18th, 2020 at 6:46am:

Morphy wrote on Nov 18th, 2020 at 6:15am:
The Greek overhand is actually the dark horse of the slinging world. I've encouraged Kick to stick with it because as of yet no one has become really good with it compared to the other throws but in theory it should be an excellent throw for hunting. I think Kick has been the most successful with it that I've seen but even he seems to favor other throws. Might need to see what he has to say. My experience is while it's faster to get a shot off it's harder to be consistently accurate in comparison to the figure 8. But to be fair I never spent a great deal of time practicing it.

Huh, that's odd. For most of the time I've been slinging I used just that and I can't imagine anyone have problems with it.



Morphy wrote on Nov 18th, 2020 at 6:15am:
Overshoulder.

Sounds interesting but difficult to imagine. Any videos?



Well everyone has their favorites. I'm actually not sure why it doesn't get as much love as some of the other throws but the two most popular styles by far seem to be Balearic and Figure 8.

I'm glad to hear you are having success. I would be lying if I said I wasn't a little jealous.  ;D

As for the Overshoulder maybe I can make a quick video in the next few days. It's quite a basic looking throw. It's not impressive looking by any means but it has its uses.

As for the the Turkey throw I have yet to see a turkey actually use it but I remain cautiously optimistic. Time will tell.

Title: Re: Assasin's slinging style?
Post by NooneOfConsequence on Nov 18th, 2020 at 7:26am
A lot of styles are defined by the windup, but the main difference between turkey style and overshoulder is actually the final position of the hands. You could perhaps argue that turkey is a more specific version of overshoulder I suppose if you really want to argue semantics. The most important thing about turkey style is that your wrist is bent at a sharp 90-degrees as the final position and your fingers and thumb all point at the target (this is for accuracy, obviously).
Also, your elbow should be tucked in tight against the body and pointing straight down at your toes. Your non-dominant hand gently cups the underside of the elbow for balance and stability. The tucked elbow allows you to throw in very tight spaces or even while lying down on the ground without sacrificing power in your shot. The power all comes from the hips anyway.

I know all about the power of turkey style because I shared a cubicle with an albino witch doctor many years ago when I was an insurance salesman. The witch doctor demonstrated the proper technique as part of a team-building exercise at the office. Sadly, we were both fired after the paper clip he used as ammo took out the eye of a photocopy salesman who walked into the break room unexpectedly.† †

Title: Re: Assasin's slinging style?
Post by NooneOfConsequence on Nov 18th, 2020 at 7:45am

Morphy wrote on Nov 17th, 2020 at 10:57pm:
Yaíll are really trying to keep RSíes memory alive arenít you? Freaking Turkey throw lol. But youíve all forgotten the magic glandes. I donít know how itís been forgotten exactly because it was an absolute whopper of a tall tale but Iím pretty sure you can find the full account in the Book of Jesus the Noodler: Revenge of the Jerusalem Noodle. Available at Amazon and all major retailers.


Donít you see Morphy? RS may be banished forever, but his spirit lives on through the lessons he taught us about how to properly troll the forum.† Now we can all appeal to† unverifiable references of slightly plausible ancient authority as a means to inspire other slinging.org members to try stupid things.

Iím sure RS would smile in satisfaction at the thought of some young slinger lying on the floor under a desk trying over and over to perfect the sequence of hip motions necessary to execute a full-power prostrate turkey throw.

Title: Re: Assasin's slinging style?
Post by Morphy on Nov 18th, 2020 at 10:10am

NooneOfConsequence wrote on Nov 18th, 2020 at 7:45am:

Morphy wrote on Nov 17th, 2020 at 10:57pm:
Yaíll are really trying to keep RSíes memory alive arenít you? Freaking Turkey throw lol. But youíve all forgotten the magic glandes. I donít know how itís been forgotten exactly because it was an absolute whopper of a tall tale but Iím pretty sure you can find the full account in the Book of Jesus the Noodler: Revenge of the Jerusalem Noodle. Available at Amazon and all major retailers.


Donít you see Morphy? RS may be banished forever, but his spirit lives on through the lessons he taught us about how to properly troll the forum.† Now we can all appeal to† unverifiable references of slightly plausible ancient authority as a means to inspire other slinging.org members to try stupid things.

Iím sure RS would smile in satisfaction at the thought of some young slinger lying on the floor under a desk trying over and over to perfect the sequence of hip motions necessary to execute a full-power prostrate turkey throw.


All of that is true but you have to admit the guy made a hell of an impact here in a short amount of time. Honestly we need a Hall of Infamy and he can be our first member. Likely I would be the next on that list lawl. Sigh.  ;D

Title: Re: Assasin's slinging style?
Post by Slyngorm on Nov 18th, 2020 at 10:35am

Morphy wrote on Nov 18th, 2020 at 7:14am:
As for the Overshoulder maybe I can make a quick video in the next few days.

Oh yes, please do.

Title: Re: Assasin's slinging style?
Post by Jaegoor on Nov 18th, 2020 at 10:57am
Conversations about pseudo scenarios with pseudo techniques.  Over and over again.  How dreary.

Title: Re: Assasin's slinging style?
Post by Bill Skinner on Nov 18th, 2020 at 11:26am
What Jaegoor said. 

His guards from that time would be watching for just exactly what you are suggesting, which is an attack with some form of ranged weapon like a sling, crossbow, bow and arrow or some sort of spring loaded device.  Or even an early gun. 

Slings are not really all that good as a covert weapon because they require too much movement and that will attract attention.  And there's the crack of the tip in there, when one gets a good throw in.

As another person who attempted hunting with them in woods, there are lots better weapons than a sling.  Even in fairly open, mature hardwood creek bottoms, there were lots of times when my sling tangled on the throw.  (Several 5 gallon buckets of clay glandes expended, no squirrels were injured in the experiment.  I did manage to scare the crap out of a rabbit once, though.) 


Title: Re: Assasin's slinging style?
Post by Bill Skinner on Nov 18th, 2020 at 11:36am
There was a former member that skipped a rock off trees and bushes and drove off a black bear once and I have done the same a couple of times with feral pigs when going to collect clay at the river.

I don't know about the other member but I know I was trying pretty hard to NOT hit the pigs, I wanted to make a racket and make them decide to go somewhere else.  I did not want to trigger an attack with a poor or more likely, a weak hit from a constrained throw. 

Also, my ammo was a rock about the size of a golf ball or a little larger, I couldn't carry many of those rocks stuffed into my pockets.    

Title: Re: Assasin's slinging style?
Post by Morphy on Nov 18th, 2020 at 1:44pm

Slyngorm wrote on Nov 18th, 2020 at 10:35am:

Morphy wrote on Nov 18th, 2020 at 7:14am:
As for the Overshoulder maybe I can make a quick video in the next few days.

Oh yes, please do.


Ok the thread is Overshoulder Redux on Other topics forum. (Ya posted it in the wrong place.)

There's a lot of info in there about it and some of it may even be right.

Title: Re: Assasin's slinging style?
Post by Kilisi on Nov 18th, 2020 at 10:33pm
I only do 2 styles of slinging, they're both crappy looking ones. One of them seems to be the overshoulder throw. Pretty much the same as throwing a rock https://youtu.be/s4tyJnX7vRk

Title: Re: Assasin's slinging style?
Post by Morphy on Nov 19th, 2020 at 9:21am

a wrote on Nov 18th, 2020 at 10:33pm:
I only do 2 styles of slinging, they're both crappy looking ones. One of them seems to be the overshoulder throw. Pretty much the same as throwing a rock https://youtu.be/s4tyJnX7vRk


Right on. I had no idea anyone was actually using this throw. I think I've seen Tint doing it many years ago and then myself. That's really good though. Maybe it will become more mainstream.

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